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nutellajunkie 06-04-2007 09:41

Re: Caller ID
 
Im not sure what the meaning is here, but I have lived in the .renf area for nearly a decade, and as far as I remember, ive always had C-ID.

PS, remember and ask retentions allow you to have this for free - since they dont want you going to BT, they shouldnt have much problem allowing this.

AlabasterLyn 06-04-2007 11:24

Re: Caller ID
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nutellajunkie (Post 34269139)
Im not sure what the meaning is here, but I have lived in the .renf area for nearly a decade, and as far as I remember, ive always had C-ID.

PS, remember and ask retentions allow you to have this for free - since they dont want you going to BT, they shouldnt have much problem allowing this.

I think what a lot of us are saying is that Caller ID is not available nationally, it depends on where you live. Some areas have been waiting for over 10yrs with the constant promise of it being available 'anytime now', which really means they have absolutely no idea at all and don't seem to care either.

Lyn

Guy T 08-04-2007 07:41

Re: Caller ID
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlabasterLyn (Post 34269196)
I think what a lot of us are saying is that Caller ID is not available nationally, it depends on where you live. Some areas have been waiting for over 10yrs with the constant promise of it being available 'anytime now', which really means they have absolutely no idea at all and don't seem to care either.

Lyn

Same here in Derby! - CS have been saying "available in the next 3-6 months" for the last 9 years at least. I remember the Nynex sales chap at the time saying how the phone system being installed was far more advanced than BT's :erm: Yeah of course it is !!!!!
It must be about time to call them again for the twice yearly update !

Arch Stanton 14-04-2007 10:26

Re: Caller ID
 
Guy - unfortunately Derby cannot support Cli.

ntluser 15-04-2007 06:41

Re: Caller ID
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arch Stanton (Post 34275130)
Guy - unfortunately Derby cannot support Cli.

Is there a list of areas which cannot support CLI?

Is Virgin Media intending to do anything about this problem?

What is involved in providing CLI and what are the main technical obstacles ( part from the vast expense) to doing that?

AlabasterLyn 15-04-2007 12:20

Re: Caller ID
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 34275676)
Is there a list of areas which cannot support CLI?

Is Virgin Media intending to do anything about this problem?

What is involved in providing CLI and what are the main technical obstacles ( part from the vast expense) to doing that?


Good question, would love to know the answer ;)

King Of Fools 15-04-2007 17:20

Re: Caller ID
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 34275676)
What is involved in providing CLI and what are the main technical obstacles ( part from the vast expense) to doing that?

It is all to do with the technical details of the phone exchange in each area. There are a lot of different systems and some of them are just not compatible with CLI. To get CLI to work in these areas would require a brand new exchange to be purchased and installed, which would not make financial sense with VoIP exchanges coming very soon.

AlabasterLyn 15-04-2007 17:24

Re: Caller ID
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by King Of Fools (Post 34276029)
It is all to do with the technical details of the phone exchange in each area. There are a lot of different systems and some of them are just not compatible with CLI. To get CLI to work in these areas would require a brand new exchange to be purchased and installed, which would not make financial sense with VoIP exchanges coming very soon.

I have no idea what a VoIP exchange is :confused: but does that mean that when VM have those that Caller ID will then be available nationwide or are some areas never going to be enabled.

Lyn

Arch Stanton 15-04-2007 19:21

Re: Caller ID
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by King Of Fools (Post 34276029)
It is all to do with the technical details of the phone exchange in each area. There are a lot of different systems and some of them are just not compatible with CLI. To get CLI to work in these areas would require a brand new exchange to be purchased and installed, which would not make financial sense with VoIP exchanges coming very soon.

There are Switch and Transmission upgrades required. Plus changes to the billing system as VM wish to charge for this feature.

Soft Switches will be rolled out, however do not expect changes to the situation overnight.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 34275676)
Is there a list of areas which cannot support CLI?

Is Virgin Media intending to do anything about this problem?

What is involved in providing CLI and what are the main technical obstacles ( part from the vast expense) to doing that?

I do have access to a list of areas that do not support Cli.

I'm not party to what VM intend to do at the moment. That's in the hands of others, although a lot of the equipment that requires upgrading is now obsolete.

Rapid Dr3am 16-04-2007 10:23

Re: Caller ID
 
Which switch doesn't support CLI?

I know we run nokia, system x and dms.

Theodoric 16-04-2007 19:23

Re: Caller ID
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 34275676)
Is there a list of areas which cannot support CLI?

Is Virgin Media intending to do anything about this problem?

What is involved in providing CLI and what are the main technical obstacles ( part from the vast expense) to doing that?

Well, I can't answer parts 1 or 3, but I can, after a fashion, answer part 2 because, over the past couple of months, I've asked VM this question on 3 separate occasions.

The VM position is starkly simple; they simply refuse, point blank, to answer any queries on this question. To put it another way, they refuse to give out any information whatsoever on whether and, if so, when CLI might, or might not, come to a given area.

Guy T 16-04-2007 19:56

Re: Caller ID
 
So VOIP is the answer? - ok when ?
There was a trial supposed to be happening in March 2006 - did it ever happen.
What happened to the Ericsson deal for VOIP?
I hope it's better than the Ericsson VOIP system I am just in the process of removing at work! - 3 years on and Ericssons dealers still can't solve the ongong problems - Cisco system installed last week :)

ntluser 20-02-2008 19:07

Re: Caller ID
 
Does anyone know if there is a post code checker that will tell you if Caller ID is available in your area?

BenMcr 20-02-2008 22:35

Re: Caller ID
 
nope but a easy rule of thumb is almost all ex-nynex/videotron/Cable & Wireless areas can't do it

---------- Post added at 23:35 ---------- Previous post was at 23:31 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 34275676)
Is there a list of areas which cannot support CLI?

Is Virgin Media intending to do anything about this problem?

What is involved in providing CLI and what are the main technical obstacles ( part from the vast expense) to doing that?

1) see above

2) not cost effective till soft switches come into play (VM equivalent of BT's 21CN)

3) complete replacement of all switches and line cards. Billing system is not an issue now as all areas are on system designed to bill for Caller Display.

Biggest reason why some areas can't do it is the equipment was designed before Caller Display was thought of for landlines and was not designed to be software upgradeable.

For a feature that Virgin charges £1.75 per month for I am sure it would cost them more than that to upgrade a single line, let alone whole cities

injuneer 21-02-2008 12:18

Re: Caller ID
 
The telephone switches (exchanges)are not the problem, they are all capable of providing Caller display, in fact in a lot of areas the switches are the same manufacture as BT's. It's the multiplex equipment in the cabinets that needs upgrading = Loadsamoney, as stated it's mainly ex-cwc areas that don't work.


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