Cable Forum - Russia has invaded Ukraine

Sometimes being a "devil’s advocate’" is indistinguishable from being an "asshole"…

ymmv

Ukraine’s assertions are confirmed by independent sources - Russia’s aren’t .

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nt-september-7

There’s the difference…

Paul	09-09-2022 02:16

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Well I suppose technically they have not lost anything compared to the start of the war, since none of it was theirs then ...

Hugh	09-09-2022 15:18

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https://twitter.com/ozkaterji/status...JyoELBcJZcOmag

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@OzKaterji

From ‘the second best army in the world’ to the second best army in Ukraine

Jaymoss

09-09-2022 15:31

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36133800)

There is being seen as a asshole because said person does not blindly believe a propaganda machine and there are those who are just assholes Hugh

The majority of the worlds governments are against Russia so it is not hard to believe we are being manipulated in following the narrative. I see nothing in your link that proves to me I can trust them the same as I can not trust news coming out of Russia.

Maybe if I was to say Baaaaa you would understand

TheDaddy

09-09-2022 16:27

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36133840)

Big difference between propaganda and a multi nation conspiracy to hide the truth from their citizens, bit insulting to journalists here actually imo

Jaymoss

09-09-2022 16:37

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36133841)

Big difference between propaganda and a multi nation conspiracy to hide the truth from their citizens, bit insulting to journalists here actually imo

I do not understand what point you are making here?

Only a naive person would think we are not being lied to by those in power on a daily basis

Damien

09-09-2022 16:48

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36133842)

I do not understand what point you are making here?

Only a naive person would think we are not being lied to by those in power on a daily basis

If you don't believe anything then what value is there in following or commenting on this story? There is no factual basis to start a discussion.

Hugh	09-09-2022 16:57

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36133840)

It’s not a Government organisation…

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The Ukraine War is also being reported by multiple other OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) source, none of which are Governmental.

https://www.echosec.net/weeklybullet...-post-invasion

https://www.technology.org/2022/08/3...ilitary-bases/

There’s cynicism and there’s bloody-minded blindness to reality…

Jaymoss

09-09-2022 16:57

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36133843)

If you don't believe anything then what value is there in following or commenting on this story? There is no factual basis to start a discussion.

Cuz I want to. Is that ok with you :)

Jaymoss

09-09-2022 17:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36133844)

It’s not a Government organisation…

The Ukraine War is also being reported by multiple other OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) source, none of which are Governmental.

https://www.echosec.net/weeklybullet...-post-invasion

https://www.technology.org/2022/08/3...ilitary-bases/

There’s cynicism and there’s bloody-minded blindness to reality…

I find it really amusing that educated intelligent people do not appear to understand how propaganda works. I see the news this thread and the like and get a general idea but maintain an agnostic view on it because I am not there and do not trust anyone

Hugh	09-09-2022 18:04

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Mate, I was actively involved in Intelligence Collection and Analysis when I was in the RAF, working with GCHQ, NSA, and the US Armed Forces - I know how SIGINT/OSINT works, and how propaganda works.

Mistrusting everything isn’t maintaining an agnostic view - it’s blinding yourself to any truthful information, by treating everything as false; research, collect, analyse, verify - the basics of fact-finding…

Maggy

10-09-2022 10:04

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OKAY,back on topic everyone.

Jaymoss

10-09-2022 10:05

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36133885)

I presume that was Ukrainian. Good one.

I remember from an episode of Sharpe when he was called the exact opposite, an “edel Mensch”.

On which note, Ukraine seems to be recapturing ground and Russia has gone all quiet.

I think full scale invasions of any moderate sized country has proven difficult since the end of WWII. When you consider the failures in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan twice. The only real exception that comes to mind is Iraq and I guess that was not that big and had a lot going on against it on the inside with it being a factional country

pip08456

10-09-2022 11:10

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This is as close to confirmation of the Ukrainian advances as you'll get from Russia.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...10989149605888

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