Cable Forum - Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

I'm getting right peed off at being told I didn't vote for a hard Brexit.

Well I did and would do it every-time, if we stay in the trade& customs part we will still be under their thumb. so we MUST do nothing but a hard Brexit

You didn't vote for a hard Brexit David, no one did, the term hadn't been made up when we voted. I'll be nice and leave out the bit where you thought voting out meant we left the echr though and suggest instead of worrying about hard, soft or red white and blue whatevers we just concentrate on getting the best deal we can for ourselves and if that requires a bit of compromise here and there so be it imo

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35904255)

A Swiss perspective on where we are now:

(Brexiteers, best look away now)

THE LAUGHING STOCK OF EUROPE

They should laugh, not just at us but at the whole EU, they got the best deal going and then never signed up!!

RizzyKing

22-06-2017 20:41

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Well given what the term "hard brexit" has come to mean i think you'll find most voted for exactly that an end to our membership of the EU and any and all of it's institutions. That's why i voted leave and it's why many i know voted leave no official connection to the EU anymore then we have we other sovereign states. Remain supporters can bang on all they want about the last election being a vote against a hard brexit doesn't make it true. Yes the UK is a joke in the eyes of many apart from the swiss but then so are france and germany so we are not alone on that front.

Damien

22-06-2017 21:41

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The attitude from France seems to be annoyance rather than mockery. They want us to get on and leave if we're doing so since it's now a year since the vote. So Brexit supporters will find more in common with them they might otherwise think!

Also with the success of pro-European politicians such as Macron, the current assumption Merkel will win re-election in September and the recovery of the Eurozone economies the EU is probably feeling more secure so a 'punishment' in the deal is probably less likely. They obviously won't give us better terms than single-market access, and I think they'll make strong plays to take some industries (Berlin is going in strong on technology start-ups for example), they will likely give tariff-free access IMO.

Mick	22-06-2017 21:44

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35904410)

Remain supporters can bang on all they want about the last election being a vote against a hard brexit doesn't make it true. Yes the UK is a joke in the eyes of many apart from the swiss but then so are france and germany so we are not alone on that front.

If everyone in other countries started worrying what others in another country were saying about them, I think we would be in a long standing never ending World War.

I know I certainly couldn't give a flying duck, what some Swiss person thinks and it does not cause me to regret my vote choice whatsoever.

Osem	22-06-2017 22:10

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35904414)

The attitude from France seems to be annoyance rather than mockery. They want us to get on and leave if we're doing so since it's now a year since the vote. So Brexit supporters will find more in common with them they might otherwise think!

The main thing stopping us doing that is the EU's own internal mechanisms which are deliberately complicated and onerous in order to prevent nations just leaving.

Damien

22-06-2017 22:14

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35904420)

The only thing stopping us doing that is the EU's own internal mechanisms which are deliberately complicated and onerous in order to prevent nations just leaving.

Well it's taken as a while to issue Article 50 but I think the election result annoyed them more than anything else.

Osem	22-06-2017 22:20

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35904421)

Well it's taken as a while to issue Article 50 but I think the election result annoyed them more than anything else.

Tough on them. Plenty of what they do is highly annoying which is what led to Brexit in the first place. ;)

jonbxx

23-06-2017 09:12

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35904410)

This definition of Hard Brexit would include the stopping of (off the top of my head);

Assurance of aircraft safety and freedom to fly across Europe (SES agreement)
Sharing of criminal data (Europol)
Harmonisation of drug regulation allowing free import/export of medicines (EMA)
Harmonisation of food safety standards allowing free import/export of food (EFSA)

Here's a more complete list - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenci...European_Union

Countries like Switzerland, Norway and Iceland are members of many of these EU institutions quite happily but the definition of hard brexit suggests we would leave. I don't get why we would be better off doing this.

Mr K	23-06-2017 09:27

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35904452)

You're trying to talk common sense jonbxx, they'll have none of it on here, you've been warned ! ;)

An example is when recently the EU intervened to stop a drugs company ripping us off for cancer drugs. But no, they're all evil faceless bureaucrats...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39933916

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The European Commission has launched an investigation into claims that drug company Aspen Pharma excessively increased prices of five life-saving cancer medicines.
The drugs include chlorambucil and busulfan - used to treat leukaemia.
The Commission said it was looking at claims that Aspen imposed "very significant and unjustified" price hikes.
The company confirmed an investigation was under way.
South African company Aspen bought the rights to these from British company GlaxoSmithKline, after the patents expired.
According to figures reported in the Times, the price of the leukaemia medicine busulfan increased from £5.20 to £69.02 per pack in England and Wales after this deal.

papa smurf

23-06-2017 09:34

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is it groundhog day again

jonbxx

23-06-2017 09:37

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35904461)

is it groundhog day again

It does go round in circles, I agree! However, I have yet to see any compelling evidence that we would be safer and more successful not being a member of these institutions. Even if we leave the EU, membership of many of these institutes is surely a good thing? If yes, then a hard brexit must be off the table

papa smurf

23-06-2017 09:53

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35904463)

there is no hard soft or fluffy there is just leave the EU, that's what won the vote in the remain in the EU or leave the EU referendum .

Mick	23-06-2017 10:44

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35904461)

is it groundhog day again

So true and it's tiring watching the same repeated negative drivel from certain individual(s).

Think I will just leave this here. ;)

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35904463)

You put across a more reasonble assertion for why remaining a member of those institutions. But I consider a hard brexit in the form of leaving the Brussels realm of authority and one where we can control our borders to stop unskilled and criminal elements of the EU, i.e the riff raff coming here.

jonbxx

23-06-2017 10:45

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So no answers then...