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It's not - he can pardon others, but not himself.

He can't be his own judge and jury.

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thats a matter of opinion

Others though say the constitution does not preclude a self-pardon.
"A self-pardon might well be outrageously improper... but the response the Constitution creates for such misconduct is impeachment, a political rather than criminal remedy," Mark Tushnet, a law professor at Harvard University told Vox.

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Nixon wanted to try it but the impeachment was just around the corner and he resigned. I think most of the Republicans would think it a stretch for a President to try this.

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How many people who say they don't like him have listened to his full speeches and really understand his policies, or just listened to the BBC's biased news coverage? Until she resigned, Rona Fairhead, the Chairman of the BBC Trust, was attending Bilderberg meetings.


And who has been indirectly funding the anti Trump demonstrations? Globalists such as George Soros.


Since taking power, under Trump, The stock market is up, employment is up and illegal immigration is significantly down. Just some of his achievements.

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 

but he was pardoned by gerald ford

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In papa's world anything is possible.;)

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you're damn right if i'm running the show i'm running it my way :soapbox:

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The Constitution does not say that in the Presidents Power to Pardon.

The only exception it lays out is he cannot pardon in cases of impeachment.

As it stands. A sitting President cannot be indicted, so he cannot pardon himself without first facing an indictment, thus, creating a catch 22 situation.

There is nothing in the Consitution that says he cannot pardon himself, however it would create a constitutional crisis and he could be finished politically, as he can still be impeached, he could be accused of abusing Presidents power to pardon himself or possibly family.

Other charges can still be levied against him once removed from office, it would require a Pardon from Pence. But Pence has to think of his own reputation. When President Ford pardoned Nixon in 1974, he never recovered politically.

The fact that Trump is weighing up this option does not necessarily imply guilt, because he is so politically illiterate, he is showing the mentality that he is fed up of having a dark cloud over his Presidency, and is just about willing to do what he can to end this cloud. He has said he just wants to get on with the task he was elected to do, it don't help that he has a liberal media against him.

These illegal intelligence leaks to the Washington Post and New York Times need to be addressed, someone internally has them on speed dial. There is clearly Obama people still in play here.

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Wasn't Nixon pardoned ahead of any indictment? I thought it was possible to get a pardon for stuff to come.

I don't see Trump pardoning himself but I am doubtful he himself would be implicated in any of the Russia stuff as opposed to those around him - who he could pardon.

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Yes, the Nixon case set the precedent. But I don't think the Constitution is worded that way.

The limitation is that a pardon cannot be issued for a crime that has not yet been committed and the test is, has President Trump committed a crime?

As we know, the US Government is split in to three entities: Legislative (Congress), Executive branch (President) and Judicial (Supreme Court). They all check and balance each other. But the Presidential power of Pardon only applies to the Executive Branch. When a President issues a legitimate pardon it is, legally irrefutable.

So the question that would be tested if Trump attempted to Pardon himself, does the President hold so much power that he is above the law?

The Constitution would answer this as 'no'.

The United States is a Republic and they made it so that nobody is above the law, not even the President. It's not like here in the UK, where our Head of State, is above the law, her majesty, The Queen.

There have been historical attempts in Congress to limit the scope of the Presidential pardon, but every time they have failed because the power is granted in the Constitution, it's in the original document.

That said, Congress does hold one minor balance of the pardon power, this is in cases where Congress has called a witness and they have refused to give evidence, they would be in Contempt of Congress and a President does not have the privilege of pardoning in cases of contempt, the crime being pardoned has to be at federal level.

I am sure Nixon himself, was going through the motions, could he pardon himself or not?

History records he tried to hang on to his Presidency so desperately, but his political support was completely eroded and impeachment was inevitable. He sure was nudged before he was pushed.

When President Ford pardoned Nixon, in 1974, there is no evidence of a special deal being done. Ford/Nixon denied any deal was done. But I am sure there could have been a little, gentlemen agreement, where Nixon says, if I resign, the desk, the curtains, the oval office, the whole house is yours, but first I ask that you 'Pardon' me once I leave office.

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 

Nothing reeks of I did it more than can I pardon myself, at least that's how it looks, he should think before he tweets, this will haunt him and his presidency to now

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Come on!

He may have just been asking for "a friend"... ;)

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I think that if something has been done by Trump. It has been well and truly covered.

The only thing that wound me uop was when his own blew a kiss to the press. Smart toffee-nosed git.

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"his own" what blew a kiss???

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wot like e did guv ;)