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Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36038974)

Black lives matter.

Not to some it would appear

Re: Black Lives Matter

Can we keep this civil please, and members please don’t try to increase the impact of our moderation by losing your rag with the poster you’ve just reported and then reporting yourself. You know who you are.

In any discussion about race and racism, the topic and the language used is inevitably going to be on the edge. Can we please WRITE carefully, and also READ carefully, and try neither to give offence, nor to take it where none was intended.

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36038945)

They’re not the same by any means, but there’s a spectrum of behaviour they both sit on. Churchill had some views about other races and initiated certain actions in empire territories that really don’t look at all good to modern eyes. Had he not led the country to victory in World War 2 his contribution to society probably wouldn’t be seen in the same way at all.

But mainly I’m lumping them together because of the tendency of certain campaigners to do so, if the vandalising of Churchill’s statue is anything to go by.

I think this suggestion is worth considering:

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Scotland's first black professor has again called for plaques on Scotland's statues to give a truthful account of their links to the slave trade.
Sir Geoff Palmer, professor emeritus at Heriot-Watt University, said the move could help educate school pupils and change attitudes against racism.
He previously called for a plaque under Edinburgh's Melville Monument, which honours slave owner Henry Dundas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-fife-52965230

That was what was wanted for the Bristol statue (from February 2018) - this was fought against by a local group, The Society of Merchant Venturers, who say they are commemorating his charity work, rather than his slaving past.

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The city council is proposing to put a plaque on the statue which will recognise and acknowledge the people Colston and others in the city enslaved.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36038972)

How do you determine that then? Or, are we going into some sort of pavlovs dog scenario?

More of a "dog whistle" than "Pavlov's dog"... ;)

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36038978)

Not to some it would appear

And to some people, white lives don't matter. Not sure either relates to anyone on here though.

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36038963)

Are you seriously trying to justify 'Mind your language' as not racist ?

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Black people need protecting from themselves. I've read it all now.

I cant quite believe you've written that utter pile of steaming shit. (mods apologies I'll take the warning or the ban) but this needs to be called out.

It is FACT, they they are overwhelming most likely to be attacked or killed by other black people. The overwhelming majority of knife attacks are black on black. Operation Trident in London was started because on black-on-black gun crime.
Was Trevor Philips wrong? Was Diane Abbott wrong for the reason she sent her son away?

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A 2015 study concluded that murder was the cause of 51.5% of U.S. hip hop musician deaths. The study noted that this figure refers primarily to premature deaths as most hip hop musicians have not yet lived long enough to fall into the highest-risk ages for heart- and liver-related illnesses.

Looking at 2016 FBI figures for single victim/single offender murder cases(ie would tend to exclude gang-related crime), a White person is getting on for twice as likely to be killed by a black person, than a black person by a white person(15% vs 8.5%). So who's more at risk, and from whom? If you add gang-related crime into that, the difference would be a lot greater.

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3 Apr 2020 - Of the more than three hundred people killed in the streets of Baltimore last year, just about all of them were African Americans.

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The researchers surveyed about 900 Black Americans in 2013 regarding their emotions and attitudes about punishment for violent crimes. Before completing the survey, the participants read one of five fictitious news articles about a murder and subsequent arrest. The articles varied the race of the victim and perpetrator.
Burge and Johnson found that the participants supported harsher punishments for criminals when the perpetrator was White. Specifically, participants who read about White perpetrators were more likely to agree with the statement, “The best way to deal with violent crimes is to dramatically increase prison terms for people who commit violent crimes.”
Black people also reported feeling the angriest when the victim and perpetrator were both Black, followed by when the victim was Black and the perpetrator was White. Similarly, the participants reported feeling the most shame when the perpetrator and the victim were both Black, followed by when the perpetrator was Black and the victim was White.

They were more angry at white-on-black violence, than on-white violence. Being angry about black-on-black violence doesn't mean they express that in any way, other than saying so for a study.

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36038919)

3) With hindsight several programs shouldn't have been made It aint half hot mum & mind your language are just two that i can think of, Fawlty Towers is up there as well. In the past few days Keith Lemon & David Walliams have come out and said they wouldn't make those programs now.

You can’t look back and apply today’s standards to historical shows, what you should do is rejoice at how far we have come. But it has taken a generation. Those programmes were made by people born in the ‘40’s, today’s programmes are made by those born in the ‘70’s and ‘80’s.

I watched Trading Places the other week, the much beloved Eddie Murphy comedy and there things in that , racially and sexually, that would not be tolerated today.

Re: Black Lives Matter

Well if this topic is anything to go by, BLM has clearly caused a lot of division, perhaps even made things worse than if it didnt exist.

Going around looting, rioting, and breaking SD rules in the middle of a pandemic is not going to get you much support. That's all the majority of people will remember.

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36039050)

Well if this topic is anything to go by, BLM has clearly caused a lot of division, perhaps even made things worse than if it didnt exist.

A cause like Black Lives Matter was always going to cause division, I think it's advocates knew that. However sometimes you have to have those battles, it's not as if the issues they're campaigning about would have been addressed it they just left it alone either.

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36039053)

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Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36038963)

Are you seriously trying to justify 'Mind your language' as not racist ?

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Definition of racist:

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A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

"Mind Your Language" very skilfully and without being offensive pitched an Indian character alongside a Pakistani character in the setting of a language class. Quite brilliant actually.

It's so easy for people to jump on a bandwagon and describe past comedy that happened to have one or other ethnic angle as racist. Such people should be better thinkers.

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'Mind Your Language' is apparently still popular in some countries

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Even though the series was cancelled in 1979, it continues to be popular overseas, particularly in the countries represented in the series onscreen.

I remember I watched a few episodes at the time of its original run.
It was mildly funny at times, but not overly funny, it was certainly not racist.

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36038980)

please don’t try to increase the impact of our moderation by losing your rag with the poster you’ve just reported and then reporting yourself.

:rofl:

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36039059)

'Mind Your Language' is apparently still popular in some countries

I remember I watched a few episodes at the time of its original run.
It was mildly funny at times, but not overly funny, it was certainly not racist.

I work with a lot of Africans and some of them love Mind Your Language, I've been forced to watch a couple of episodes and it hasn't aged well, it's almost childlike in places

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 36039070)

https://disrn.com/news/monument-hono...matter-rioters

Nuff said.

You don't have to follow BLM to be against racism. I for one do not condone violence or destruction and from what I am hearing from people who support BLM regarding public property or violence then it it not a movement I could support. Doesn't make me a racist though.

Re: Black Lives Matter

If you believe the Hollywood depictions that probably have some truth in them then there is inequality and black people have to work harder to achieve the same level of "promotion" than whites do. But then those that do succeed seem to suffer as giving in to the white society. While some positions are filled by non-whites to fulfil racial quotas most get their because they have worked for it.

While it's good to celebrate diversity it seems that some minority groups want to impose their culture on the majority. This does have some justification if the majority have tried to quash the minority in order to preserve the minority culture but any attempt to impose by force (physical or otherwise) just creates climates of hostility.

In the end though this is all a heart issue. You can change the law, put money in, try to teach and these all are good but unless you change heart attitudes this will always be there. The strong will seek to dominate the weak and with fight against attempts to lessen their hold. The "gangs" do not want to see peace and equality because their strength is lessened. Linked to that is that institutions like the police do attract those who want to impose their authority over others and those can be those that do well at a low level but can't get promoted because checks show that attitude as being unsuitable to have more authority, this can lead to dissatisfaction perception of injustice and this may work out in aggression outwards.