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Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067042)

The fishermen need to stop protesting and just get on with the paperwork! If they don’t disclose what is required at the border, what do they expect?

The bigger companies are fairly confident that they are on top of this. If they are correct, the massive delays expected at the ports this week should not transpire, unless these small operators jam everything up.

Government help is available; they should take it and stop whingeing.

:D

Comedy gold, OB.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36067042)

The fishermen need to stop protesting and just get on with the paperwork! If they don’t disclose what is required at the border, what do they expect?

The bigger companies are fairly confident that they are on top of this. If they are correct, the massive delays expected at the ports this week should not transpire, unless these small operators jam everything up.

Government help is available; they should take it and stop whingeing.

You may find this informative/enlightening...

https://twitter.com/daniellambert29/...662987777?s=21

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Over the past 15 days I have not only been running my company as normal but I have been faced with largest threat to its future since it began in 1992. This is #Brexit & here is my thread on just how bad things are getting.

Six months ago my business started to prepare for Brexit. We obtained the following licences and accreditations JUST to maintain the status quo. EORI number, RORO badge for Chief, GBRC number, GBWK number, we already had ARWS and DAN accounts.

All of this took nearly five months a lot of form filling but on the 9th December this was all in place. So I would say whilst we knew Brexit would be a car crash we did not know it was going to be a multiple pile up in the fog with fatalities.

On January 4th I returned to work being wise enough to have stockpiled just enough so that if we had a bumpy ride in January we would have enough stock to last until February. I should add this took a considerable amount of cash flow and management to do this during a lockdown/ pandemic combined with Xmas sales. But we managed.

On my Return in January I started to use Chief for the very first time. It was not possible to use this system prior to Brexit or necessary as it was very simple to move stock in the EU with minimal fuss and delay with the EMCS system.

It’s fair to say it worked like clockwork after 40 years of tweaks to get the system just right. But in Brexit Britain we are very much on our own & so this British system (CHIEF) has now got every product the U.K. consumes in its grasp.
However the problem with CHIEF is that it was built decades ago and was never designed to handle EU imports too! Why would leave a system (EMCS) that works for one that does not?

A CHIEF declaration (C88) has up to 65 boxes to complete. Some of these are very simple like excise number and parties involved on the import. So basic stuff. Others however are very vague codes. CHIEF is there for the Government to collect tax, that is its primary purpose. It’s not there to aid businesses. It definitely hinders business. On this point no debate is required. Most of the other boxes are codes that have zero meaning.

Now unbeknown to me until January all hauliers use secondary software to over write onto CHIEF because is so hard to use. There is currently a 4 month waiting list for new installations of this software which costs £2K all in.

I have been imputing directly to CHIEF which I should add costs £157 per month to be able to access. Yes thats right folks you have to pay to tell the government how much your going to pay them. The first Brexit dividend.

Now after 14 days I finally complete my first C88 declaration but noticed I was paying the 3rd countries tariff. Odd I thought to myself I am sure just three weeks ago the U.K. signed an FTA with the EU to make all goods tariff free. So I used my contacts to find out more.

Now you would think that government would want to make using CHIEF as easy as possible as now there are millions of businesses having to use it.
So you would think that a call centre would be a good idea right? No wrong, this is the ONLY HMRC system where there is no number to call. Just an email with a 5 day turn around. Remember that when government say they are doing all they can to help.

So with the knowledge that government are not interested in making Brexit easy for businesses and in many cases businesses are just trying to survive, we have ploughed on regardless. Again you would think if there is a FTA, CHIEF would apply it to all imports from that area/ country right? Wrong you have to claim it. Unbelievable!

Claiming a tariff free status was yesterday’s game with CHIEF. To be fair deep in the CHIEF files I found the notes to apply the codes to the system required (U 110 followed by AP for example) but problem is after triple checking, CHIEF has not been updated properly.

So once again I can’t import wine via my own means until I wait for CHIEF staff( normally five working days) for them to advise how to correct the problem and complete the declaration correctly tariff free.

So what does this all mean for the consumers? Well to supply the U.K. the exporter need to get a Rex document to prove the origin of their stock to the U.K. government (again, unbelievable). Then with all the additional costs in Paperwork, time wasted, government fees to tell the government how much your paying them and delays in the supply chain it’s obvious price are upward bound.

So this is why I have been saying wine per bottle on retail will increase by at least £1 per bottle for mass market products, for niche small batch wines your looking at £1.50 or even £2.00 on the bottle prices.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067047)

You may find this informative/enlightening...

https://twitter.com/daniellambert29/...662987777?s=21

What has that got to do with the price of fish?

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36067050)

What has that got to do with the price of fish?

It’s to do with small companies (as referred to by OB) getting stuff across the border.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067064)

It’s to do with small companies (as referred to by OB) getting stuff across the border.

I know a man who can help with that;)

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067047)

You may find this informative/enlightening...

https://twitter.com/daniellambert29/...662987777?s=21

That is shocking.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36067079)

That is shocking.

Agreed. The government needs to make the basics work. A good start would be setting up a call centre for this cumbersome database. A medium term solution would be to replace it with something far more user-friendly. These fishermen haven't come all the way down to London in their HGVs for no reason.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36067082)

... and shouldn't be fined.

Re: Britain outside the EU

I'm past caring, no point moaning or protesting about it now

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36067024)

Could you provide some examples, please?

Whilst Old Boy assembles his immutable evidence, many in business seem to be saying the opposite.

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Boris Johnson has told 30 leading chief executives that he will seize “the opportunities of Brexit” and use Britain’s new regulatory freedoms to help rebuild Britain’s economy after the Covid-19 crisis....

The CBI employers’ federation said there was little appetite for the UK to pursue deregulation to create a “Singapore on Thames” after the prime minister asked business leaders this month for ideas on how to cut red tape.

Rain Newton-Smith, chief economist at the CBI, said: “I don’t get any sense from the business community that there is a drive to have a race to be Singapore-on-Thames. They want to ensure we have the right protection for workers, and the right system to incentivise investment.”

https://www.ft.com/content/1c4942da-...e-ea78f73c7f9b

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The CBI has worn its remainer sentiments on its sleeve throughout. Newton-Smith may present himself as an impartial observer of what the “business community” wants ... but he isn’t.

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168% increase in lorries being refused entry into Europe from UK due to not having correct paperwork apparently

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Businesses aren't complaianing about the 48-hour working week as an opt-out can be added to employment contracts. Customs delays and red tape have been the issues to date. And now this.

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Businesses miss out on Covid cash after UK sticks to EU state-aid rules

Companies angry at being locked out of £4.6bn grant scheme because they have already passed agreed cap on support

Large companies have complained to ministers that hundreds of millions of pounds of support is being blocked after a decision to stick with certain EU state-aid rules even though the UK has left the trading bloc.

Some businesses say they have been locked out of the government’s £4.6bn emergency Covid-19 grant scheme announced this month, leaving jobs hanging in the balance as they face an indefinite period of forced closure in the latest national lockdown.

Last year the UK government agreed that individual companies would not receive more than €4m each in grants to deal with the Covid-19 crisis, after signing up to the European Commission’s “state-aid temporary framework”.

The emergency measures initially allowed EU member states to give grants of up to €800,000 to struggling companies before the cap was lifted to €4m.

But some large British companies, including retailers, have already reached the limit from grants used last year — with some not even able to qualify for the higher threshold owing to other criteria — despite having to close down their stores again this month.

Executives are demanding to know why ministers appear to be obeying an EU edict when Britain has left the bloc.

https://www.ft.com/content/6faf5793-...a-1e5bb79b884f

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Some good news. Let's hope the other car manufacturers follow suit.

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Brexit has given competitive edge on car battery tariffs, says Nissan chief

Owner of UK’s largest car factory to push ahead with new Qashqai and says UK leaving the EU has been positive for the company

Nissan has said Brexit has given the company an edge, as the Japanese carmaker said it will buy more batteries from within the UK to avoid tariffs.

The owner of the UK’s largest car factory, in Sunderland, also said it would push ahead with the production of a new version of its Qashqai SUV this year, after it delayed the new model as the coronavirus pandemic wrought havoc on car sales and production.

Ashwani Gupta, Nissan’s chief operating officer, said: “Brexit gives us the competitive advantage not only within the United Kingdom but outside the United Kingdom also.”

Speaking from Nissan’s Yokohama headquarters, Gupta said the Brexit deal had turned out to be positive for the carmaker. The advantage comes because it is not reliant on batteries imported from east Asia, unlike many of its rivals. From 2027 all British and European carmakers will have to source batteries from either the UK or EU, as agreed in the Brexit deal, or face tariffs on their exports.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-nissan-chief

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36067464)

Businesses aren't complaianing about the 48-hour working week as an opt-out can be added to employment contracts. Customs delays and red tape have been the issues to date. And now this.

https://www.ft.com/content/6faf5793-...a-1e5bb79b884f

Nonsense. Germany has consistently spent a great deal more on state aid pre-covid and since. We are nowhere near German levels, so have lots of room to spend more.
Link

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The UK public sector has spent less in business support than most other EU countries. In 2018, the UK spent 0.38% of GDP on state aid (excluding railways, and agriculture and fisheries), while France spent 0.79% and Germany 1.45%.

2018 EU report

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UK 9.2bn Euros
France 18.6bn Euros
Germany 48.6bn Euros

48.6 is just more than a tad greater than 9.2.
Covid related aid

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It is not an even game, however, as richer or less indebted states have more scope to channel funds.
While Germany makes up for about a quarter of the EU’s GDP, it accounts for some 52% of the total value of the emergency coronavirus state aid cleared so far, Commission data shows.
France and Italy share joint second place, each with 17% of the total, and the Commission plans to maintain its hands-off approach till at least the end of 2020.

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Germany granted a €3 billion government-backed loan to sports retailer Adidas, a €1.8 billion loan commitment to holiday operator TUI and is in talks with Lufthansa on a €9 billion rescue package, among others.