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Mr K 13-03-2016 17:08
Re: More cuts from failing Osborne
 
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Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35826729)
I'm assuming since most of the "anti cuts" arguments have been killed with common sense and fact you're now simply going to revert to total nonsense?
The point is not whether cuts are still needed or not. They may well be because of George's failure with the economy. It's why he continually targets the disabled to pay for tax cuts for the well off (not to pay down the defecit!). I know the answer - its a nasty political move to reward supporters, and punish those that don't support him and are vulnerable. Even conservative voters I know are ashamed of this move and don't defend it. Politically George is a dead duck.

tweedle 13-03-2016 17:25
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35826783)
The point is not whether cuts are still needed or not. They may well be because of George's failure with the economy. It's why he continually targets the disabled to pay for tax cuts for the well off (not to pay down the defecit!). I know the answer - its a nasty political move to reward supporters, and punish those that don't support him and are vulnerable. Even conservative voters I know are ashamed of this move and don't defend it. Politically George is a dead duck.
No one says say "dead duck" anymore, the current phrase is a "Jeremy Corbyn".

techguyone 13-03-2016 17:39
Re: More cuts from failing Osborne
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35826783)
The point is not whether cuts are still needed or not. They may well be because of George's failure with the economy. It's why he continually targets the disabled to pay for tax cuts for the well off (not to pay down the defecit!). I know the answer - its a nasty political move to reward supporters, and punish those that don't support him and are vulnerable. Even conservative voters I know are ashamed of this move and don't defend it. Politically George is a dead duck.
This (and I don't normally agree with K)

nomadking 13-03-2016 17:40
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35826783)
The point is not whether cuts are still needed or not. They may well be because of George's failure with the economy. It's why he continually targets the disabled to pay for tax cuts for the well off (not to pay down the defecit!). I know the answer - its a nasty political move to reward supporters, and punish those that don't support him and are vulnerable. Even conservative voters I know are ashamed of this move and don't defend it. Politically George is a dead duck.
The PIP review was indicated way back in 2012. The INDEPENDENT report that resulted was published in December 2014, more than a year ago.
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The timing for Independent Reviews of the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) assessment process was laid down in the 2012 Welfare Reform Act.

tweedle 13-03-2016 18:29
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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35826792)
This (and I don't normally agree with K)
You always agree with Mr K lol, feel free to find anywhere on here you have disagreed with him.

There was a time I thought ,You, Mr K, Kursk, and ianch99 were the same person. As you all seemed to take it in turns to attack anyone who disagreed with you. You've all now stopped that as you've realised it was not helping you look fair and unbiased he he he.

ianch99 13-03-2016 18:39
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Originally Posted by tweedle (Post 35826806)
You always agree with Mr K lol, feel free to find anywhere on here you have disagreed with him.

There was a time I thought ,You, Mr K, Kursk, and ianch99 were the same person. As you all seemed to take it in turns to attack anyone who disagreed with you. You've all now stopped that as you've realised it was not helping you look fair and unbiased he he he.
It's a fair cop, I am all those people ... aren't I? No wait, maybe I'm not .. then again .. ah, I give up ... who am I?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35826793)
The PIP review was indicated way back in 2012. The INDEPENDENT report that resulted was published in December 2014, more than a year ago.
I am not sure how the fact that they have been planning it for a long time makes it any better?

Taf 13-03-2016 18:41
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Whilst PIP was announced a few years ago, it's procedures and criteria have evolved rapidly from a simple name change to a very Draconian process of test, test and test again. Even for those disabled people who are obviously not going to improve.

Cameron always uses the soundbite "for those in most need" whilst the goalposts move further and further towards the extreme end of the disability spectrum. This is leaving a lot of very vulnerable people exposed.

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

I wonder what he would say about a nation that abandons its disabled members?

ianch99 13-03-2016 18:42
Re: More cuts from failing Osborne
 
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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35826792)
This (and I don't normally agree with K)
and this.

If George is the renowned expired duck then who would replace him that is not from the same policy direction? I have not heard Boris object to the austerity programme or has he?

tweedle 13-03-2016 18:49
Re: More cuts from failing Osborne
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35826811)

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

I wonder what he would say about a nation that abandons its disabled members?
Where is this nation that abandons its disabled? It must be an awful place. Thank god in the UK the disabled will have homes to live in, warm food, free health care,


This nation you speak of sounds terrible.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35826812)
and this.

If George is the renowned expired duck then who would replace him that is not from the same policy direction? I have not heard Boris object to the austerity programme or has he?

You have a freakish obsession with George Osbourne.

techguyone 13-03-2016 18:54
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Meh, I actually started looking for posts where me & Mr K had clashed heads, then I thought sod this for a game of Soldiers, life's too short. It's probably fair to say it's quite unlikely I'll agree with much of the bs tweedle peddles though.

I'm only me, I'm not K or ianch, or Kursk though. Or Osem for that matter.

TheDaddy 13-03-2016 19:14
Re: More cuts from failing Osborne
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35826793)
The PIP review was indicated way back in 2012. The INDEPENDENT report that resulted was published in December 2014, more than a year ago.
I'm always suspicious of independent panels, any idea who sat on it? Wonder if any of them were Gideon's chums :shocked:

tweedle 13-03-2016 19:23
Re: More cuts from failing Osborne
 
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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35826817)
Meh, I actually started looking for posts where me & Mr K had clashed heads, then I thought sod this for a game of Soldiers, life's too short. It's probably fair to say it's quite unlikely I'll agree with much of the bs tweedle peddles though.

I'm only me, I'm not K or ianch, or Kursk though. Or Osem for that matter.
No need to be so nasty, we're having a debate an we will disagree. But nastiness and bullying are not needed.

Osem 13-03-2016 19:28
Re: More cuts from failing Osborne
 
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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35826817)
Meh, I actually started looking for posts where me & Mr K had clashed heads, then I thought sod this for a game of Soldiers, life's too short. It's probably fair to say it's quite unlikely I'll agree with much of the bs tweedle peddles though.

I'm only me, I'm not K or ianch, or Kursk though. Or Osem for that matter.
Well not everyone can be so gifted... :) ;)

GrimUpNorth 13-03-2016 19:58
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If the Government could only be as obsessive about collecting tax as they are about cutting benefits for the disadvantaged section of society. Last time I looked, the best part of £34billion/year could go a long way towards negating the 'need' for the proposed benefit cuts while still giving George a few £'s for tax cuts and possibly even a bit left over to pay off some of the overdraft.

Sadly, until party funding is reformed it won't happen.

Cheers

Grim

Osem 13-03-2016 20:10
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Vote for Corbyn - he'll sort out austerity.

:rofl:


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