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Link I'd start about half way down the page, if you're interested...

He didn't pardon him for holocaust denial though, he was excommunicated for being consecrated a Bishop against the will of John Paul II.

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A slight aside on that point if I may. When discussions of religious extremism and hatred come up (for example, the Koran-burning nutter, or the Crusades), Christianity gets a kicking from people who say 'I thought it was all about love, peace and forgiveness'. Yet when Herr R. pardons (i.e. forgives) someone, he's lacking moral fibre.

We're damned if we do and damned if we don't sometimes.

(By people that is. Not by God, thankfully. ;) )

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We will not be silenced, Pope tells secular Britain
The Pope strongly criticised the “marginalisation” of Christianity in modern Britain, claiming that churchgoers were forced to act against their conscience in the name of secular equality.


so this tolerance is all a lie then ???



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...r-Britain.html

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That's a fairly large leap of illogic, Papa. Tolerance of someone else's lifestyle is not the same thing as actively supporting it. I imagine the Catholic adoption agencies are a good example here.

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Does having feelings of extreme agression and thoughts of violence whenever Peter Tatchell appears on screen mouthing off make me a bad person?

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he makes my skin crawl BUT he does have imo some valid points ,try to see past the man a listen to the points he is trying to make .
if that fails just bang your head on the wall :banghead:;)

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As mentioned above. He was not pardoned for denying the holocaust, but rather for his unauthorized consecration. The moral fibre that appeared to be lacking was the fact that Mr. Williamson being a holocaust denier didn't appear to come into the equation. (Of course Mr. R. has backpedalled since and claimed 'Ich habe es noch gewusst'*. Now where did we hear that phrase before ;))

(*Yes, I'm being a bit childish here)

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Cheers! I'll have a look at that. I did spend some time on Wiki yesterday, and that broadly confirmed what you said, but it appears the topic isn't entirely uncontroversial.

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according to the beeb -6 people detained -3 premisses searched -nothing found -is it possible i wonder if these people really are just street cleaners .

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As an extension to that, does having feelings of euphoric pleasure when he decided to try to get Robert Mugabe get arrested only to end up getting his butt kicked by his heavies make me a bad person?

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I just had the news on and Peter asked me if that was the Pope, surprised I asked how he knew that.

"well he looks Popish doesn't he"

Excellent :)

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getting pleasure from seeing someone beaten up .

Schadenfreude: Deriving Pleasure from Others’ Pain - does it make you a bad person?. thats between you and your conscience .

“Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good” ;)

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Papal visit: thousands protest against Pope

Organisers of the Protest the Pope event say they want to highlight his stance on controversial subjects, including the ordination of women.

Sex abuse and Catholic opposition to contraception have also been criticised.

The march set off towards Whitehall where a rally will be held with speakers including human rights activist Peter Tatchell.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11355258

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Let him come let him go and encourage at every oppurtunity him to speak because as soon as he does he gets on the wrong side of so many it's unreal. This is an out of date man heading an out of date organisation and unless the latter changes it will not last. If not believing in god makes me a nazi in his eyes so be it my personal conduct over my life has been better then that of many of his priests so what does that make them your holiness.

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the thing is he speaks and millions follow his every word ,he is after all Gods representative on Earth [to Catholics].. to much power in one pair of hands imo.