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This is an interesting piece on the Lugano Convention. I'm sure that leavers will be falling over themselves to agree with its statement "The EU's pretence that the UK is a third-country like any other is a misrepresentation of reality."

To me, it shows the time is ripe to ditch Frost and replace him with someone who genuinely wants to build a strong relationship with the EU.
https://euobserver.com/opinion/152521

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It's just another 'opinion piece', this one by a former Labour MEP and a former Italian diplomat.

We all have opinions, I doubt mine would make it to print ;)

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By adopting a non-perfidious approach.

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From which side?

in before Sephiroth :D

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We all have opinions but people are more interested in hearing the opinions of those who have worked in the area than us randoms plucked from the internet. ;)

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Seph cited "we" presumably meaning the UK.

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That's called fantasy politics. :D

In the current situation, honesty and good communication with EU and with the UK electorate is key. Hence the need for a trustworthy, fresh face at the negotiating table.

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You really want someone honest & trustworthy facing the EU across the negotiating table?

I think a second hand car salesman would be a better option . . they'd be more aware of the clever wording of the small print :D

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That’s not a problem, as I’m sure any deal would undergo suitable extensive Parliamentary scrutiny, with plenty of time to spot any ‘gotchas’…

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:D

Parliamentary people who are prone to leaving classified documents on park benches or the back seat of a taxi wouldn't notice small print if it was written on the inside of their eyelids ;)

A second hand care salesman however, knows exactly the contents and whereabouts of those 'oh so important' documents . . . right up until the cheque clears, after which he's unavailable for further comment on why the paint ran in the car wash, the brakes squeal, and why the headlights have started acting like indicators. That's the man to negotiate for us :D

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That's for a deft negotiator to sort out but they are the larger entity. What cards do we hold?

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I'll get in before my good friend Carth!

Your answer is very clear: There is little chance of even a deft negotiator improving relations with the EU to the extent that the EU does not then call the shots.

If you know that, why would you suggest that we improve relations with the EU? Why would you settle for the EU calling the shots in any "improved" relationship?

How are you going to wriggle out of this one?

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You need to own your decision to vote for Johnson and Brexit and not try and push the responsibility for sorting the situation out onto others.

Your MP may be worth consulting - after all it was he who said 'Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.'

But having a new negotiator will engender much-needed trust so that's one piece of advice I can give you.