Cable Forum - General Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2014) Vol. 3

Andy M: Your point?

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Ready steady cook even funnier in Gaelic. The news An La really very good

I'm aware that there is programming for various groups available, but since we're talking about the licence fee, is all of that programming available on the BBC, or is that it's available commercially?

cj136uk

08-09-2014 23:31

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35727561)

I don't get what you are saying? Only the BBC make gaelic

1andrew1

09-09-2014 00:07

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Originally Posted by cj136uk (Post 35727563)

I don't get what you are saying? Only the BBC make gaelic

I think andy_m is saying is that there are larger minorities in the UK (eg the Poles and the French) who don't get programs made in their languages subsidised by all UK licence fee payers. So should the BBC not be catering for these minorities as well?

I guess the issue is that if the BBC and Scottish government did not fund Gaelic language broadcasting then no one would. By contrast, native French speakers have access to some free content and some paid content from France and other French-speaking countries. Could it also be argued that Gaelic is also a native UK language whereas the others mentioned are not as they have their origins outside the British Isles?

**This discussion probably merits its own thread as it's not about new channels coming to cable.**

cj136uk

09-09-2014 08:23

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35727570)

Which was exactly my point! Only the BBC are mandated to make it. no other org does make it BUT the actual new programming is about £4 millions and for what you get it is very good value for money. The equivalent on network would cost more (I worked for the BBC regulator so have seen all the figures and keep in touch with those who know!). I think the argument is Gaelic speakers are indigenous to Scotland so take priority, to some populations which are transient over time and do not engage with the BBC. The Gaels have protested since Moses received the 10 commandments for more Gaelic radio and television. Wales got S4C in 1982 Gaels Alba in 2007.

Out of interest is BBC Alba carried on VM outwith Scotland? Anyone dipped in?
Speaking our Language is the most bizarre way to learn the language!

spiderplant

09-09-2014 08:49

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Originally Posted by cj136uk (Post 35727601)

Out of interest is BBC Alba carried on VM outwith Scotland? Anyone dipped in?

Yes and yes. But for the places, not the language.

cj136uk

09-09-2014 09:05

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35727603)

Yes and yes. But for the places, not the language.

And that's fine, it is a TV station bringing Scotland to the world and the world to Scotland. Eòrpa has won many UK awards for its standards :yes:

andy_m

09-09-2014 12:34

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Originally Posted by cj136uk (Post 35727601)

Thanks to those for explaining what I meant, and thanks for the answer. I obviously didn't explain myself well enough!

I haven't watched any Alba, although yes, we do get it. I like the fact that you're positive about it being a good way to bring Scotland to the world. I've no issue with that, but not being able to speak Gaelic puts me off watching, so if it's supposed to be an advert for Scotland I think it fails by being inaccessible to all but just shy of 60,000 people. No doubt you'll tell me it's viewing figures nullify my argument!

I guess I just think it's important to understand that modern Britain no longer consists of just it's indigenous peoples and I think embracing the cultures of those we ask to come and live here to improve our nation is just as important as preserving the cultures that made us somewhere that people want to come in the first place. Perhaps that smacks of me taking Scotland for granted a little bit.

Media Boy UK

09-09-2014 12:44

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35727632)

Thanks to those for explaining what I meant, and thanks for the answer. I obviously didn't explain myself well enough!

I haven't watched any Alba, although yes, we do get it. I like the fact that you're positive about it being a good way to bring Scotland to the world. I've no issue with that, but not being able to speak Gaelic puts me off watching, so if it's supposed to be an advert for Scotland I think it fails by being inaccessible to all but just shy of 60,000 people. No doubt you'll tell me it's viewing figures nullify my argument!

I guess I just think it's important to understand that modern Britain no longer consists of just it's indigenous peoples and I think embracing the cultures of those we ask to come and live here to improve our nation is just as important as preserving the cultures that made us somewhere that people want to come in the first place. Perhaps that smacks of me taking Scotland for granted a little bit.

Do what I do when Motherwell is on BBC Alba turn sound down.

cj136uk

09-09-2014 13:04

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35727634)

Do what I do when Motherwell is on BBC Alba turn sound down.

I can't condone that activity MB!

I suppose you turn Radio Scotland SportsSound up then for the english commentary!!

They were going to trial a euronews style approach to choice of language. but I think that died a death due to funding.

The channel helps promote the normalisation of gaelic, and stop the decline. so even if you don't understand gaelic, there are learning programs, children's programmes which help encourage use and exposure of the language.

Its horses for courses, I think if you are happy with subtitles, then you can merrily watch it. If you don't then don't worry about it.

I think in Scotland, we are either gaelic speakers or have exposure to it through tv, radio, school or road signs!
S4C helped stop the decline of the Welsh language in Wales. All the signs are BBC Alba is exceeding expectations.

Media Boy UK

09-09-2014 13:25

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Local TV on MB Blog: Made in Cardiff reveal launch date.

Local TV broadcaster "Made TV" has just reveal that Made in Cardiff will launch on October 15th on Virgin Channel 159.

https://twitter.com/MadeInCardiffTV/...95686538772480

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Originally Posted by cj136uk (Post 35727644)

I can't condone that activity MB!

I suppose you turn Radio Scotland SportsSound up then for the english commentary!!

They were going to trial a euronews style approach to choice of language. but I think that died a death due to funding.

The channel helps promote the normalisation of gaelic, and stop the decline. so even if you don't understand gaelic, there are learning programs, children's programmes which help encourage use and exposure of the language.

Its horses for courses, I think if you are happy with subtitles, then you can merrily watch it. If you don't then don't worry about it.

I think in Scotland, we are either gaelic speakers or have exposure to it through tv, radio, school or road signs!
S4C helped stop the decline of the Welsh language in Wales. All the signs are BBC Alba is exceeding expectations.

Testing right now on Sky and Virgin Media.

Rumours on Digital Spy say English commentary on BBC Alba is set to launch by end of September - Not confirmed by BBC.

OLD BOY

09-09-2014 13:32

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Originally Posted by cj136uk (Post 35727442)

The BBC just won't disappear! BBC1/2/3/4 and the radio services are available across europe, either pay tv or free via freesat. Radio is available all over the world.

No one knows what will happen in the negotiations. But for commercial and funding reasons, the BBC does not want to loose £320 millions in license fee money.
One proposal, which you partly talked about was the SBS proposal, hive off BBC Scotland services, keep/buy in the best network programming, as they do in Ireland (the programmes air at exactly the same time!). The rest of the schedule is made in Scotland or imported.

The BBC could remain, have a presence via BBC Scotland/SBS like the S4C model

BBC can't just disappear, there is freesat and as I already stated commercial funding reasons meaning the BBC just won't let 5 million viewers or listeners go.

But if Scotland becomes independent, the analogy with SC4, which broadcasts within the UK, is not correct.

I cannot see a Scottish Government being happy for a legal requirement to be maintained that its citizens who use a TV must pay a foreign organisation or face legal action. Presumably, therefore, either the Scottish Government will collect and pay the BBC or there would be some form of subscription.

I'm not sure how they would deal with the Freesat issue, though!

cj136uk

09-09-2014 14:01

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35727658)

Old Boy, this is now, if there is a Yes vote then everything is up for negotiation.

All the BBC Alba staff are in Scotland and all the equipment. I think the name will change but not the remit.

Freesat: remove Scottish Postcodes. TBH I do believe this will all be ironed out. Let's not forget, the new broadcaster is expected to take over on January 1st 2017 at the end of the current charter. So arrangements can be put in place/negotiated.

Media Boy UK

09-09-2014 14:06

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Originally Posted by cj136uk (Post 35727669)

Old Boy, this is now, if there is a Yes vote then everything is up for negotiation.

All the BBC Alba staff are in Scotland and all the equipment. I think the name will change but not the remit.

No wonder why some people in Scotland want Independence all BBC News at 10 in Scotland last night and 90% of Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games BBC workers all come from outside Scotland. Why not use BBC Scotland workers?

cj136uk

09-09-2014 14:10

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35727670)

Very good question. BBC Sport built temporary studios (at considerable expense) for the Games right next door to BBC Scotland's Pacific Quay HQ, which is brand new and hardly used!

For the referendum, they 'got' from London BBC £5 million more. This covered a special question time debate programmes (cheap) 5 trainee reporters (even cheaper), (that) Sarah Smith and James Naughtie. I suspect BBC News will bring its own staff up to 'translate' the issues for the other nations in the UK

DaMac

09-09-2014 14:12

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@andy_m Who asked anybody to come and live here? I didn't nor did anybody I know or work with or have ever been acquainted with.

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