Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36015405)

At least half a dozen of the ones still expelled from the party are those who voted for Stella Creasey’s thoroughly pointless amendment this afternoon. They’re the usual hard remainer contingent, Ken Clarke, Guto Bebb etc.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36015266)

This Parliament has overstepped it’s remit. The legislators have taken on the role of the executive. In any other Parliament a vote of no confidence would have been taken on this government and a GE would have been undertaken months ago.

This Parliament is not fit for purpose.


You can’t have another democratic exercise on that question as the result of the first democratic exercise has not been undertaken.

The opposition parties demanded a GE because May had not won a GE and May duly agreed because she thought she’d walk it. Parliament, you know that great democratic institution voted for a GE.

Funny that Johnson, also not elected via a GE, and Parliament think that’s fine, and won’t test him in a GE? Go figure.

there’s no rules anymore. Bercow and the remainer Parliament have ripped up the conventions. We need a new speaker and a new Parliament.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36015417)

On the other hand, she was absolutely right about the opposition parties attempting to destabilise the process. It’s just a pity that

1. She completely boleauxed up the election
and
2. So weakened herself that the hardliners on her own backbench (on both sides of the Brexit divide) decided to use the chaos to try to push her towards their own favoured outcome.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36015420)

12th of December it is then.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36015420)

Agreed, but that’s not what Pierre stated.

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12th of December it is then.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36015423)

After a lot of pointless posturing over the date and a very silly attempt to change the age of franchise (which is in itself worthy of serious consideration but obviously not something to be thrown around right now).

And the 438 votes in favour must surely be very close to the two thirds majority that would have carried it yesterday? Truly this parliament has become a joke and makes a laughing stock of its own high reputation and history. It needs thoroughly hosing down.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36015244)

“I’d rather” is an expression of how one feels about certain things, not a commitment to do one or the other.

Besides, he’s trying very hard to implicate Parliament as the cause of the delay, rather than he himself.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36015385)

Here's a Boris policy that is toxic:

Trump’s Plan For The NHS: Channel 4 Dispatches



Oh dear, the truth is coming out just in time ...

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36015416)

Eh?

Nice try at revising history/reality, though... ;)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36015438)

If you actually read the report, it is Trump's policy, not BJ's. If the report is correct, that is.

Government response:

In a statement to Dispatches, the Department for International Trade said: “The NHS is not, and never will be, for sale to the private sector, whether overseas or domestic‎…The sustainability of the NHS is an absolute priority for the government. We could not agree to any proposals on medicines pricing or access that would put NHS finances at risk or reduce clinician and patient choice.”

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36015438)

If you actually read the report, it is Trump's policy, not BJ's. If the report is correct, that is.

Government response:

In a statement to Dispatches, the Department for International Trade said: “The NHS is not, and never will be, for sale to the private sector, whether overseas or domestic‎…The sustainability of the NHS is an absolute priority for the government. We could not agree to any proposals on medicines pricing or access that would put NHS finances at risk or reduce clinician and patient choice.”

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36015420)

Agreed, but that’s not what Pierre stated.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36015431)

Were any of these commitments?

We are getting ready to come out on October the 31st...Do or die, come what may” (25 June, TalkRadio interview)

“Kick the can again and we kick the bucket, my friends, that's the sad reality" (27 June, Tory leadership hustings)

“We are going to fulfil the repeated promises of Parliament to the people and come out of the EU on October 31, no ifs or buts” (25 July, first speech as Prime Minister)

“There are no circumstances in which I will ask Brussels to delay. We are leaving on 31 October, no ifs or buts” (2 September, speaking in Downing Street)

“I am confident of getting a deal. We will leave on 31 October in all circumstances. There will be no further pointless delay.” (3 September, speech in Commons)

"I will not negotiate a delay with the EU and neither does the law compel me to do so” (19 October, speech in Commons)