Cable Forum - PM Boris forms a government

Because otherwise they are meant to be in education. Labour raised the normal school leaving age to 18. So they would rarely be included in the unemployment figures, which is what Carth had been whinging about.
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England
You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you’ll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays.
You must then do one of the following until you’re 18:

stay in full-time education, for example at a college
start an apprenticeship or traineeship
spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training

1andrew1

04-09-2019 21:09

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36008777)

From your link.

Pretty sure that the one hour a week definition is to make sure those like Rees-Mogg get included as employed. :D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49578400

Pierre

04-09-2019 21:10

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Well Parliament have killed any negotiations for any kind of deal.

No doubt they’ll decline a General Election too.

Which achieves what, exactly?

Proof that Parliament is arrogant and believes it is above the people from which it garners its executive power.

Whenever the election is, the forgotten 17.4 million people that have been ignored, will speak again, no doubt.

Carth

04-09-2019 21:13

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36008780)

hmm, I'm pretty sure . . no I'm definite . . that that wasn't what I was 'whinging' about

but you carry on mate :p:

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36008783)

Whenever the election is, the forgotten 17.4 million people that have been ignored, will speak again, no doubt.

especially those in strong 'leave' areas who have just been shafted by their local (labour) representative :D

nomadking

04-09-2019 21:21

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36008772)

Given the way they calculate how many (few) hours a week you need to work in order to qualify as 'employed', I doubt very much that the unemployment figures will rise to anything that comes remotely near 7% . . . unless they decide to move the goalposts again for . . . reasons :rolleyes:

oh, and two words to note in one of the quotes above are: MAY and PEAK . . . which actually leaves a big area below that

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36008784)

hmm, I'm pretty sure . . no I'm definite . . that that wasn't what I was 'whinging' about

but you carry on mate :p:

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especially those in strong 'leave' areas who have just been shafted by their local (labour) representative :D

Uses the same rules and criteria as around the world.

Carth

04-09-2019 21:27

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Go on then, post the figures relating to zero hour contracts :rolleyes:

1andrew1

04-09-2019 21:35

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36008783)

The 17.4 million didn't vote for no-deal, as Michael Gove reminded us. They voted for a deal so now it's time Boris re-employed all the deal-makers he laid off and finally starts making an effort to get a deal and not looking for others to blame for a change.

Carth

04-09-2019 21:40

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36008790)

The 17.4 million didn't vote for no-deal . .

Speculation again, but if that's what it takes then there will be quite a few happy to accept it ;)

Pierre

04-09-2019 21:42

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36008790)

The 17.4 million didn't vote for no-deal

Go and put your head in the fridge.

We’ll see what the nation think of this, as when we get an election. I doubt it will be pretty.

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as Michael Gove reminded us. They voted for a deal so now it's time Boris re-employed all the deal-makers he laid off and finally starts making an effort to get a deal and not looking for others to blame for a change.

Why, totally pointless. If I was Boris if there is to be no election, i’d Go on holiday until Jan 30th.

nomadking

04-09-2019 21:43

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36008789)

Go on then, post the figures relating to zero hour contracts :rolleyes:

Zero hour contracts started under Labour, after the minimum wage laws, and were effectively there in a different form before then. It was called casual work.
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This definition is used by most other countries, by the Statistical Office of the European Union (Eurostat), and by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

The rules haven't changed, and aren't going to change. Your suggestion that any post-brexit rise in unemployment would end up being hidden, is completely baseless and false.

Carth

04-09-2019 21:48

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36008793)

Your suggestion that any post-brexit rise in unemployment would end up being hidden, is completely baseless and false.

nope, not what I suggested either.

Feel free to keep guessing though :D

nomadking

04-09-2019 21:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36008790)

They definitely didn't vote for Remain. That cannot be denied.

There isn't a deal on the table, and why should we simply be forced to accept whatever the EU decides to offer us?

Imagine a trade union dispute, where the union says to the employer "we'll accept whatever you choose to offer", and the reply comes back "what about a 20% pay cut", and the union is forced to say yes to that. Then also imagine that prior to the dispute the union said that they would never go on strike or work to rule or anything like that. That is effectively what May and the Remainers have said to the EU. That is why the EU is being obstructive. They know the Remainers are on their side.

1andrew1

04-09-2019 21:53

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36008791)

Speculation again, but if that's what it takes then there will be quite a few happy to accept it ;)

Not speculating, am quoting Government Minister Michael Gove.
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-02/...en-from-space/

Pierre

04-09-2019 21:56

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36008797)

Imagine a trade union dispute, where the union says to the employer "we'll accept whatever you choose to offer", and the reply comes back "what about a 20% pay cut", and the union is forced to say yes to that. Then also imagine that prior to the dispute the union said that they would never go on strike or work to rule or anything like that. That is effectively what May and the Remainers have said to the EU. That is why the EU is being obstructive. They know the Remainers are on their side.

Indeed, it’s a joke.

I hope BoJo finds a way to circumnavigate this undemocratic and handicapping half arsed legislation.

nomadking

04-09-2019 21:58

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36008795)

nope, not what I suggested either.

Feel free to keep guessing though :D

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36008772)

Given the way they calculate how many (few) hours a week you need to work in order to qualify as 'employed', I doubt very much that the unemployment figures will rise to anything that comes remotely near 7% . . . unless they decide to move the goalposts again for . . . reasons :rolleyes:

oh, and two words to note in one of the quotes above are: MAY and PEAK . . . which actually leaves a big area below that

So what else is the highlighted bit referring to? Especially the :rolleyes: at the end. You are clearly suggesting that the unemployment figures won't rise to "remotely near 7%", because the figures will be fiddled(ie " they decide to move the goalposts").

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