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Re: The energy crisis

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36143195)

I believe that, to stop them holding onto people's money interest free, the rules were changed a few years ago to require them to do this (once a year I think).

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Does it work out more expensive doing it this way though?

I know that you can have Sky on a rolling monthly contract instead of entering into a contract, but it does work out more expensive.

I understand the refund just about, but why put up standing order based on using twice the power of this/last year. As I have over paid every year for the last 4 years is it really necessary ?

Re: The energy crisis

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36143188)

Bulb has just rebated my account.

Didnt get chance to check yesterday, but yes, I was credited £67 on the 5th.

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Folks are in for a bit of a shock when Govt. stop crediting, and wonder why their energy bill has just doubled....

Re: The energy crisis

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36143287)

I understand the refund just about, but why put up standing order based on using twice the power of this/last year. As I have over paid every year for the last 4 years is it really necessary ?

There's two things determining your bill. The cost of energy and the standing charge and your usage. If any of these have increased then your direct debit is likely to rise as well.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36143301)

Folks are in for a bit of a shock when Govt. stop crediting, and wonder why their energy bill has just doubled....

Doubled ? I think not.

I really wish £67 a month was 50% of my bills, sadly, its not.

The scheme reportedly compares usage against a customer's usual demand and pays £3 for every unit or kilowatt hour (kWh) saved.

What is the definition exactly of customer's usual demand ?

Yesterday? Last week? Last month average? All Mondays of the year?

I have made 59p so far by participating in these so called saving days.

And all electrical intensive tasks of mine (washing machines, dishwashers etc ) were on 4-6 on all non saving days.

This is BS of the highest order.

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We have been doing it and over the last 3 sessions I have been credited with £7.97. This time I doubt if we will save much as we don't normally use much electricty between 5-6pm.

According to my supplier, Octopus,

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First, we need to work out your ‘normal energy use’ at the time of each Saving Session - so we can then compare it to what you use during the Session to work out your saving. There’s a strict formula we have to follow set by the National Grid.

We first look at your meter readings from the same time as the Session over the past 10 weekdays (excluding any days with a Saving Session). We use those to find the average amount of electricity you typically use then.

One final step: we have to adjust for your energy use on the day of the Session. This adjustment is a check to make sure you actually used some power at other times that day. It works by weighting your ‘normal energy use’ figure based on your readings from earlier in the day. If you use energy as normal, your normal use figure should stay the same.

But if, say, you switch off every plug on the morning of the Session and don’t get back til after its finished, your readings for the day of the Session will be unusually low, bringing your normal energy use down.

So even though your energy use during the Session is much lower than what you used at that time in the past 10 days, it’s not really lower than the energy you used during the day.

This means that some people who prepare for their Saving Session by switching off hours in advance might end up earning slightly less during their Sessions. We can’t change how we calculate this (it’s a requirement to be part of the grid’s project!) But, we have asked National Grid to consider changing the in-day adjustment calculation so it doesn’t negatively impact the Savers that prepare further in advance.

+The money customers can earn in this project is paid by National Grid – it’s a reward for helping to keep the energy grid in balance by switching off at the busiest times. Which makes sense: when energy demand is high, it’s much cheaper to pay people to use a bit less power than it is to pay fossil fuel generators to switch on at short notice!

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Well it's a gigantic load of toss anyway, I was working until 6 so what the actual **** i could turn off really beats me. Plus it's not really that cold here tonight, only supposed to go down to about -1 or -2, which is warmer than it has been or was a few weeks ago.

If this is a boiling frog then they're hoping people fall for it again...

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Only applies if you have a smart meter anyway, so only half the UK.

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Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36144270)

It's not about temperature, it's about the amount of wind power available. People returning home and putting the kettle on at the same time as any contribution from solar power declines.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36144272)

Only applies if you have a smart meter anyway, so only half the UK.

And set to report hourly figures, not daily.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36144273)

It's not about temperature, it's about the amount of wind power available.

Perhaps not, but an interesting aspect of our energy issues and especially our dash for wind as a key renewable resource is that in the UK, our lowest temperatures tend to be associated with reduced wind speed. This is because the low pressure systems that give us our best wind come from the west or the southwest across the Atlantic and so are relatively warm. Polar maritime and polar continental air masses are generally dragged over the UK by high pressure systems which tend to have lower wind speeds.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36144277)

The complaint by nffc was that it's warmer than it was a few weeks ago, so why the threat of blackouts.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36144280)

The complaint by nffc was that it's warmer than it was a few weeks ago, so why the threat of blackouts.

Yes, and the correlation between the energy generation and colder weather meaning less wind/solar energy is sensible.

But there's also the obvious one that if it's colder people will be staying in more and also will be using more energy to heat their homes, which won't all be obtained from gas. And of course more gas being used to heat their homes might lead to less being available to make electricity, if that's the shortage.

I still think this is another boiling frog and they'll be doing it more and more then charging more for electricity in that period... there's much further they can take this too.

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Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36144283)

I still think this is another boiling frog .

It's an interesting one. Not sure how much energy boiling frogs produces?
It could indeed be the solution, but bad news for frogs.

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:tu:

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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36144267)