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adzii_nufc 19-08-2012 20:45
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
I can see his flight to Sweden ending up in Washington. It would be Hilarious seeing this guy wake up on American Soil.

Tezcatlipoca 20-08-2012 00:43
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35465002)
Trouble is he is well on his way to martyrdom .The only way that can be avoided is for the US to swallow their pride and renounce any claim to him ,removing his perceived need to hide away in the embassy and allowing him to prove his innocence on the sex crimes ,which oddly doesn't seem to be at the top of his agenda
Surely for the US to renounce any claim to him, there would have to be a claim in the first place.

What Assange and his supporters seem to forget is that at no point has the US actually requested his extradition... nor has it even charged or indicted him with any crime.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35465016)
Yes, I'm not sure whether his definition of justice is a moveable feast. I wonder if he selected Ecuador as a potential safe haven because of their human rights record.

Yes. As the links I posted earlier show, Ecuador is clearly a shining beacon of anti-corruption and journalistic freedoms :erm:

TheDaddy 20-08-2012 01:20
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35465163)
Yes. As the links I posted earlier show, Ecuador is clearly a shining beacon of anti-corruption and journalistic freedoms :erm:
There's worse places to live than Ecuador and if Mr Putin ever reads this Justin Bieber and One Direction were just singing nasty songs about you.

Damien 20-08-2012 08:10
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35465163)
Surely for the US to renounce any claim to him, there would have to be a claim in the first place.
Also if the US renounced any claim to him what if he then released some really sensitive information? Giving him blanket immunity simply so he will consent to facing allegations from Sweden? It's not going to happen and he knows it which is why he asked for it. Makes it look like 'somethings going on'. Even if the US did say 'we will not extradite Assange for any of the crimes thus far' will give him a chance to claim that the Americans will instead invent another crime and their 'conditional' promise is worth nothing.

Hugh 20-08-2012 17:33
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
Gorgeous George Galloway has given his enlightened opinion on the sexual assault/rape allegations.

BBC

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"Let me tell you, I think that Julian Assange's personal sexual behaviour is sordid, disgusting, and I condemn it," he said.

"But even taken at its worst, if the allegations made by these two women were true, 100 per cent true, and even if a camera in the room captured them, they don't constitute rape.

"At least not rape as anyone with any sense can possibly recognise it. And somebody has to say this."

Chris 20-08-2012 17:41
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
It's his opinion and he's entitled to it. However, all this discussion of what constitutes rape is entirely besides the point. The Swedish authorities have made a lawful request for his extradition, which the UK intends to honour. End of, as the kids say.

Maggy 20-08-2012 17:53
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35465016)
Yes, I'm not sure whether his definition of justice is a moveable feast. I wonder if he selected Ecuador as a potential safe haven because of their human rights record.
No I'd go with their extradition laws myself..;)

rogerdraig 20-08-2012 19:29
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35463823)
Why would the US go via Sweden? We have proven ourselves very willing to send people over to America and yet suddenly it would be easier to use the Swedish as a proxy? So the US applied pressure to Swedish police who then went to court to apply for a extradition request which was approved. Then he hasto go though all the legal processes of this country to get sent to Sweden where the US will then apply formally for a extradition from Sweden?

Why not directly apply to us?

It may be a conspiracy but if it isn't two women have been denied an investigation while the man they have accused is cheered on around the world as a hero....
i think you will find that if they ever get hold of him they want to have the death penalty as an option if they extradite from here they have to forgo that option as we wont extradite with out that being taken out of the sentencing options where as Sweden don't seem to insist

Damien 20-08-2012 19:45
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by rogerdraig (Post 35465540)
i think you will find that if they ever get hold of him they want to have the death penalty as an option if they extradite from here they have to forgo that option as we wont extradite with out that being taken out of the sentencing options where as Sweden don't seem to insist
Sweden will insist. Not only is it part of their treaty but it's enforced by the European Court of Human Rights. He simply cannot be extradited from the EU with the death penalty as an option.

nomadking 20-08-2012 19:49
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
Just because the maximum sentence is a particular thing, doesn't necessarily mean that is the sentence that is given or even considered. How often is the sentence of the death penalty applied in cases where it could be?

Mick 21-08-2012 19:41
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
Just when a Political row erupts. George Galloway wades in and unwinds his neck....

http://news.sky.com/story/975347/gal...o-assange-case

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Originally Posted by SkyNews
Respect MP George Galloway has defended his comments about the rape allegations against Julian Assange, as his own party's leader and a criminal lawyer slate his statements.
Mr Assange, who is currently holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, is accused of sexually assaulting two women in Sweden in 2010, but is resisting extradition there for questioning.

martyh 21-08-2012 19:48
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35466004)
Just when a Political row erupts. George Galloway wades in and unwinds his neck....

http://news.sky.com/story/975347/gal...o-assange-case
What is it they say "any publicity is good publicity"

Damien 21-08-2012 19:50
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
Galloway really is a moron. There is nothing he won't support as long as they are against the US. A professionally contrarian utterly corrupted by anti-americanism.Wish Christopher Hitchens was still alive, he would be on the warpath about this case.

Stuart 21-08-2012 19:54
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35466004)
Just when a Political row erupts. George Galloway wades in and unwinds his neck....

http://news.sky.com/story/975347/gal...o-assange-case
I think anyone who saw his performance on Celebrity Big Brother would probably assume that George's ideas of sex possibly aren't the same as most people's. He certainly seemed to enjoy playing at being a cat a little too much.

What George doesn't seem to grasp is that (according to the solicitor at the end of that article) having sex with someone who is sleeping is counted as rape as they cannot consent. Also, consent isn't a permanent thing. Just because "woman a" consented to sex with "man b" once, it doesn't "man b" then has consent to have his way with her whenever he wants.

Mick 21-08-2012 19:57
Re: Wiki Leaks Founder Julian Assange granted 'Asylum' in Ecuador
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35466008)
Galloway really is a moron. There is nothing he won't support as long as they are against the US. A professionally contrarian utterly corrupted by anti-americanism.Wish Christopher Hitchens was still alive, he would be on the warpath about this case.
If he is Anti-American, in this video in question, I couldn't help but notice that he had a picture of the Assassinated US President, John. F. Kennedy on prominent display, what is this trying to portray?


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