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Mr K 20-12-2020 11:44
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36062944)

Grant Shapps issues statement saying extra police will be deployed to Tier 4 to enforce travel restrictions.

Source BBC
Yes pen them all in. A few macine gun posts wouldn't go amiss.
We don't want the grotty plague ridden South Easterners spoling our green and pleasant land. Think we should make it permanent and declare independence. Could be the new Brexit.... ;)

1andrew1 20-12-2020 12:03
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36062951)
Yes pen them all in. A few macine gun posts wouldn't go amiss.
We don't want the grotty plague ridden South Easterners spoling our green and pleasant land. Think we should make it permanent and declare independence. Could be the new Brexit.... ;)
Many Home Counties types and Londoners now walk amongst you after hearing BoJo's latest u-turn.
Quote:
Crowded trains from St Pancras as people flee London
https://news.sky.com/video/crowded-t...ondon-12168043

Quote:
Travel: Rail chaos as Londoners scramble to leave Tier 4
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-leave-tier-4/

nomadking 20-12-2020 12:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062950)

You think new evidence appeared in 3 days about a strain that has been around for months?

Dr Susan Hopkins (PHE) on impact of new variant: (today on Ridge on Sunday)

-'No signals' of increased mortality in SE.
-No disproportionate admissions to hospital or disproportionate increases in mortality.
"Disproportionate" means to the number of cases regardless of variant.
The rates of mortality etc may be similar for both variants, but if this newer variant spreads more easily, then that inevitably leads to more cases, leading to more deaths etc.

mrmistoffelees 20-12-2020 13:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062950)

You think new evidence appeared in 3 days about a strain that has been around for months?

Dr Susan Hopkins (PHE) on impact of new variant: (today on Ridge on Sunday)

-'No signals' of increased mortality in SE.
-No disproportionate admissions to hospital or disproportionate increases in mortality.
Nobody is arguing about the mortality/admission rates have changed. This is about the increased transmission capability.

Carth 20-12-2020 13:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36062971)

Nobody is arguing about the mortality/admission rates have changed. This is about the increased transmission capability.
How is that measured with any accuracy?

Hugh 20-12-2020 13:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36062973)

How is that measured with any accuracy?
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...ation-12161566
Quote:
It was initially found in a patient in September, Dr Hopkins said, with full genome sequencing being returned in October.

At first, there was "nothing to particularly highlight that this was something of major concern, as variants come and go", she added.

But by late November, scientists were struggling to understand why COVID-19 infections in Kent and Medway were not being lowered by national restrictions.

"Detailed clinical, behavioural and epidemiological investigations" were carried out, Dr Hopkins said, including whole genome sequencing, and a cluster of the new variant was found to be spreading in those areas.

The government was notified on Friday 11 December, after which further work was carried out to understand what was happening.

Scientists subsequently discovered that the new strain was "much more transmissible than the other variants in circulation", Dr Hopkins said.

"That made us hugely concerned and we notified government on Friday (18 December)," she added.

That was the first time "all of the evidence came together".

Mick 20-12-2020 13:56
Re: Coronavirus
 
Phew. About 10 posts needed fixing with their quotes out of whack, members posting quotes that other members hadn't said, that others had said instead.

Thread re-opened. Try not to leave open/dead quote tags in a post as it can lead to this problem.

Pierre 20-12-2020 14:00
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36062935)
The article Pip is referencing, and your comment is based on has been superseded and is no longer relevant.
Still relevant to me.

Mad Max 20-12-2020 15:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
The year is 2025. The UK is in tier 53, only people named Colin who were born on a Tuesday can leave the house. Anyone over 31 must be wrapped in clingfilm over weekends.You MUST go into work unless you probably shouldn't.
Schools are still open.:D

Carth 20-12-2020 15:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36062982)
The year is 2025. The UK is in tier 53, only people named Colin who were born on a Tuesday can leave the house. Anyone over 31 must be wrapped in clingfilm over weekends.You MUST go into work unless you probably shouldn't.
Schools are still open.:D
. . . and the last pub in England that remains standing has been classified as a site of historical interest, with millions of mourners visitors expected yearly ;)

Sephiroth 20-12-2020 15:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
So is it migrants arriving in Kent?

Carth 20-12-2020 15:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36062984)
So is it migrants arriving in Kent?
If they're driving lorries, yes probably ;)

Damien 20-12-2020 15:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
The advice the government was given is out: https://khub.net/documents/135939561...=1608470511452

Don't understand a lot of it but understand this line is bad:
Quote:
Studies of correlation between R-values and detection of the variant: which
suggest an absolute increase in the R-value of between 0.39 to 0.93.

Paul 20-12-2020 15:56
Re: Coronavirus
 
Exactly how does it transmit more easily ?

pip08456 20-12-2020 16:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36062990)
The advice the government was given is out: https://khub.net/documents/135939561...=1608470511452

Don't understand a lot of it but understand this line is bad:
It's not been definatively proven though so still a reasonably high degree of speculation.

Quote:
In summary, NERVTAG has moderate confidence that VUI-202012/01 demonstrates a substantialincrease in transmissibility compared to other variants.


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