Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

LONDON — The British government confirmed plans to charge EU citizens and other foreign nationals to visit, as part of a wider reform aimed at making the border more secure.

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The ETA is expected to come into force by 2025, but according to Salma Shah, a former special adviser to Sajid Javid when he was home secretary, “we are probably going to see a lot more ... changes before we see a real settled immigration pattern and practicalities around how we deliver the immigration system.”

RichardCoulter

04-08-2021 15:47

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That link I posted says thay it's from the of 2022??

Apparently, the charge isn't for a visa, (so I'm assuming that we must have agreed a reciprocal agreement with them), but is a charge for a scheme that entitles us to not to have to pay for a visa!?

jonbxx

04-08-2021 15:49

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36088463)

The European Commission has offered free travel for UK travellers who go to EU countries for short stays, as long as the UK agrees to do the same for EU nationals. If the UK accepts this offer, it will still be necessary to complete the ETIAS application though there would not be a fee.

The European Commission has said the EU’s offer was “entirely conditional upon the UK also granting reciprocal and non-discriminatory visa-free travel for all EU member states.”

The UK confirmed it was going to charge EU citizens back in May - https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-c...itizens-visit/ with confirmation here - https://www.etauk.uk/

I have to say, €7 is a bargain compared to an ESTA for the US at $14. Mine always seems to run out just before I need to travel...

1andrew1

04-08-2021 16:06

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36088475)

Aaah i see, so we're back to the we don't want to be part of your organisation BUT we do want to retain the same benefits that we had whilst being a member?

I'm afraid he's right, Seph. You can't leave the golf club but still expect to play on its greens at no cost.

BenMcr

04-08-2021 16:16

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36088487)

Apparently, the charge isn't for a visa, (so I'm assuming that we must have agreed a reciprocal agreement with them), but is a charge for a scheme that entitles us to not to have to pay for a visa!?

Yes, same as the US and Canada have for us today.

Sephiroth

04-08-2021 18:15

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36088494)

I'm afraid he's right, Seph. You can't leave the golf club but still expect to play on its greens at no cost.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36088475)

Aaah i see, so we're back to the we don't want to be part of your organisation BUT we do want to retain the same benefits that we had whilst being a member?

Are you that delusional ???

Don't be ridiculous. You suggested that my attitude meant that I wouldn't be buying anything from the US. Whereas I was making the point that EU would try and hurt us at every opportunity.

mrmistoffelees

04-08-2021 19:44

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36088522)

Leaving the EU and leaving a golf club have no parallels.
For example, you can leave a golf club without negotiating a withdrawal agreement; you can leave a golf club without setting up an NI Protocol.

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Don't be ridiculous. You suggested that my attitude meant that I wouldn't be buying anything from the US. Whereas I was making the point that EU would try and hurt us at every opportunity.

If the majority of the British population follow the behaviour of your local
Waitrose then the only thing hurting will be EU due to a lack of tourists.

It’s what £8 ? Talk about making a mountain of a molehill

Sephiroth

04-08-2021 19:54

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36088542)

Now you're being silly. The cost of the EU visa (if it goes ahead) never figured in my assessment. I merely emphasised that if the EU can hurt the UK, it will with a smirk.

mrmistoffelees

04-08-2021 19:56

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36088544)

Now you're being silly. The cost of the EU visa (if it goes ahead) never figured in my assessment. I merely emphasised that if the EU can hurt the UK, it will with a smirk.

How exactly is it hurting the U.K. ?

Sephiroth

04-08-2021 20:32

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36088545)

How exactly is it hurting the U.K. ?

I'll bring you back to what I said in response to RC's post reporting that the EU were going to slap a visa fee on UK citizens:

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As I've regularly said, the EC hates the UK for leaving their poxy "union". They'll say that all third-countries will be equally treated, but the EC will be laughing up their sleeves.

spiderplant

04-08-2021 20:44

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36088489)

I have to say, €7 is a bargain compared to an ESTA for the US at $14.

And even more so compared with this...
https://www.gov.uk/get-electronic-visa-waiver

mrmistoffelees

04-08-2021 20:54

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36088549)

I'll bring you back to what I said in response to RC's post reporting that the EU were going to slap a visa fee on UK citizens:

So, this doesn’t just apply to the U.K. we’re not being singled out.

you’re making this up to suit your own agenda,

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36088489)

Try Global Entry $100 USD every five years…. I put it on my card pick up points etc as I do with flights and accommodation and then expense it back

Sephiroth

04-08-2021 21:02

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36088552)

So, this doesn’t just apply to the U.K. we’re not being singled out.

you’re making this up to suit your own agenda,
<SNIP>

You're making things up. I simply said that they'd be laughing up their sleeves (at the inconvenience to which the UK would be put).

mrmistoffelees

04-08-2021 21:05