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Hugh 01-03-2021 12:37
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072431)
Can you give me an example of where you've had usage forced upon you by this mysterious woke campaign?
Well, if you google "Telegraph woke agenda", you will get 832,000 results, so that might be the source (average readership age is 61)... :D

The Telegraph's (et al) campaigns against what they term "woke" is just their latest in their efforts to stoke outrage - in the 70s and 80s, they did the same against Feminism, in the 90s and 00s, it was against the "Gay Agenda", and they just repeat the same tactics decade after decade, trying to make their readership feel threatened and outraged, because things aren't "the same as they were before, when everything was idyllic*.

Also, having a "culture war" is useful for distraction from actual important problems - the Conservatives have been in power for 11 years (nearly), have an 80 seat majority, most of the media slavishly reprint their viewpoints (from a Downing Street/Government source), but somehow the right wing views are "oppressed".

*if you were a white middle-class straight male. :D

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 12:48
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36072440)
Many years ago I was accused of degendering someone when I referred to them as "they". This was on an anonymous forum with no actually indication of what gender they were. I think it was to provoke a response so I just ignored it.
In such circumstances I use "he/she" or "him/her". The woke brigade haven't yet picked me up on that.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072443)
Well, if you google "Telegraph woke agenda", you will get 832,000 results, so that might be the source (average readership age is 61)... :D

The Telegraph's (et al) campaigns against what they term "woke" is just their latest in their efforts to stoke outrage - in the 70s and 80s, they did the same against Feminism, in the 90s and 00s, it was against the "Gay Agenda", and they just repeat the same tactics decade after decade, trying to make their readership feel threatened and outraged, because things aren't "the same as they were before, when everything was idyllic*.

Also, having a "culture war" is useful for distraction from actual important problems - the Conservatives have been in power for 11 years (nearly), have an 80 seat majority, most of the media slavishly reprint their viewpoints (from a Downing Street/Government source), but somehow the right wing views are "oppressed".

*if you were a white middle-class straight male. :D
What's wrong with being a white middle-class straight male?

You may consciously feel that you didn't say there was something wrong. But the sneer was definitely there by associating Telegraph readers such as myself with right wing views.

Hugh 01-03-2021 12:54
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Nothing - but as a group, we may be many things, but we're not "oppressed".

btw, when you say
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associating Telegraph readers such as myself with right wing views.
you were being sarcastic, yes?

Being a Telegraph reader is almost synonomous with being a Tory (speaking as a Telegraph reader of almost 20 years, before I moved on to the Times) - it's not called the Torygraph as an oxymoron...

Maggy 01-03-2021 13:08
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36072440)
Many years ago I was accused of degendering someone when I referred to them as "they". This was on an anonymous forum with no actually indication of what gender they were. I think it was to provoke a response so I just ignored it.
:tu:

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 13:28
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072448)
Nothing - but as a group, we may be many things, but we're not "oppressed".

btw, when you say

you were being sarcastic, yes?

Being a Telegraph reader is almost synonomous with being a Tory (speaking as a Telegraph reader of almost 20 years, before I moved on to the Times) - it's not called the Torygraph as an oxymoron...
What's your point? You are the master of sarcasm (quite annoying, actually).

The Telegraph's anti-woke position is absolutely correct. There are may ways of respecting gender preferences without resorting to woke measures.

Hom3r 01-03-2021 13:28
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
"I can't believe I'm living in a world that is reassigning the gender of a plastic potato."

Hugh 01-03-2021 13:49
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36072454)
"I can't believe I'm living in a world that is reassigning the gender of a plastic potato."
Luckily, you're not... :)

If you were, you'd be stating that a because putting certain items of clothing on to an androgynous piece of plastic gave it a gender (Mr Potato Head), gender is a social construct...:D

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 14:07
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072458)
Luckily, you're not... :)

If you were, you'd be stating that a because putting certain items of clothing on to an androgynous piece of plastic gave it a gender (Mr Potato Head), gender is a social construct...:D
Jeez - you don't half get things wrong (and provocatively at that).

It's a flipping doll (Mr Potato Head), dressed as males dress; hence the Mr. This crap about gender being a social construct is pure nitpicking for no good. OK - so putting mal clothing onto the doll gave it male sex. Satisfied? Jeez.

pip08456 01-03-2021 14:07
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072458)
Luckily, you're not... :)

If you were, you'd be stating that a because putting certain items of clothing on to an androgynous piece of plastic gave it a gender (Mr Potato Head), gender is a social construct...:D
Mr Potato Head still exists. Here's the new packaging.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1614604039

1andrew1 01-03-2021 14:14
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36072462)
Mr Potato Head still exists. Here's the new packaging.
Yup, that's the whole irony of this debate!

All Hasbro has done is to change the branding for the range to Potato Head from Mr Potato Head.

I can understanding it being confusing if one model had Mr Potato Head on it for the range and Mrs Potato Head being the product itself. It could lead to the wrong Potato Head being purchased. ;) This minor re-branding sorts that problem out!

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 14:35
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072463)
Yup, that's the whole irony of this debate!

All Hasbro has done is to change the branding for the range to Potato Head from Mr Potato Head.

I can understanding it being confusing if one model had Mr Potato Head on it for the range and Mrs Potato Head being the product itself. It could lead to the wrong Potato Head being purchased. ;) This minor re-branding sorts that problem out!
You're right, of course. But it has opened the door to the imagination here on the forum.

https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/a...hing_this_fall

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Launching this Fall, the CREATE YOUR POTATO HEAD FAMILY is a celebration of the many faces of families allowing kids to imagine and create their own Potato Head family with 2 large potato bodies, 1 small potato body, and 42 accessories. The possibilities to create your own families are endless with mixing and mashing all the parts and pieces.
Will the 42 accessories be able to conjure up the woke contrivances? The 100 genders (or only 21)? Any cross-dressing obviously possible? Gender queer? Gender fluid?

Do you have to buy two sets to represent gay male/female (they) parents? Must be monetarily unfair to gays.

If Hasbro had just done the rebrand without any fanfair, this thread would be somewhat threadbare.

papa smurf 01-03-2021 14:43
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072453)
What's your point? You are the master of sarcasm (quite annoying, actually).

The Telegraph's anti-woke position is absolutely correct. There are may ways of respecting gender preferences without resorting to woke measures.
Moderately gifted amateur;)

Hugh 01-03-2021 14:50
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36072474)
Moderately gifted amateur;)
If you say so... ;)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072469)
You're right, of course. But it has opened the door to the imagination here on the forum.

https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/a...hing_this_fall



Will the 42 accessories be able to conjure up the woke contrivances? The 100 genders (or only 21)? Any cross-dressing obviously possible? Gender queer? Gender fluid?

Do you have to buy two sets to represent gay male/female (they) parents? Must be monetarily unfair to gays.

If Hasbro had just done the rebrand without any fanfair, this thread would be somewhat threadbare.
Wow, you’re really getting worked up about this, and letting your imagination run riot - you’re secretly the leader of the Woke-ingham Tories, aren’t you, subtly raising the secret woke agenda until others don’t realise they’ve succumbed to it.

I see through your Wokey subterfuges... :D

1andrew1 01-03-2021 14:53
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072478)
If you say so... ;)

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Wow, you’re really getting worked up about this, and letting your imagination run riot - you’re secretly the leader of the Woke-ingham Tories, aren’t you, subtly raising the secret woke agenda until others don’t realise they’ve succumbed to it.

I see through your Wokey subterfuges... :D
Lol at Wokeingham. Apparently, the healthiest place to live in England I believe per the Sunday Times.

Pierre 01-03-2021 15:20
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072406)
Your postings on the subject would evidence otherwise...
That I'm impolite or that I acquiesce to post-modernism shenanigans?


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