Cable Forum - Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Alarm bells should be ringing if it ends up being really close. If it is, it'll encourage SNP to keep at it, if we devolve too much further, they'll end up independent anyway. Devolution is basically Independence by 1000 cuts, just takes longer.

Damien

02-09-2014 13:11

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35725980)

Survation showed Yes and No both making ground at the expense of d/k. Yougov has shown tightening since its last poll, but the really dramatic change is in comparison to the last-but-one, which is why all this morning's commentary is focusing on that. The thing is, last-but-one is when Yougov began down-weighting the voting intentions of people like me, who were born outside Scotland.

I'm really not trying to make it sound like Yes hasn't made progress. Clearly it has. But I do think that Yougov has produced an outlier here. If there was a sizeable, measurable shift to Yes from No, as opposed to Yes from d/k, then Survation would have shown that too, but it didn't.

I think YouGov may well have produced an outlier as well because of the size of the shift but down-weighting country of birth impacted the last poll. This +4% movement won't be because of that.

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questi...ed%22%5D#table

Damien

02-09-2014 16:22

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Kellner has an article in the Guardian (think it was in The Sun too but paywall) http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ond-referendum

Pierre

02-09-2014 19:37

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I'm sick to the back teeth with it.

If this ends with a No win, there is no way another referendum should offered for another 50 yrs minimum.

Osem	02-09-2014 19:54

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What should happen next is the English be given a vote. :D

RizzyKing

02-09-2014 20:26

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If no wins the next referendum should be rest of the UK asked if we still want Scotland in the union. SNP has succeeded in one regard they have created greater hostility towards Scotland which I'm pretty sure they intended to create the grounds for independence in the future.

TheDaddy

02-09-2014 20:33

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35726129)

What should happen next is the English be given a vote. :D

Gets my vote, if it were up to me England would leave the union in a heartbeat

Russ	02-09-2014 20:35

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That wouldn't be fair, we wouldn't get our free prescriptions!

Pierre

02-09-2014 21:11

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The Welsh know where their bread's buttered.

If they were cut adrift you have the population of Kazakhstan fearing economic migrants from Wales coming over, taking all their jobs.

Damien

02-09-2014 21:25

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35726133)

No. You can't vote to kick out other members of the Union. You can't revoke it. If England left we would lose the Pound, lose the UK tag, lose the flag, lose a lot.

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BTW In the STV debate the leader of the Scottish Tories said it's unlikely they'll win the next Westminster election. A bit weird that.

Osem	02-09-2014 21:50

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35726133)

If no wins the next referendum should be rest of the UK asked if we still want Scotland in the union. SNP has succeeded in one regard they have created greater hostility towards Scotland which I'm pretty sure they intended to create the grounds for independence in the future.

I fear you're right. Life with the Scots in the UK will increasingly become like TFL and Bob Crowe - a constant source of unreasonable irritation.

The longer this has gone on, the more people I talk to say let them get on with it. I think it's a pity but it's their choice and I believe they'll soon start to regret it once Bravemouth has been exposed to them for the one trick pony he is. There'll be no going back from this if it happens.

Wad_2002

02-09-2014 22:18

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Best debate I have seen so far. Tonight on stv

As Damien pointed out above... Looks like some of the better together guests were getting their own campaigns started for the next election.

Watch the points sway tomorrow folks. The guests of better together did not do any justice.

I'm sure I will get some belters back...but I thought I would get back involved debate on cf :)

RizzyKing

02-09-2014 22:21

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Yes Damian I know the English are just expected to take any crap thrown at them no matter how often and how much and even though I know most Scots don't agree with it doesn't make it any nicer month after month.

Damien

02-09-2014 22:22

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Originally Posted by Wad_2002 (Post 35726159)

The debate is a rehash really. Some points over and over again for months now. The new thing is the Yes campaign of making a No vote seem like a risk too.

nomadking

02-09-2014 22:40

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