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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35903877)

Oh yes you are andrew your a one track record and the negative things have only happened because of people like you in positions that you'd think they would know better constantly talking down everything UK and a constant drip, drip of negative predictions as nothing has changed in any practical sense. That's the most depressing aspect of this whole EU situation the number of UK people who would happily sell the UK down the river to stay with their beloved EU and will not consider anything positive about it but are constantly talking everything down.

lol. I thought carefully last night - is it better for me to challenge an incorrect post with evidence and risk people trying to fight old battles or shall I just say nothing. I posted thinking forum posters can see what the debate is and won't try and re-run old arguments. My bad.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

So no evidence of the soft brexit you want then colour me shocked.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35903885)

They won't and they can't because anyone whose read article 50 knows it only allows for hard exit from the EU that's how the EU designed it as a form of deterrent for any member thinking of leaving and anytime one of the EU fans is asked they go quiet till the next inevitable doom story comes along. This whole process has shown what an awful group of people we have in the UK.

Where does it say that;

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1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the...rticle-50.html

I'm not a lawyer but it only seems to detail the process for leaving, not what happens afterwards

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35903887)

Have l ever quoted it? as l accepted Brexit a long time ago.:)[COLOR="Silver"]

I didn't say you had. I just want someone, anyone to show where in Article 50 the possiblity of a soft Brexit exists.

On another note.

The FTSE 100 is buoyant as Brexit talks begin

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35903936)

I didn't say you had. I just want someone, anyone to show where in Article 50 the possiblity of a soft Brexit exists.

On another note.

The FTSE 100 is buoyant as Brexit talks begin

It doesn't, because "Hard Brexit" and "Soft Brexit" and "Open Brexit" are all made up terms.

The first two I think we can attribute to Tim Farron and the last one to Ruth Davidson.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35903903)

Where does it say that;

I'm not a lawyer but it only seems to detail the process for leaving, not what happens afterwards

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

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The EU doesn't want a soft Brexit does it? We kept being told it had to be painful in order to dissuade other countries from going down the same route.

Meanwhile in Labourlalaland, Keir Starmer seems to have quite a different view about Brexit than Corbyn and McDonnell do yet they have the audacity to claim the Tories are in disarray over this matter. :rofl:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/18/l...customs-union/

And here's yet another example of the sort of **** which are underpinning Corbyn and which he's doing precious little about:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/19/c...a-of-the-week/

Labour is infested with this sort of nasty thug.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35903951)

As I said, that is the process of leaving, not what happens afterwards. What are our trade negotiators doing in Brussels if we are simply following Article 50 and that's it? Sounds like unelected bureaucrats on a gravy train to me...

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35904024)

We have to leave first and then negotiate a trade deal. Egro "soft" Brexit does not exist.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35904027)

We have to leave first and then negotiate a trade deal. Egro "soft" Brexit does not exist.

Not confident on reaching a trade deal before 2019 then?

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35904038)

Not confident on reaching a trade deal before 2019 then?

Not at all, 5 yrs later perhaps.

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I hope the talks are proceeding better than the Conservative Party's negotiations with the DUP.
http://news.sky.com/story/dup-talks-...urces-10921500

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I'm getting right peed off at being told I didn't vote for a hard Brexit.

Well I did and would do it every-time, if we stay in the trade& customs part we will still be under their thumb. so we MUST do nothing but a hard Brexit

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35904239)

Remainers honouring their commitment to democracy by trying to circumvent it... :rolleyes:

They didn't complain about the referendum or any of the scare tactics when they thought they'd win it hands down but defeat meant it wasn't fair at all...

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

A Swiss perspective on where we are now:

(Brexiteers, best look away now)

THE LAUGHING STOCK OF EUROPE