Cable Forum - Unstoppable migration?

Yes and they've been driven there by those who refuse to listen. No real surprise to the rest of us then then that people wind up voting for those who do seem to listen - even those who're more extreme than they'd normally ever consider...

Osem	15-11-2016 11:43

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Such a big fuss about child refugees from Calais (and elsewhere) coming here to be 'safe' yet as we all know that's far from the truth but hey, let's not that fact get in the way of a few pious, bandwagon jumping, celebrities and what they think...

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Trafficked children and unaccompanied child asylum seekers are going missing from UK care homes at "an alarmingly high rate", two charities have said.
Almost 600 children disappeared last year, with more than 200 still missing, ECPAT UK and Missing People said.
The charities called on the UK government and local authorities to reform the child protection system.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37982221

Tip of the iceberg I reckon and I'd wager that a good number of those 'children' brought in from Calais recently who we were told had 'family' here will already have disappeared. No matter eh, maybe they've gone round to Geldof's gaff...

RizzyKing

15-11-2016 14:34

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Yep we have got celebrities lecturing us all on how we should take in more to be "safe" when most of them were in a safe place and chose to leave it for the idea that the UK won't just be safe but hand them all they want. Then we have another group constantly banging on about how attacks on immigrants are increasing after brexit, so now the UK is not safe for immigrants. It's one big mess made worse by too many vested interests jumping into to further their own ego\agenda and nothings getting done.

papa smurf

15-11-2016 16:31

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35869743)

Yes and they've been driven there by those who refuse to listen. No real surprise to the rest of us then then that people wind up voting for those who do seem to listen - even those who're more extreme than they'd normally ever consider...

whoever gets the job done and damn the consequences :shrug:

Hugh	15-11-2016 17:00

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35869844)

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whoever gets the job done and damn the consequences :shrug:

Yup- they'll get the trains running on time.

It's where to, that's the problem....:(

Kursk

15-11-2016 17:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35869850)

Yup- they'll get the trains running on time.

It's where to, that's the problem....:(

Inappropriate Hugh.

Hugh	15-11-2016 18:50

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35869852)

Inappropriate Hugh.

It was in reference to the comment about 'damn the consequences'....

Once a beast is unleashed, it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle...:(

RizzyKing

15-11-2016 18:58

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Thankfully i don't see the UK or Germany succumbing to the far right anytime soon the UK still has it's natural dislike of anything that resembles nazism at least for the next couple of decades. Germany is still very much in touch with that part of it's past and the majority of germans would not accept a slide back to that extreme. Other nations in europe have a stronger chance and the only practical extreme is right there is a growing resentment to socialism and against liberalism in it's modern form.

Damien

15-11-2016 19:23

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35869872)

Germany probably not because of their history they are, as you say, hyper sensitive to it.

However fascism won't come from jackbooted men marching out of bavarian beer halls. It will comes from people wearing suits and kinder faces channelling popular concerns and a population willing to go ahead with it and turn a blind eye. Any leader who seeks to discriminate or blame a minority group then that's the red flag, once you start overlooking that then you're well on the way.

RizzyKing

15-11-2016 20:43

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We have had the BNP and the EDL and neither has really gained traction I'm not concerned about the UK and Germany but other nations i think could be very susceptible to the far right. Politics is an utter mess in the west at the minute i think predictions are out of the window at this point far too much anger with how things have been means the fringe has never had a better chance.

Damien

15-11-2016 21:02

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35869889)

I think the BNP were around at the wrong time (for them, lucky for us). I wonder if they would have done better in the current environment. Although there was also the fact they were too obviously racist and not talented enough to appear credible to the public. You look back at Nick Griffin's Question Time appearance and he isn't quick enough to deal with the questions or sufficiently able to rebrand policies as something more palatable.

As I said to be successful they're unlikely to be so obvious.

I hope the UK is an unlikely place for it to happen. I am not sure why it would be but it does seem as if we don't have any politically successful far-right parties. Maybe it's a function of our electoral system? Maybe it's because we have to stable, rather moderate, parties which have a stranglehold on the whole thing. Maybe we do have some sort of cultural resilience? I don't know. I think it's dangerous to assume it will stay this way. We have to ensure it doesn't.

TheDaddy

16-11-2016 07:39

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35869872)

That is true, many other parts of Europe never bothered to tackle their part in national socialism preferring to gloss over their active participation in some of the worst atrocities

Ramrod

16-11-2016 21:08

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Arabic Translator: Muslim Migrants Secretly Hate Christians

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Grateful for the “open-minded reception and support” she was given by Germany after arriving as a refugee in 1991, the woman began to volunteer in asylum centres five years ago to “give something back”.

A Christian but presumed to be Muslim by migrants and other staff volunteering and working at the shelters, the translator of Arabic immediately discovered “Christians are oppressed, intimidated and harassed by Muslim refugees. This is normal.”

The woman has worked in several migrant centres and discloses that their security staff and other translators, who are almost all Muslim, are part of the problem.

“They have mostly grown up here, are well-educated and are professionals, and they give a first impression of having a cosmopolitan outlook”, she says.

However this changes as soon as they are “among themselves”, the translator says. When migrant centre staff believe non-Muslims are out of earshot, “they then show their true face and how they want Germany to be Islamised. They despise our country and our values”.