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Paul 19-12-2020 22:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36062877)
They need to do this
They dont 'need' to do anything.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36062877)
The minority cannot be allowed to dictate public health.
The minority already are, you just happen to disagree with them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36062877)
I have been called a bully and I should stay at home buy these Covidiots.
I've been called lots of things over my life, so have most other people.
We know your view, so now you can stop posting it every chance you get.

jfman 19-12-2020 23:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36062906)
The New Zealand option was never an option for us. A country of 5 million at the bottom of the world and close to nowhere is no comparison to the UK, which has a massive economy, 12 times the population and a high volume of inbound and outbound travel through one of the busiest international airports in the world. The disruption of a no-deal Brexit will be as nothing compared to the sheer chaos of closing ourselves down completely for long enough to make a difference, yet the mere possibility of No Deal has been raising ever more hysterical objections for many months.
I just think we didn’t want to try hard enough and always saw Sweden or the next pipe dream and clung to it. Antibody testing, Operation Moonshot, whatever.

International travel ground to a halt in lockdown 1 and we survived. It remains significantly down now. Measures like testing, screening and quarantine could all be used to reduce risk.

We wouldn’t be closing ourselves entirely down - New Zealand still receives goods from abroad. As would we. It’s the people who are the problem and we’d need to mitigate that. Surely it’d be less economic harm in the long run to get all of our non-travel economy up and running?

pip08456 19-12-2020 23:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36062908)
I just think we didn’t want to try hard enough and always saw Sweden or the next pipe dream and clung to it. Antibody testing, Operation Moonshot, whatever.

International travel ground to a halt in lockdown 1 and we survived. It remains significantly down now. Measures like testing, screening and quarantine could all be used to reduce risk.

We wouldn’t be closing ourselves entirely down - New Zealand still receives goods from abroad. As would we. It’s the people who are the problem and we’d need to mitigate that. Surely it’d be less economic harm in the long run to get all of our non-travel economy up and running?
I'd love to know how you are going to mitigate people being the problem.

1andrew1 19-12-2020 23:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062910)
I'd love to know how you are going to mitigate people being the problem.
Zoom?

pip08456 20-12-2020 00:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062913)
Zoom?
Good luck with that.

Meanwhile.

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On Tuesday 15 December, Professor Nick Loman of the Covid-19 Genomics UK (COG UK) consortium, identified the new set of mutations as VUI – 202012/0. He confirmed that it is not new, as COG UK identified it in September, and there is no proof that it is more infectious. As Professor Sharon Peacock, COG Director, pointed out: “We are still dealing with very thin evidence at the moment about this variant.”

Dr Maria van Kerkhove, the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of emerging diseases and zoonosis unit at WHO, has also confirmed that the strain involved has been circulating for many months, though she referred to it as N501Y.
(my bold)

Link

Carth 20-12-2020 01:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
'sigh' well it comes as no surprise to me that some 'experts' have a different view of this new strain. :rolleyes:

I've had enough of all this, being 'unlucky' enough to not be able to work from home, I've had 9 months of all work and no play - screw this for a lark, if it gets me it gets me, don't give a flying one anymore :mad:

jfman 20-12-2020 05:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062913)
Zoom?
Well it stands to reason, our economy didn’t collapse because of no international travel in March.

Processes can be put in place at ports, testing, isolating workers from the rest of the population. New Zealand isn’t some self sustainable wonderland. What have they put in place?

Pierre 20-12-2020 08:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062917)
Good luck with that.

Meanwhile.

Quote:
On Tuesday 15 December, Professor Nick Loman of the Covid-19 Genomics UK (COG UK) consortium, identified the new set of mutations as VUI – 202012/0. He confirmed that it is not new, as COG UK identified it in September, and there is no proof that it is more infectious. As Professor Sharon Peacock, COG Director, pointed out: “We are still dealing with very thin evidence at the moment about this variant.”

Dr Maria van Kerkhove, the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of emerging diseases and zoonosis unit at WHO, has also confirmed that the strain involved has been circulating for many months, though she referred to it as N501Y.
(my bold)

Link
Are you suggesting that it is being hyped up to exert more control over the population? I think I’m going to start wearing a tinfoil hat.

heero_yuy 20-12-2020 08:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36062928)

Are you suggesting that it is being hyped up to exert more control over the population? I think I’m going to start wearing a tinfoil hat.
Meanwhile the sales of jackboot polish....

papa smurf 20-12-2020 09:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36062932)
Meanwhile the sales of jackboot polish....
And Hugo Boss trench coats.

mrmistoffelees 20-12-2020 09:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062917)
Good luck with that.

Meanwhile.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36062928)
Are you suggesting that it is being hyped up to exert more control over the population? I think I’m going to start wearing a tinfoil hat.
I note that both yourself and Pip fail to acknowledge that the data regarding increased transmission capability’s was provided to the government on Friday.

The article Pip is referencing, and your comment is based on has been superseded and is no longer relevant.

Maggy 20-12-2020 10:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
As far as I can see tier 4 is just like the first lockdown in March which didn't really impact on my life anyway. As long as the food shops, pharmacies and other essential shops are open we will be fine. I'm sad for those who wanted to see family for Christmas but there will be another time when we can meet up safely. Let's be safe until then. Just check up on family on a regular basis by whatever method suits as long as it's socially distanced.

pip08456 20-12-2020 11:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36062935)

I note that both yourself and Pip fail to acknowledge that the data regarding increased transmission capability’s was provided to the government on Friday.

The article Pip is referencing, and your comment is based on has been superseded and is no longer relevant.
The article I referenced is dated 19/12/2020. That would be yesterday.

mrmistoffelees 20-12-2020 11:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36062943)
The article I referenced is dated 19/12/2020. That would be yesterday.
That would be the published date, the first few words give the date of the comments. Which would be Tuesday the 15th December

---------- Post added at 11:18 ---------- Previous post was at 11:16 ----------

Grant Shapps issues statement saying extra police will be deployed to Tier 4 to enforce travel restrictions.

Source BBC

pip08456 20-12-2020 11:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36062944)

That would be the published date, the first few words give the date of the comments. Which would be Tuesday the 15th December

---------- Post added at 11:18 ---------- Previous post was at 11:16 ----------

Grant Shapps issues statement saying extra police will be deployed to Tier 4 to enforce travel restrictions.

Source BBC
You think new evidence appeared in 3 days about a strain that has been around for months?

Dr Susan Hopkins (PHE) on impact of new variant: (today on Ridge on Sunday)

-'No signals' of increased mortality in SE.
-No disproportionate admissions to hospital or disproportionate increases in mortality.


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