Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Couldn't agree more :)

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

I knew I'd get him to bite!

Sorry guys!

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The point is I actually agree with shaping/throttling for P2P and newsgroups!

You as usual miss the point totally.

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Well duh! If you break the rules, all bets are off.

Except not really.

Something which is is completely out of VM's contol and therefore irrelevant to the definition.

I'm not the one arguing that "unlimited" doesn't mean "unlimited".

Indeed. Subject closed. By all means have the last word if you like.




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You are indeed a master-baiter; or something like that.

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

If you want to debate the meaning of life, The universe and unlimited will you start another thread please, This one does not need derailing just so you can try to prove a point that has been debated to death on here and is getting BORING

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Here we go.

That would be this rule:

So there is actually a peak time limit on the service, it affects 'less than 0.1% of customers' but it's there.

VM disconnecting people for downloading too much is outside of their control?

This just goes from bizarre to ridiculous. VM are unlimited, except if you break the rules by, err, downloading too much during peak periods, in which case VM can disconnect you without it actually being under their control, and it doesn't affect defining the service as unlimited in any way. Wow to be able to shift the goalposts so much with a straight face must be great.

My first post on this subject was balanced, took account of both points of view, but what a surprise balance isn't satisfactory to you. Once again you follow your usual sycophantic, abrasive and argumentative theme. Had I simply bashed VM fair enough - I didn't. I quite appropriately noted that their service was not unlimited in the sense of having no download restrictions but that it satisfied the requirements of the ASA and Ofcom.

In the name of peace I'll stick you on my ignore list, you saying virtually nothing of value or sense but going out of your way to disagree with people. I've better things to do with my time on here frankly.

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

I didnt reply ignition as in my view your post was laid out fair. You gave a double reply so in affect took a neutral stance.

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic? That would be one thing. Problem I'm having now is that after 10 minutes or so of loading up uTorrent my connection is cut completely and a reboot of the router is required.

Glancing through the thread it seems that there are two sides that are either it is fair to throttle because other users of the service are disadvantaged by heavy users hogging bandwidth or it's not fair because VM offer one thing (unlimited downloads) but then go ahead and limit bandwidth in contradiction of that offer.

Me? I'd just be happy (well not so miffed) if they throttled my service instead of cutting me off completely - I only load up once every few months and if they'd leave it I'd be all done in 10 hours.

I think it would be fair to throttle users that are day in/day out maxing out their bandwidth but that it's unfair to throttle the guy that needs a blast of bandwidth every now and again.

Roughbeast (#163) - enjoyed your off topic comment, I was thinking the same thing.:monkey:

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Unless you, apparently, have had a "three strikes" letter then VM will not have cut you off.

As you can still download whilst under the affects of STM then the service is still correctly described as "unlimited" for reasons given earlier :)

As far as I know VM does not cut their cable customers off without warning; ie the letter mentioned earlier. This is certainly the first I have heard of it. I assume you're on cable and not their ADSL service as that, I believe, has different rules.

My own connection sometimes stops for no apparent reason, requiring a re-boot. Perhaps this is what happened to you?

I completely agree.

I also don't like any kind of STM or whatever. The difference being that I understand why it's there and won't go away just because I want it to :)

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

since this conversation has carried on my view is what VM are supplying is an unmetered service not unlimited. The 2 are different things, the former means wont be billed for usage, the latter means a service without limits. The service does have a limits as STM is usage based and clearly VM are limiting specific usage patterns with the protocol shaping. I acknowledge within the regulators guidelines its unlimited but my own guidelines it is not.

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Sounds like it can't handle the amount of connections you're opening, see if you can lower the global connections and connections per torrent a bit. Each connection uses memory on the router and if it's a bit challenged in this regard it can, and will, reboot or lock up.

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

I used to do about 75-100 per torrent on 50mb. Bear in mind some torrents don't instantly max out the speed you can get from the connected peers. Sometimes you have to be a bit patient.

Obviously setting up a TCP and if the torrent client allows it use a UDP port also, and turn off UPnP in the client settings also.. I have heard some routers can be funny with torrent UPnP.

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Ignitionnet what would you say is a reasonable price per month for a none p2p thottled connection? (being 50mbit down and 1.5mbit up or 5mbit up if you are a lucky git).

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Starting price would have to be about £150pm. It would depend on the cntention ratio. IMHO

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

iv seen people paying more than double that for an 'up to 2mb' 5:1 ratio line. that was about 3 years ago, but still

Re: Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic?
 

Say 50 quid, a quid a meg?