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Oh for the sake of a few hours :erm:

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Hope you're taking notes. :)

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Too right ;):D

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This is a very old argument. You have an opinion, someone else disagrees with you, and so that person is 'denying you your right to free speech'.

Quite apart from the fact that this is a private server upon which no legal right to free speech actually exists, you need to understand that just because you happen to believe something, that doesn't make it 100% right.

If you really are using your connection as you describe, it'll get picked up in due course and you won't be able to do it any more.

And, as I say to everyone in this situation, no-one forces you to use ntl. If it is as bad as you say, then simply find another provider. There are loads of them about.

ntl will not make any money from you if you use your connection as described, so I'm sure they'd be quite pleased if you effed off.
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Why don't you go now if 8mb uncapped is available to you? Seems stupid not to given your usage.

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if i effed off thats about what i come to expect from ntl, i originally was sold an uncapped service allowing me to "download movies like spiderman" hehehe its brilliant this ntl, no one has a clue what they are doing..
yeah i can jump ship to ukonline without any probs but ill do that when im ready not when you say im ready...but thanks for the tip.... :)
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Oh and btw 8mb is not uncapped, they unlike ntl thought about their caps and set em at 500gb a month...

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Cos i can :rofl: :rofl:

How mature :p:


Is it just you that is allowed free speech and an opinion?? I'll respect yours when you respect others that don't agree with you! :rolleyes:

Now if you can untwist your knickers for a minute......



Why, if you can get it you are not moving to them if you are so unhappy with NTL.... :rolleyes:

You have no idea what I think of NTLs "Cap" and FYI it is not my beloved. I don't agree with it at all........

If 8mb uncapped ADSL was available here I would be gone like a halfwit..... err I mean shot :D

Relax dude and stop feeling the need to fight against everything you think is not going your way:dunce:

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I've always had the best connection NTL can offer from 56k days to the new 3mb connection... i believe I'm even living in the 1st place NTL had cable modem and also 1 of the test area's (Guildford)
i have in the passed but not so much now "abused" my connection and i feel should be able to use whatever i want/need each month.. I do pay £38 a month just for the net and then you add on all the other services and it comes to about £75 a month or more with phone calls...

Will NTL seriously be cutting off people like myself and many others that pay the most each month because you download and upload ? ...
I've not once had a letter/email or phone-call from NTL in all the time i have been with them 6 years now in all but if i had to I'd leave in a minute to go with a no cap ADSL isp..
It's just i find it strange that NTL would consider doing something like this to the highest paying customers.If they had a faster connection that cost more i'd be happy to go with that as my main reason for always getting the best connection is mainly because of this fact,to make sure i don't get into any trouble..

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Whats a good no cap isp?

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I agree 100%, I would also leave in a heatbeat

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Bulldog have no cap [as yet] its 4meg adsl for under £40pm, they do a "with phone line" package as well. Bad news is, its not widely available.

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Have you ever noticed there seems to be a lot of 1 time posters that turn up throw a tizzy fit and you never see them again. ? I sometimes wonder if they are the same person setting up multiple name and logins just so they can troll ?. Must get cold under the bridge now and then :)

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All the people here that are passionate about the cap, how would capping the upload affect you?

What ever you are downloading/uploading (personally I do not care), would you accept a upload cap vs a download cap?

Is it more reasonable to you for a upload cap instead of downloaad?

I have no idea what the answers will be which is why I am asking, personally I would much prefer a cap of upload (I rarely share things apart from occasional msn avatars and answering emails etc. ). ntl probably will not implement that which makes sense (well in my world it does hehe).

The aim is to reduce stress and ignition kindly pointed out upload causes more stress if the network was tipety topety, which sortta goes with my thoughts. originally he said that there are 2 types, so it will not sort out the immediate problems but its a starter for 10, is it not?

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Some throw a tizzy fit and keep coming back:LOL: :Peaceman:

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Yes you do :p: :angel:


And that's fine and dandy we all started at 1:). I just look at the amount of 1 post wonders and have a good giggle.

Anyway sorry this was :notopic:


me -------->:Sprint:

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I never upload anything, i dont have much to upload maybe. :)
For me , you could totally cap the upload, but of course, some people actually use it.

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Oh ntl did think about their caps, that's the whole point.

You, like so many others, are labouring under the misapprehension that the only criteria an ISP needs to consider, is what the customer thinks.

Whilst that would be nice, there are other factors, such as profitability, protecting the network, and a myriad of others.

Private companies are NOT here for the good of the customer, they are here to make a profit. You're naive if you think otherwise.

I am against caps in principle, however people like you who announce they will max their connection 'just because they can' are the PRECISE and EXACT reason such caps exist in the first place. Therefore you are your own worst enemy.

The vast majority of customers who never go near the limits set don't care about your hissy tantrum, they're just glad that ultimately people like you won't be able to ruin the service for others.

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Well it wont be long till NTL upgrade me from 1.5MB to 3MB. Even tho I have posted once before on here with my head in a panic, I have thought a little more about NTL's Capping sittuation.

I am still a bit concerned on this 1GB download per day limit, due to the fact my kids download these new game demo's which are around 500MB each, plus I download alot of materials too. I know there is many opinions from you all and I have read carefully to the many posts here, one thing I am curious about is Upgrade to a tier. Is there any further info on this from NTL, I know it's like a Buisness solution account. But if we had more info on this and the price structure with how much GB allowance comes with what ever there structure is...

My total bill with NTL throughout the 3 years I have been with them is always just under the £100 per month mark. Also one thing I disagree about A friend of mine has been upgraded but he did not know & when I said to him about NTL's free upgrade he had no clue and when he checked to see if he had been upgraded he got furious cause they did not imform him. I know upon reading posts here and reading info on ntl's site that it does say NTL will contact customers of there free upgrade.

I will still truly move from NTL if there information is not clear enough and that this Upgrade to a tier information is not available when they come to upgrade me.

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You do use your upload bandwidth, you can't download anything, even a webpage, without uploading data.

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was your friend on the 750k / 1.5mb tier or 300k tier?

if 750 or 1.5 meg then there was always a usage allowance this is nothing new

however if 300k he should not have been upgraded without being informed

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Absolutely true, so long as your data magics itself to the edge of their network.

Absolutely untrue that BT Wholesale charge BT Retail 25c per GB across the BT network, which is where most of the cost is, moving several Mbps of data from an exchange with next to no demand for bandwidth previously in the middle of nowhere to a BT POP.

Check BT documents under BT Central Plus for more information on the charging scheme BT Wholesale use on BT Retail.

HOWEVER BT Wholesale are ripping off the ISPs, as you'd expect being a monopoly in so many areas. At the same time their prices are held artificially high by the regulator, which is handy for competitors.

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I was waiting for someone to point that out. ;)
Yep i realise that, i just meant files, photos, pron, linux files, the usual stuff.

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I thought you probably did realise it, I was just checking :p:

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You are being abusive. Post reported pal.

You may think that you are the law BUT YOU'RE NOT. It is you who is pedantic for the sake of it.

I wasn't abusive. I said that you had to be right. You on the other hand are abusive.

Nothing wrong with my post. Yours however could do with a lot of work. :D

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ive been looking at this thread for a while now and i have to say that while im against any form of cap thats probably because id hardly ever get to the limits, that however is the case on 300k with a 1 gig a day limit, to go up to a 1meg connection with a 3gig a month cap seems rather a step backwards in the overall usability of the connection. This is very averaging math but it looks like a 4 fold speed increase with a 100 fold cap decrease. I understand that the cap is there to maintain the service for all users but the pricing/cap structure seems a bit skewed. What i have difficulty in seeing is that someone using less speed is going to cost more and therefore need a lower cap, after all the actual speed cost how much? i would have thought it was what was done with it e.g. downloading/uploading that actually cost money. I would be very interested to see how much a maxed out 300k or even 1 meg connection cost ntl in data throughput, I know someone is going to argue that the cost to ntl is in upgrading ubr's to cope with maxed out connections but surley ntl should have thought of that before making new speeds available.

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They did.

As I've said before, the number of customers for whom caps is an issue are a tiny, tiny minority of the customer base as a whole. ntl are not going to spend a fortune upgrading the network just to please this tiny few given that they aren't profitable anyway.

Any commercial company needs to look after the overwhelming majority of its customers, not a tiny few. Prices would have to go through the roof to facilitate such an upgrade, and then nobody would pay it.

People who want to download "30 Linux distros every day" will have to find a different ISP, it's that simple.

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Sureley (can i call you Sureley?) ntl ar making the problem of people reaching the limit set by cap much greater with the 1m/3g per month limit though?

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That is why they have a much higher cap on different tiers.

There are quite a lot of people that only do a bit of browsing and emailing... 3gig/month is fine for them.

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thats fair enough , people who want to download that amount obviousley take there hobby very seriousley and ought to think very carefully about the service they need. At a personal level i shudder at the thought of a hard cap on the 1 meg service as it will be SO easy to go over very quickley
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i know i asked this a while back but does anybody have any info on the new business speeds, as in do they have a UL/DL limit? i looked on the ntl business website but the info is sparse

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As far as I know they don't but i'd get a second opinion.. Might have changed.

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As I have often said (repeatedly in this thread) - if you don't like the way NTL operate, then there ARE other ISPs who offer a similar (or better) service. That's the wonderful thing about our economy, it encourages competition.

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I have noticed that quite a few times. Sometimes when a poster is losing an argument there suddenly are a few new members suddenly pop up to back him up. i first noticed that when one member, forget who, who was a poor speller, bad at grammar and didn't know puntuation existed suddenly had two new members backing him up and they both had the same dictionary and grammatical skills. It's easy to do and untraceable if they use dial-up accounts with different ISPs for each of their logins.

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Ian - I think MI5 used the same techniques to link IRA press releases with the same person who does press releases for Sinn Fien which brings me to the question... are you retired MI5?

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The Official Secrets Act prevents me from answering that question. ;)

That's the beauty/failing of the internet, nobody knows who they are talking to on the net, what they do, why they are there and what they know.

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I have noticed (in the past - not today when I have power to do something about it) that certain posters phrase things the same way as other posters. I have also found that humans do tend to have a fairly unique way of writing (for instance, I don't phrase things the same way as Marina, who doesn't phrase things the same way as Chris T). If two posters have a very similar way of phrasing posts, then that can indicate they are the same person.

However, it's not really proof, but is an indication.

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But what could you do about it? As you say it's not really proof and impossible to ascertain from the IPs used.

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Taken from :- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4333897.stm

Cable firms ntl and Telewest are also bound to increase bandwidth at some time in the future and, according to an ntl spokesman, are in a better position than BT long term.

"BT's network is limited compared to that of cable. With all the other services coming on stream such as video on demand, the question is will 8MB be enough?" he asked.

With a 1gb a day cap it will be plenty.....

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That's the problem. It's a way of identifying a problem, but not a way of doing anything about it.

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Why would anyone bother tho, its not like this place is the be all and end all, maybe you will find that the customers are genuinely p*ssed off with the cap...and as first time posters want to register their objectons....ho hum!

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Whoever wrote that BBC article doesn't know the difference between Mb and MB.. 8MB would indeed be pretty quick :shocked:

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One possible reason to bother is to get an idea of how many people are actually opposed to the idea. It's entirely possible one person could register five accounts to complain. This would, of course, distort the figures as it would appear that 5 people are against it when in reality there is only one.

I don't think, however, that a sample as small as the membership of this forum is very representative of the bulk of NTL customers. Not that I am saying this forum has a small membership. Far from it. It's just that it only has a few thousand members, and NTL has over 1 million broadband customers.

BTW, are customers geniunly p*ssed off with the cap? I was on nthw.com when the first cap was leaked and a lot of people threatened to leave NTL, and are still here. I suspect the 3Gig per month cap will cause some customers problems, but I doubt the 1 Gig a day cap will cause problems. At the moment anyway. I am sure that NTL when they revise the speeds in future will consider upping the cap as well.

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There is a difference tho between now and then with regards to people leaving because of the cap, then it was something just slipped into the AUP one day without any warning. They said it would not be actively applied but used to throw users off abusing the system, nothing much came of it.

Now however they are saying that they are going to apply it, how rigorously they will do this no one knows. The problem is everyone kind of accepted it at the time that the ntl needed a get out clause to boot those off if the network was suffering, now however its about how much data you use.

In the days of dial up everyone limited how much they were on the phone for fears of horrendous phone bills, they moved slowly off onto broadband as it was rolled out with the promise of never having to watch the clock and it was such a massive change of use for the everyday user.. Now it seems we are returning to those days...Its such a kick in the teeth.

And they will lose users if its enforced how many no one knows.

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I wonder :rofl: :rofl:
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I must have missed that....

Where have NTL said they will apply the 1gig a day guideline apart from where your over use impacts on others??

They have said the 1m cap will be enforced later this year but AFAIK 2&3mb remain as was.

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My mum used to say that she listened to the Archers to remind herself of how much she hated it ... ;)

And it seems that there must be quite a lot of people who subscribe to NTL BB just to remind themselves how much they hate it, given the number of posters to this site who claim that NTL are crap, AcmeCom offer better, faster, uncapped BB for less money, one letter from NTL about the usage policy & they're off, etc, etc, etc, yet mysteriously remain ....:erm:

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And on the other hand, armed with the DATA and the FACTS, maybe you'll find they're not.

I have never heard such overwhelmingly positive comments coming from customers as I do at the moment. This speed upgrade has returned a real 'feel good factor' among many customers. And that's a fact too.

Sure, some people don't like caps. Come to think of it, I don't either. But even *I* am not the type of customer that makes up the overwhelming majority. As it happens, the current cap is fine for my needs on 3mb. But even if it wasn't, the company won't really care as my needs are not typical of the market they are aiming at.
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If you talk metered broadband then I agree with you, but this isn't. At least, not yet.

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My NTL download / upload for last month .. I'm going to be kicked off for sure =/

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Sorry if this has been said before. This thread is so large that I have skimmed thru it as best I can.

I do not have a problem with the idea of caps.
What I do not like is the way it has been specified in the AUP.

Instead of 1GB per day it should be a 30GB limit in any rolling 30 day period.
(your current total is of the last 30 days usage only)

That way I can do large downloads (Lunix distros/Service packs) on the day of release (likely going over 1GB per day).
This would be balanced out by normal surfing/email/avdefs for the remainder of the time (well under 1GB per day)

I would be happier if it was done like this. Using this method it is unlikely that I would exceed the limit.

Just an idea that's all.

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There will be no problem if customers use 30Gb in a 30 day period with some days over the 1Gb and others under it. At least that is until NTL supply the means for customers to monitor their usage later in the year. They can already monitor everyones usage now but haven't got a pretty package for customers to use. The 1Gb a day stems from the usage guideline posted in the AUP for normal use. Really heavy users may now start to be contacted even though they got away with it in the past so don't think it is OK to max out 24/7 on the new speeds.

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I'm sure this has all been said before, but this is a long thread and reading it would use up too much of my download quota.

If NTL cannot handle people using the service they are paying for then they should not be doubling the speed of every ones connections, If NTL are overselling their product that is NTL's problem not the customers.

1GB per day is just a joke, if I was connected to BBC News 24 live video stream or any other video stream I would use tons more than 1 GB in a day.

On the NTL home page it says the service can be used for "Superfast surfing, Streaming music & video, Larger file transfers", well thats just BS. most games are DVD size nowadays, and getting bigger by the week, video streaming and TV / video on demand are growing in popularity, 1Gb per day is nothing.

I wonder how many customers purchased the fastest broadband package and had no intention of using its power. I'm sure a few have it for the "pose" factor, but most will have the bigger packages because they do download very big files and they do stream video etc...


Does anyone know how much bandwidth is used while playing online games?
I bet a few hours of gaming uses a fair bit of bandwidth, especially if you are using live voice communication and a webcam at the same time.

I guess I best start looking at other ISP's (just incase), I'm guilty of using the product I paid for.

Pete

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Its probably been pointed out before, but the 1Gb a day is a usage guideline - nothing is set in stone that its a CAP, nobody has said you cant do 2GB or even more a day without impacting on others or getting cut off. NTL have said that they will contact excessive users IF their use impacts others - I'd of thought that - like with other ISP's - if you do your mega-bandwidth use out of peak hours you not going to be affecting others and shouldn't be affected.

Like many others, my use varies quite considerably from day to day, sometimes a few hundred megs or less, other times up to nearly 3G. I can't see this increased speed altering my use much, although time well tell if that happens in practice.

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I think they got it right.

1mb - 3gb cap enforced, maybe a little more, and the upper tiers 'guideline capped'.

With a large proportion on 300k i can see why the left them with a choice, to upgrade to capped or stay down but i think in the long run, they should get rid/cap the 300k service, i'm sure alot of the 'heavy' users on that tier will shift themselves up if so.

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I just downloaded 1GB of data in just 64 minutes, I think 64 minutes of maximum usage per day is simply a joke for the price.

When I joined NTL it worked out cheaper than having a BT phone line and an internet package from another ISP. (It worked out the TV was a nice bonus thrown in for Free)

I can now get those services cheaper from other suppliers and not have to watch my every move and byte count.

BT £10.50
2M ADSL unmetered £34 (Top rated ISP)

Pete

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NTL are not overselling the service. They are selling a service that meets the requirements of the vast majority of their customers. Everything that you talk about can be done on a NTL connection with the usage limits that they have set. The majority of customers though don't want to be doing these things 24/7 every single day or even for hours on end every day. They are doubling the speeds to enhance the experience for the majority of users and allow them to do what they want to do faster. Most users will not use very much more bandwidth with the increased speeds and may even use the same.

The NTL broadband packages are residential packages for normal residential use. If you want more than the usage allowances then you will ultimately have to look for an ISP that has a package to suit yout needs.

Every ISP has to look at the financial side of things at some point. Initially they may offer packages and allow usage that means they are running at a loss in the interest of building up market share. Eventually there comes a point where they have to look at factors other than market share. Connection speeds have got to increase for several reasons but the problem is that if heavy users simply take advantage of the extra speed to significantly increase their bandwidth consumption then something has to give. Bandwidth isn't an infinite free commodity and the infrastructure has places where congestion can soon occur with inconsiderate use. The experience of the majority of users has to be the deciding factor in what is done and eliminating drains on the profitabilty of the service is a must to ensure pricing is set at a reasonable level.
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Obviously the wrong package for you then. Bye, enjoy your ADSL :wavey:

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Get real, LOL, the people with faster upgraded packages upgraded to bigger and faster packages because they "needed" the speed and they "wanted" the extra bandwidth. How many customers do you think have upgraded to a really fast internet connection and only use it for light surfing and reading email. (next to none) And how many of the people with 3mb packages do think are going to be happy using their connection for just 64 minutes per day LOL especially when the TV is covered with adverts for unmetered/unlimited connections.

Anyone that actually uses their internet connection for anything other than light surfing / email is going to break the barriers on a regular basis.

Anyone with a home network (parents + kids) is going to break the barriers on a very regular basis

Any normal teenager is going to break the barriers on a very regular basis.

So who is left? A dozen old age pensioners (no offence to the old intended) who would be better off with 56kb modems and I guess you.

I'm sure all 13 of you will be enough to keep NTL from going bankrupt.

Pete

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Patchwork, it's a soft cap, you can download as much as you want.

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:LOL: You have got the surfing habits of everyone all worked out then? Tell me, how is it that the average bandwidth usage on broadband in the UK is around 7Gb per month? Remove the top couple of percent of heavy users and that average is nearer to 4Gb per month.

Most users don't try to max out their connections at all. Your usage is not the norm.

Some people have the fastest connections for similar reasons that they have the fastest cars. Some have the fastest connection because they can afford it and prefer the odd 20 minute download they rarely do to take only 5 minutes if they can get the sppeed to do it. Which normal user maxes out their 3Mb connection anyway.

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Hi Ian. Where do you get this information from?

"You have got the surfing habits of everyone all worked out then? Tell me, how is it that the average bandwidth usage on broadband in the UK is around 7Gb per month? Remove the top couple of percent of heavy users and that average is nearer to 4Gb per month."

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Patchwork your wasting your time arguing the cap issue with Ian@huth. Too him caps are wonderful and NTL can do no wrong capping connections. If NTL announced a 0.5GB cap he'd still argue its proper and wouldn't affect people. After all they only need to stop browsing the web to fall under the cap. His favourite comment is always along the lines of "Users with faster connections have them to download the odd large file without waiting not because they want to download large amounts of data". All the users I know with top teir connections, be they ADSL of NTL CM, have them for downloading large amounts and none have them for faster downloads of the odd large file. But Ian will no doubt argue this point and refer the wonderful all encompassing data that he has access to that states I'm talking complete ******** and then return to the same old retoric that NTL caps are wonderful and are being implemented for the benefit of users not shareholders.

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That might be true today but possibly not tomorrow, if people just roll over and accept it you will find its not that long until its a hard limit. Then what? What comes after that? Pay per meg bandwidth charges? Pay per minute?

If people just accept massive reductions in service for the same price then they will oversell as much as possible and keep changing the limits so they can make as much profit as possible out of the same equipment.

We will also find other compainies follow suit, and before you know it we have the highest internet charges in the world and get the worst service.


Pete

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:LOL: Why would that be any different from now :disturbd:

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It's been reported all over the place but I'm not searching for where I have seen it at this time of night (morning). Have you read Ignitions post at http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=144 .

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Absolutely patchwork I agree with you 100%.

DVS, it's a little hard I agree, just make sure you don't get accused of arguing that white is black!

Ian, where do you get your figures from?

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Yes I think your correct.

Pete

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Christ Ian I think you might want to read the link you've given me!

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I would prefer that there were no caps at all but there are due to the usage of a minority of customers.
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I have, what's wrong with it? :confused:

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So is it 7Gb dropping to 4Gb or 6GB dropping to 5GB? Or are you talking out of your arse?

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The figures may not be exactly the same but whichever you take blows holes in the theories of usage some are claiming. Both sets of figures are in the same ballpark. Look at the fact that less than 5% of users consume over half the bandwidth and it tells you why caps are needed.

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I live in the middle of a big city and I've never noticed any slow downs, if there really is a conjestion problem then I would have see it by now.

Personally I think its more about off network bandwidth charges than conjestion, and they only have themselves to blame in that department.

Pete

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Where does the fact that less than 5% of users consume >50% of bandwidth come from?

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You may not have seen any congestion but that doesn't mean there is none. NTL can look at UBR usage and load balance or add further UBRs before usage starts to suffer too much. Upgrades cost money though and if you are a little short on the old cash you can implement usage restrictions to delay the need for upgrades. With increased speeds come increased risk of congestion so NTL, in common with many ISPs, try to reel in the heavy users with their excessive demands on the infrastructure.
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Many sources all over the place. Try a little Googling. In that post of Ignitions he said that 5% of users consumed 65% of bandwidth. Many reports put it at around 60%. Ignition will know the facts about usage on NTL exactly.

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I've just read Ignition's post and this is what he says:

"The average usage for a broadband user in the UK is 6GB (This includes 'heavier' users).

5% of users are responsible for 65% of usage.

Remove that and the average drops below 5GB."

Hmmm?





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Why not just stick to a guideline and just punish the most abusive users.

There's people who don't take the full advantage of broadband.

There's people like you and me who use it and may go over the limit sometimes. 60Gb a month, so what???

Then there's those who really abuse it. If you downloaded solidly for a month at 3Mb, how much would you have downloaded. Tons, I know.

Also compare that to how much you could download in a month at 1Mb. Only a third than you would at 3Mb.

So why is 1Mb = 3Gb a month and 3Mb = 30Gb a month???

Forgive me if this doesn't make sense. it's late.....

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I am getting fed up with this moaning in this forum against each other, but hey today I downloaded a total of 10.72GB of materials. I don't care what the oposition say, I pay for what I got with NTL and that is fine.

in sweden and america they have much more speed on download and uploads with unlimited downloads like NTL was until they introduced the capping rubbish.

So I am with the PatchWork on his post which I was wanting to say something along those lines sometime ago, tho I thought I would have been banned from this forum for my truthful comments..

I will be happy to stay with NTL with their new 3MB broadband, if they really with draw there cap. For those who have got 1.5GB like me will definately use what they can to get whatever or do whatever on the net, thats why we pay for this service and it did say unlimited. So stop this rubbish and having ago and people like me. OK let me say this I myself is a DJ & Graphic designer, I run a server and a DJ community and I make stuff for my clients and their websites too. My kids download the new game demos which are around 500MB each, and they play online gaming on the online servers too. plus my wife does stuff too with her computer..

I have 5 computers on a network at the mo, really I don't give damn what others say I am doing wrong with my network and using ntl broadband 24/7, 2 of my computer are never of the net, they are constanly on. Hey that what I pay for. After me and my adult friends have done some research we do think NTL have no idea on this capping idea they came up with. Also from another source within NTL in wales people who constanly use the bandwidth at maximum performance do not effect other broadband customers. If NTL could not handle all these consumers on the net they would have not introduced more free upgrades on broadband speed. Also remember NTL did go bankrupt at one time, even tho they got financial banking thats why they offered these amazing packages to get the money in fast so they could also pay off there debts and upgrade the technology with the profits thery earned. Also Telewest is also owned by NTL but Telewest has more new and better technology that NTL itself & this is a fact according to NTL...

People who complain at people like me and others cause we use and download alot of materials legal or not constantly is not a big issue, cause we have paid for an unlimeted service of course we gonna take that opportunity..

http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/ will also keep there broadband unlimited, even tho they use Telewest technology and services. I truly think this capping issue with NTL is a loadof cobs wollop. Also if I remember rightly waht PatchWork said people who have 1.5MB or 3MB aren't just gonna surf the net and check there emails and chat on instant messengers only. Cause that is surely redicoulous because that is also a waste of money for them too.

Also people on this forum who are with NTL on this capping, I don't understand why ur posting on this topic, cause surely I thought this topic was for people who were against the capping and wanted to freely discuss this with no predujice. But until PatchWork opened his mouth, I am sure others felt threatened and did not really say what was on their mind because some of u/us were jumping down some of us for our freedom of speech...

I am totally 100% against NTL capping, yes I know if i don't like it I can bloody well lump it. But I am not sure what I will do yet if I will stick with NTL with there new 3MB or go with http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/. Cause I look at value for money and what can cater for me in a reliable service. I have always supported NTL in the past as they have been extremely good to me and taken alot of money out of me in 3 years. But until they tryed to sneak this capping rubbish by us I am loosing faith in NTL itself...

So basically stop having a go at some of the guys its none of our business if they do or not download copyrighted stuff, they still have the right to their say as they have spent money on a service, and they are concerned what this holds for us now for many of us...

I thought really this forum was ment to be a nice pleaent discussion on NTL changes, but no I keep seeing in certaian replies people slagging or being unjustified to a fellow neighbour, this is not on, we all use NTL well the most of us and we just want our say or ideas without being degraded or pounced on cause of what we do or may do on the net 24/7.....

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I see your point there....if the caps were imposed to stop the network from being congested, why speed it up? Why speed 300k users up to 1Mb if they could only download about 100Mb a day. That would take about 13 mins to download a 100Mb Trailer for example, then you have to stop using the internet. Crazy.

I would rather be no cap. The whole reason I fell in love with broadband in the first place was because it was fast, unmetered and always on. I could do what the hell I liked without watching my back. These caps are taking the fun out of broadband.

I also think that 3Mb is not as good value as the 2Mb service. The gains are getting less and less benefitial over the silver service. The Gold service used to be twice as fast as the silver service and the silver service 4 times faster than the bronze service.

How many people do you reckon will move down to the 2Mb service to save £13 a month and see little difference. Even the upload speed is only 100k less.

I think they've lost the plot.

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Well, I can safely say that if you download 10gb EVERY day, the choice about whether to stay with ntl won't be yours......

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I'm very pleased with NTL. Its a good service at a good price. Wanadoo have a bit of catching up to do - they only offer 1Mb at the minute and after tasting 2Mb for the last week I wouldn't want that now.
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I totally agree with flux, I dont give a crap anymore, I'm just going to download what I want, and i'll wait and see what those *******s have to say. No-one else in my area has the boradband service anyway!

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The only thing i can't see clearly, is what action they will actually take. Not getting at you btw, it just says they will write to people asking them to adjust their habits. So assume someone does'nt?
Then what? Is it a speed restriction? A bad boy pipe? Or do you just get booted off?
I have read the new t+c, its just not ultra specific.

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Then I hope you get chucked off.

Can you not see it's people like you who cause caps to be brought in in the first place? Then you stand around whining about it, clearly oblivious to the fact that it's entirely your own fault.
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The email service is a real classic.
It's worth the subscription fee on it's own.
Another winner from NTL.
Personally, I think the subscription fee is far too low;
with the excellent service that NTL provide,
it should be at least 500 pounds!
I would willingly sell my house and all its contents to help NTL!

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:tu: :tu: :tu: I just posted this in another thread didnt see this one (my bad) I was strictly anti capping, but since NTL upgrade the speeds my experience and attitude have changed immensely, I enjoy online gaming especially 1 particular US server. This has now become a joke due to the Ping being through the roof, I cannot beleive this is not tied into the speed upgrades and people insisting on downloading the entire internet by tea time. My ping was always stable untill the upgrades. This has made me realise that Capping should be brought in and bloody soon. If my internet and gaming experience is lowered because people are hammering ther connections then why should i pay the same as the next person when i cannot use it the same way as i used to. So i appologise if i offended anyone in previous threads over my anti cap stance and also if this is a duplicate in another thread. if enforcing the cap means that i get what i amn paying for then the sooner the better. :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

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i agree that there should be a cap as people could use it excessivly, but i think having a 1Gb cap on a 3MB line is a bit daft, as you can get that gig done easily with that speed.

its the same cap on the 2MB line too which i thinks a bit daft

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Can i just point out that once your "ping" leaves the NTL network [and to the USA its going to have to ;)] its not their responsibilty.
Same as any other isp, if its on their network, and its bad, then yes something might be impacting on it.
A faster connection has never often meant a better, or a more stable ping on most isps.

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Agreed i have had this problem before long time ago and it was oversubscription, NTL sorted that one out and hopefully this will be the same. And to the other poster i do agree 1 gig cap is a bit on the short side for a 3mb connection and it should be more reasonable, But if they were to make it 10 gig a day someone would still complain it was not enough. What in gods name people find to download is beyond me, when i say download i mean what is legally available for download. There are only a certain amount of linux isos to go through and game demos, how many of them come out every day.;) ;) ;) ;)

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But is your house worth 500 pounds??:dozey:

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Well monitoring my downloads on netmeter at the moment to see where I'll be in regards to the upgrade from 300k and it predicts that in the next month I could be over 3GB.Now id I'm getting to that on 300k what will happen if I do decide to upgrade?And no I don't download hundreds of films just software for my art software...

I suspect that I will have to see what happens over two months before deciding...

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I can bet you will be one of many, i'm not in favour of any cap, however the ones in place are at the least , damn stingy, and a greater allowance could have avoided all the present [and up and coming] resentment .
And if you read this thread through, it seems no amount of common sense would make those in charge of ntl, review this ludicrous situation or alter it.

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Actually my house value has tripled in the last 3 years and I paid cash for it in the first place. LOL - no mortgage - what about you?

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Big Issue anyone :bigcry:

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Of course now that it's tripled it's definately worth more than £500 if you dont count depreciation and the cost of a new calor gas bottle. Oh and I'll have to repair the awning and pay ground rent to the caravan park owners - LOL only joking.

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Someone tell NTL that their CAPs are too small :( and we're all goin to Wanadoo :angel:

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Good idea! Now where is the address for the Chairman of NTL?

However there is one snag with that.The members of Cable Forum are just a drop in the bucket that represents all of NTL customers,most of whom have no idea about this offer and all the other issues involved.Maybe we should be telling the OTHER customers of NTL instead?Then instead of a tiny minority the majority of NTL customers might be persuaded to tell NTL their CAP is too small.

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If your moving to Wanadoo you wanadoo a little thinking on cost Link as they seem to be singing from the same script regarding caps plus they are more expensive and you will have to have a BT line

I think the 1Mb connection is a little tight and should be increased, but thatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s my personal opinion. The 367Gb allocated to my account per year, I will wait and see if it causes me problems with NTL asking me to amend the bandwidth used with my little network of three computers that have access to the Internet.

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If you wanna go to wannadoo best read this thread here and these here I will pass on moving to wannadoo :tu: the phrase from the frying pan to the fire comes to mind

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If capping is brought in you will be thrown off too, online gaming uses alot of bandwidth.

Pete

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Read it - it seems like Wanadoo is no worse than NTL ;) Having said that I'm very pleased with my NTL 2Mb and I don't mind listening to that lovely Pan Pipe music for half an hour or so when I ring NTL customer services. Lets face it - if we all did that we wouldn't have to download so many MP3's - just ring NTL and listen to theirs. ;) That would save on the downloads and keep us from goin over the cap limit!!! :)

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My online gaming doesnt use that much bandwidth i have been monitoring it since the capping was talked about. Now i used to be a serious power user and i do mean serious. I never really thought about the impact my usage was having on other users. I used to download a lot of dvd stuff from usenet so 20 gig in just over a day and a half was nothing to me. But as i have stated i have had a change of heart over this one and if my activities cause NTL to contact me then i will take action to alter my usage. I fail to see how people can legaaly download 10 gig+ a day and the last time i looked it did not state in the NTL AUP that they condone the downloading of illegal materials. I am not saying that is what everyone is doing but to pull off over 10 gig a day is defintely suspect i know i used to do it.

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Do you have to keep spamming your website in every post?

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I installed PRTG to monitor Useage at my CM level as I'm on a router and BW-Meter etc would give me false readings. Now my sum total of what I did tonight was bascially browse some web sites, had a game of MOHAA + CoD:UO, all that time was chatting on Skype and grabbed a 155MB demo. Now looking at the numbers I have used 482Megs??? (counting both Downloads and Uploads) - I am not sure how / If ntl will count your Useage when/if they bring in a harder cap later this year, but goes to show you really that general web chatter and useage is already half way there, this not been a full day monitoring.

Now Reading up on BT, may 2005 they bring in a Hard cap, have a web site to check how much you have used and email you when you hit 75% useage. I wonder if NTL will follow suit (as they seem to) and also do this at about the same time??

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To be fair you do SPAM ntl's products in almost every one of your posts. :angel: