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Hugh 25-02-2025 08:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://apnews.com/article/musk-trum...5e01ff0c7717f#

Quote:
President Donald Trump backed Elon Musk’s demand that federal employees explain their recent accomplishments by the end of Monday or risk getting fired, even as government agency officials were told that compliance with Musk’s edict was voluntary.

Confusion and anger over the situation spawned new litigation and added to turmoil within the federal workforce.

“What he’s doing is saying, ‘Are you actually working?’” Trump said in the Oval Office during a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron. “And then, if you don’t answer, like, you’re sort of semi-fired or you’re fired, because a lot of people aren’t answering because they don’t even exist.”…

…(Musk) continued to threaten firings hours after employees were told that they didn’t need to comply with his demands.

“Subject to the discretion of the President, they will be given another chance,” he posted on X, his social media platform. “Failure to respond a second time will result in termination.”

Damien 25-02-2025 15:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
There is talk in the White House about expelling intelligence sharing with Canada - excluding them from Five Eyes: https://archive.ph/n4LHE

I can't see the UK agreeing to that at all.

Again, you have to ask if a literal Putin plant in the White House would be doing anything different to what Trump is doing.

Chris 25-02-2025 15:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
That would result in the effective break-up of 5I. Which, I agree, would be exactly the sort of thing you would instruct your asset in the White House to do, if they were senior enough in the administration to bring it about. AFAIK the network operates on the basis of pooling and sharing. What goes into it, goes around all members. It’s unclear to me how it would be possible for one member to cease sharing with one other. Mind you, I’m assuming he’s given this any thought whatsoever. If Trump was one for thinking, he wouldn’t have been stupid enough to misrepresent the French government’s position on aid/loans to Ukraine in a live press briefing whilst sitting next to the President of France.

Damien 25-02-2025 16:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Thankfully I doubt it's going to happen. The UK would probably be able to veto it.

If it did would the other countries find it easier to exclude the United States instead? I wonder how concerned our intelligence services are with sharing information with them at this point.

Intelligence is one of the areas where we're quite valuable to the US IIRC. Our government's lack of concern for privacy means we're used as a loophole for the stuff they are constitutionally unable to do and GCHQ know what they are doing. If America has decided her enemies are her friends and her friends are her enemies then let's see how that plays out in practice.

Chris 25-02-2025 17:03
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Security and intelligence co-operation really is the litmus test of the alliance. Governments come and go and political priorities change but at an operational level there is a very deep level of co-operation particularly between the UK and the US - to the extent that in the hours after 9/11 when nothing was allowed to take off or land anywhere in the US, the only aircraft allowed to fly in was a senior delegation from MI6.

ianch99 25-02-2025 18:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36191809)
Again, you have to ask if a literal Putin plant in the White House would be doing anything different to what Trump is doing.
Talking about Russian assets :) There is a humorous story about Trump being recruited 40 years by Russia and being even given a code name: "Krasnov". The story seems to have been pulled from US web sites:

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2025/...-Russian-Asset

Quote:
So earlier today, the Daily Beast’s Isabel van Brugen published a bombshell story about allegations by Kazakh Spy Chief Alnur Mussayev that the KGB had recruited Donald Trump as a Soviet Asset way back in 1987 under the code name “Krasnov.”

I expected to see this story covered heavily here, but nary a peep, and within hours, it was scrubbed from both the Daily Beast’s site, as well as various other outlets on the internet. There is no retraction on the Daily Beast site, or even any acknowledgment that the story existed, and several republishers have pulled the story as well.

If you go to Google news and search “Trump Krasnov,” you may still find a couple of sites where the story, either in the van Brugen version, or under other bylines, is still up, but they are dropping like flies.
Now, who knows if the story is true or not but the response to the story is interesting ... In fact, the story has been around for a while: ‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy

Quote:
Donald Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset over 40 years and proved so willing to parrot anti-western propaganda that there were celebrations in Moscow, a former KGB spy has told the Guardian.

Hugh 25-02-2025 20:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/whi...am-2025-02-25/

Quote:
WASHINGTON, Feb 25 (Reuters) - The White House said on Tuesday that Amy Gleason is the administrator for Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency.

Gleason, a top Musk adviser, is a former official at the U.S. Digital Service.
AKA "patsy"…

Yet this time last week…

https://techstory.in/director-resign...sks-influence/

Quote:
In a meeting on Tuesday, USDS employees met with two DOGE representatives—Amy Gleason, a former Trump administration USDS official, and Kendall Lindemann, a former consultant at McKinsey & Company. The discussion aimed to clarify DOGE’s vision for the agency following the abrupt terminations.

According to sources, Gleason and Lindemann informed staff that DOGE would take a more active role in managing the organization moving forward. They also stated that all remaining USDS employees would now be considered part of DOGE, effectively merging the two teams.

This marks a shift from earlier in the transition when USDS employees reported that DOGE had intentionally separated its new members from the legacy staff, even implementing a “firewall” between the groups. Before Tuesday, the only DOGE representative attending broader USDS meetings was Stephanie M. Holmes, who had introduced herself as the new HR lead.

Despite Musk’s visible role in pushing the DOGE transition, there is ongoing confusion about who is officially in charge. On Monday, Joshua Fisher, director of the White House Office of Administration, filed a sworn statement asserting that Musk is not the formal administrator of DOGE. Instead, Fisher described Musk as a “senior advisor” to the president, with no more authority than other White House advisors.

This lack of clarity has left USDS employees frustrated. Many have asked for the identity of the current administrator but have yet to receive an answer. During Tuesday’s meeting, Gleason and Lindemann declined to disclose leadership details, deepening uncertainty.

Damien 26-02-2025 08:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
This is quite something. A few months ago the Canadian liberal party, the current government, was something like 20 points behind the Conservatives led by Poilievre.

It was seen as a done deal the next government would be Conservative and Poilievre was the darling of the Western right for how successful he was being against the Liberals and their leader, Justin Trudeau.

They are currently changing their leader, with the Bank of England's very own Mark Carney being a candidate, and have just taken the lead for the first time in 4 years:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/liberals...ime-since-2021

Some of this is probably Trudeau going but most of it appears to be a rebellion against Trump's sabre rattling towards Canada which has allowed Trudeau and the Liberals to rally against him in a way that Poilievre seems unable to do because of his association with 'the right'.

Obviously, it's early days and I think the polling will revert. The Conservatives are likely to win the next election albeit with a much smaller majority than expected. It's still an example of how Trump might disadvantage the right across the western world.

Hugh 26-02-2025 10:29
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
From Trump’s Truth Social…



---------- Post added at 10:29 ---------- Previous post was at 08:50 ----------

MAFA!*

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbn...awi6u5giy@jpeg

Make America Flat Again

thenry 26-02-2025 13:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
That video looks like Grand Theft Auto which is pretty much how it is now. Will they only reject the notion because its not being untaken by a country or person for that matter with strict Islamic beliefs.

1andrew1 26-02-2025 14:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36191849)
That video looks like Grand Theft Auto which is pretty much how it is now. Will they only reject the notion because its not being untaken by a country or person for that matter with strict Islamic beliefs.
There's nothing on the table for anyone to reject.

ianch99 26-02-2025 14:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36191844)
From Trump’s Truth Social…
Loving the bearded ladies :)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=31306

Attachment 31306

1andrew1 26-02-2025 15:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36191851)
Loving the bearded ladies :)
Trump being a Conchita fan was not on my bingo list for 2025!

Pierre 26-02-2025 17:41
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36191851)
I’m sure Hamas loves that kind of thing.

1andrew1 26-02-2025 20:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36191866)
I’m sure Hamas loves that kind of thing.
I think they amongst many others will see it for what it is - the end product of a mind which has seen far better days.

Hugh 27-02-2025 08:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://firstwordpharma.com/story/5938324

Quote:
FDA advisory meeting to select strains for flu vaccines cancelled

An FDA advisory committee meeting to determine the composition of influenza vaccines has reportedly been cancelled, raising concerns that manufacturers won't have sufficient time to produce the shots ahead of the upcoming season.

The Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) was tentatively scheduled to meet on March 13 to discuss which strains should be included in next season's flu vaccine. However, several panel members were notified late on February 26 that it had been cancelled.

"That was the word" that was used, said committee member Paul Offit, a professor of pediatrics at the Children’s Hospital Philadelphia. Offit and other panel members noted that no reason was provided for the cancellation, and there was no indication of whether the meeting would be rescheduled.

"We have this meeting every year. It's how pharmaceutical companies determine which strains to use," Offit said. "I don't understand. We're all just sort of left in the dark. Will manufacturers now turn to the World Health Organization to determine strains for this year’s influenza vaccines?”

The cancellation marks the second time in less than a week that a key advisory meeting has been called off at the start of long-time vaccine critic Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s tenure as Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary. Previously, a meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) scheduled for February 26-28 was cancelled, although the postponement was reportedly made to “accommodate public comment in advance of the meeting."
In totally unrelated news….

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyderx4v8go

Quote:
US measles outbreak claims two lives

A rapidly spreading outbreak of measles in Texas has killed two people, US Health Secretary Robert F Kennedy, Jr, said on Wednesday.

They are the first mortalities from measles in the US in nearly a decade.

One of those victims was an unvaccinated child who died in a Texas hospital after testing positive for measles, according to the state's health department.

Secretary Kennedy, who was speaking at the first cabinet meeting for President Donald Trump's current term, did not give any information on the other victim and the BBC was not able to confirm the death.

The Texas Department of State Health Services reported on Tuesday that it was aware of 124 cases diagnosed since the outbreak began in early January, up from 90 cases on Friday. Almost all cases - 101 - were in patients 17 and younger.

The US declared measles "eliminated" in 2000, but the country has seen outbreaks in recent years amid a rise in anti-vaccine sentiment. The last US measles death was in 2015, according to the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

Hugh 27-02-2025 13:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...e-faa-verizon/

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The Federal Aviation Administration is close to canceling a $2.4 billion contract to overhaul a communications system that serves as the backbone of the nation’s air traffic control system and awarding the work to Elon Musk’s Starlink, according to two people briefed on the plans.

The move to cancel a major contract in favor of a venture led by Musk — who is leading President Donald Trump’s disruptive overhaul of the federal government through the U.S. DOGE Service — would represent a significant test of protections against conflicts of interest in government projects. It would be an especially extraordinary step for the typically cautious FAA, whose systems are vital to the safety of millions of air travelers every day.

The existing contract was awarded to Verizon in 2023, with the aim of upgrading a platform that different air traffic control facilities and FAA offices use to communicate with one another…

… Verizon was tapped in 2023 to build a system called the FAA Enterprise Network Services Program or FENS, replacing a system that dates to 2002. The contract had a 15-year lifespan, and the system is intended to connect some 4,600 sites, according to the FAA.

The agency was scheduled to make a final decision on whether to start paying Verizon for the contract next month, said one of the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Instead, Musk’s team determined the job should go to Starlink, the person said. But the process for unwinding a contract and awarding it to another company is lengthy and has not been followed in this case so far, the person said.

Several senior FAA officials have refused to sign paperwork authorizing the switch, according to the person, who has been briefed on the internal deliberations and resulting fallout, so Musk’s team is now seeking help from the acting administrator of the agency, Trump appointee Chris Rocheleau, and Duffy.

Damien 27-02-2025 20:40
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Starmer and Trump seem to be getting on well. Giving him the King's invite for another state visit seems to have worked.

Pierre 27-02-2025 21:02
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36191955)
Starmer and Trump seem to be getting on well. Giving him the King's invite for another state visit seems to have worked.
Always play the Royal card.

Trump is just a great big golden retriever, Tickle his belly and tell him what a good boy he is, and he’ll love you.

Damien 27-02-2025 21:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
That could not have gone better for No 10. Praised Starmer and Britain, said he probably won't need tariffs and we'll have a trade deal, praised the UK's increase in defence and said we don't need 'backing up' but he would also back Britain if we needed it, said he agrees with article 5 of NATO and praised Ukraine.

Of course Trump says one thing then does another so....

papa smurf 27-02-2025 21:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36191958)
That could not have gone better for No 10. Praised Starmer and Britain, said he probably won't need tariffs and we'll have a trade deal, praised the UK's increase in defence and said we don't need 'backing up' but he would also back Britain if we needed it, said he agrees with article 5 of NATO and praised Ukraine.

Of course Trump says one thing then does another so....
just like Starmer then

Chris 27-02-2025 22:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Starmer sits down in the Oval Office with Trump and knows *exactly* how to stroke the orange man-baby’s ego.

A message from the King …
A message from the King …
A message from the King! (© Lin Manuel Miranda) :D

Damien 27-02-2025 22:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
What comes next is the question.

Hugh 27-02-2025 23:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/u...s-changed.html

Quote:
DOGE Quietly Deletes the 5 Biggest Spending Cuts It Celebrated Last Week

The cuts, highlighted on an earlier version of the “wall of receipts” posted by Elon Musk’s team, contained mistakes that vastly inflated the amount of money saved.

Last week, Elon Musk’s government cost-slashing initiative, which he calls the Department of Government Efficiency, posted an online “wall of receipts,” celebrating how much it had saved by canceling federal contracts.

Now the organization, which is also known as the U.S. DOGE Service, has deleted all of the five biggest “savings” on that original list, after The New York Times and other media outlets pointed out they were riddled with errors.

The last of the original top five disappeared from the site in the early hours of Tuesday, even as the group claimed in its latest update that its savings to date had increased to $65 billion. The website offered no explanation for why it had removed some items or how it had arrived at the higher total. Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, sent a written statement that did not address the deletions, but provided a broader defense of the cost-cutting initiative, saying it “has already identified billions of dollars in savings.”

The “wall of receipts” is the only public ledger the organization has produced to document its work. The scale of that ledger’s errors — and the misunderstandings and poor quality control that seemed to underlie them — has raised questions about the effort’s broader work, which has led to mass firings and cutbacks across the federal government.

These were the original five largest savings on its list:

An $8 billion cut at Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The actual contract in question was worth $8 million. The mistake seemed to stem from an earlier, erroneous entry in a federal contracting database. But contracting experts said that the service should have known better: ICE’s entire budget is about $8 billion, making it implausible that one contract could be so large. The U.S. DOGE Service adjusted the figure on the site after The Times wrote about it, and said in a post on Mr. Musk’s X platform that it had “always used the correct $8M in its calculations.”

Three $655 million cuts at the U.S. Agency for International Development. This was actually a single cut that was erroneously counted three times, as first reported by CBS News. That mistake also seemed to reflect a misunderstanding of the way government contracts work; they sometimes have “ceiling values” far in excess of what will be spent. Experts said this cancellation was unlikely to produce anything close to $655 million in savings even once. Now, the site lists a much smaller savings for these three cancellations: $18 million in total.

A $232 million cut at the Social Security Administration. Here, Mr. Musk’s organization appeared to have mistakenly believed that the agency had canceled a huge information technology contract with the defense contracting giant Leidos. Instead, as reported by The Intercept, it had canceled only a tiny piece of it: a $560,000 project to let users mark their gender as “X.” The DOGE site now shows that small cut instead.

Some of the new canceled contracts added this week appear to make some of the same types of errors.

The largest savings on the latest version of its list is a $1.9 billion cut at the Treasury Department. But The Times reported last week that this contract was canceled last fall, when Joseph R. Biden Jr. was president - and when DOGE did not yet exist.
$12.1 billion of the DOGE reported savings was actually $26.6 million - 0.22% of reported savings.

Paul 28-02-2025 00:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
They almost got the name right, its more DODGY than DOGE.

denphone 28-02-2025 14:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36191959)
just like Starmer then
And most other politicians.

Hugh 01-03-2025 00:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cyber-security

Quote:
The US policy change has also been established behind closed doors.

A recent memo at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (Cisa) set out new priorities for the agency, which is part of the Department of Homeland Security and monitors cyber threats against US critical infrastructure. The new directive set out priorities that included China and protecting local systems. It did not mention Russia.

A person familiar with the matter who spoke to the Guardian on the condition of anonymity said analysts at the agency were verbally informed that they were not to follow or report on Russian threats, even though this had previously been a main focus for the agency.

The person said work that was being done on something “Russia-related” was in effect “nixed”
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/03/1.gif

https://siliconangle.com/2025/02/28/...ssia-planning/

Quote:
U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered the U.S. Cyber Command to halt “all planning against Russia,” The Record reported today.

The cybersecurity publication cited three sources as saying that Hegseth issued the directive last week. It reportedly affects, among other activities, the planning of offensive cybersecurity operations.

Hugh 02-03-2025 13:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1740923416

That slight Earth tremor you just felt was a change in the planet’s axial precession caused by Reagan spinning in his grave…

Itshim 02-03-2025 14:23
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Keep your friends close your enemies even closer

Hugh 02-03-2025 15:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
"There’s one born every minute"

Chris 02-03-2025 16:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
J D Vance got quite the ‘welcome’ to Vermont, where he headed for a ski holiday after that little contra temps in the Oval Office.



Watch at least as far as the first vox pop, on the 55 second mark. :D

Maggy 02-03-2025 17:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192167)
"There’s one born every minute"

:tu:

Itshim 02-03-2025 20:11
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192167)
"There’s one born every minute"
I am sure it would be more than that:p: what ever we think his here for the foreseeable future. Just wondering if he is friend or enemy

papa smurf 02-03-2025 20:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36192179)
I am sure it would be more than that:p: what ever we think his here for the foreseeable future. Just wondering if he is friend or enemy
He's definitely a friend of the enemy

Damien 02-03-2025 20:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192169)
J D Vance got quite the ‘welcome’ to Vermont, where he headed for a ski holiday after that little contra temps in the Oval Office.



Watch at least as far as the first vox pop, on the 55 second mark. :D
I saw someone online point out the contrast between Zelenskyy, who stayed in Kyiv when it was being bombed and the Russians were trying to kill him and Vance, who ran away like a little coward to a different location because he had to face protesters.

How a snide little rat like him thinks he can lecture someone like Zelenskyy is beyond me.

1andrew1 02-03-2025 22:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Loved how Macron and Starmer calculated that calling out Vance's lies whilst at the White House would not have a serious downside.

Maggy 03-03-2025 16:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192183)
I saw someone online point out the contrast between Zelenskyy, who stayed in Kyiv when it was being bombed and the Russians were trying to kill him and Vance, who ran away like a little coward to a different location because he had to face protesters.

How a snide little rat like him thinks he can lecture someone like Zelenskyy is beyond me.
:clap::clap::clap:

1andrew1 03-03-2025 19:08
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36192181)
He's definitely a friend of the enemy
:clap::clap::clap:

RichardCoulter 03-03-2025 21:01
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192183)
I saw someone online point out the contrast between Zelenskyy, who stayed in Kyiv when it was being bombed and the Russians were trying to kill him and Vance, who ran away like a little coward to a different location because he had to face protesters.

How a snide little rat like him thinks he can lecture someone like Zelenskyy is beyond me.
He's a deliberate stirrer too. When Starmer visited Trump he tried it with him by saying that the Online Safety Act was an attack on free speech, thankfully our PM didn't rise to the bait (i'm not criticising Zelenskyy for trying to respond to the outrageous comments made to him though, as there is so much at stake and he'has seen his country destroyed along with the deaths of many of the population).

Hugh 04-03-2025 09:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1741079821

Damien 04-03-2025 09:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Vance dismissing the British Army as a random country that hasn't fought a war in 40 years: https://x.com/antoguerrera/status/1896827304946581995

Hundards of British troops died fighting alongside American troops after they invoked Article 5. Nasty little man.

I don't understand what we did to them that makes them treat us like this

Hugh 04-03-2025 09:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
See my previous post…

Quote:
a bully gets off on being a bully
Non-twitter link to article

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/us-po...aine-jd-vance/

---------- Post added at 09:44 ---------- Previous post was at 09:25 ----------

Very prescient of Bill Bailey (two minutes in, the Star Spangled Banner played in a minor key)



More like the Tsar Spangled Banner…

Damien 04-03-2025 09:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
We in the position that we need to hope Trump finishes his term because his VP really hates Britain.

papa smurf 04-03-2025 09:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192261)
We in the position that we need to hope Trump finishes his term because his VP really hates Britain.
The way the make friends i doubt either of them will be long for this world

denphone 04-03-2025 10:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192258)
Vance dismissing the British Army as a random country that hasn't fought a war in 40 years: https://x.com/antoguerrera/status/1896827304946581995

Hundards of British troops died fighting alongside American troops after they invoked Article 5. Nasty little man.

I don't understand what we did to them that makes them treat us like this
It seems to get worse every day with these muppets.

Chris 04-03-2025 10:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Vance is behaving like a certain kind of internet forum poster from the early 2000s. He just realised he finally has a platform for his opinions, and is sharing them loudly and proudly without any awareness of the fact that people can now see and hear him and find out what a twerp he is.

Damien 04-03-2025 11:09
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
The most unpredictable thing about Trump is some of these decisions make no sense for American interests. Alienating the UK and Europe doesn't serve American interests, but they're doing it because of whatever hold Putin has over Trump. Russia is not a dependable ally for the United States and their economy is quite small but he would rather cosy up to them than us.

Canada is a close ally to them and the tariffs will make America and Canada poorer but he is imposing them because they don't want to become the 51st state.

The UK is going out of its way to still try and be close to them and give Trump want he wants, but they decide to mock the British army just for trolling purposes as far as I can tell.

RichardCoulter 04-03-2025 12:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump has now suspended aid to Ukraine:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ys-2025-03-04/

Lots of people in America, including some of his own supporters, didn't like what he said to Zelenskyy, so he decides to make matters worse by doing this!

thenry 04-03-2025 12:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Can Trump cancel the deal Biden made with Ukraine? 350 billion worth

Hugh 04-03-2025 12:29
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36192277)
Can Trump cancel the deal Biden made with Ukraine? 350 billion worth
A) it wasn’t $350 billion
B) yes

Meanwhile…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1741091169

Re A)

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...ort-to-ukraine

Quote:
According to US federal government sources, Congress has passed five so-called 'supplemental appropriation acts' since the 2022 invasion, allocating $174.2 billion in funds for Ukraine.

Another US government tracker - which compiles data from over 20 oversight entities from across the government - puts the headline sum slightly higher at $182.8 billion. This is because the tracker also includes smaller donations made by other government agencies, such as the U.S. Agency for Global. Media (USAGM) or the Department of Justice (DOJ).

Of this, $182.8 billion pot, only $83.4 billion has been disbursed, with the remaining $99,4 billion either not yet committed or not yet approved for payment.

Other estimates provided by the Berlin-based Kiel institute for the World Economy put the headline figure of total US assistance at 114.15 billion (119.76 billion).

This is because of the Kiel Institute's methodology, which only considers support directly given to Ukraine. It excludes things like money used to replenish US weapon stocks following donations to Kyiv, or funds spent to help neighbouring countries welcome Ukrainian refugees
https://econofact.org/factbrief/does...es-and-workers

Quote:
Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.

papa smurf 04-03-2025 12:54
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36192277)
Can Trump cancel the deal Biden made with Ukraine? 350 billion worth
Here is a simple tip to work out US spending, divide everything Trump says by 3.

Hugh 04-03-2025 13:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
Elon Musk

Quote:
Free speech is the bedrock of democracy.

That’s why it’s the FIRST Amendment.

Without free speech, all is lost.
Donald Trump

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1741094186

RichardCoulter 04-03-2025 13:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
It's the usual MO of a bully, free speech is fine until you say something that I don't agree with or want to hear .

thenry 04-03-2025 13:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Dispersal orders stand firm

Stephen 04-03-2025 13:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Shocking bully boy behaviour. Say whatever you want unless its something I don't agree with.

Chris 04-03-2025 13:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I’m the last one to want to advocate for Trump but is he actually stopping people from speaking freely, or is he pointing out that existing US law, compatible with the 1st amendment, allows the authorities to disperse mobs who squat in college premises and selectively bar students from accessing buildings based on their ethnic/religious affiliation?

1andrew1 04-03-2025 13:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
If it's free speech which Trump and Musk agree with, it's the right kind of free speech and will be permitted on Twitter and in US universities.

If it's free speech which Trump and Musk don't agree with, it's the wrong kind of free speech and is therefore banned on Twitter and in US universities.

If the UK takes action against intimidation and harassment in the UK, then we're anti-free speech according to JD Vance.

Itshim 04-03-2025 13:57
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192283)
Shocking bullying boy behaviour. Say whatever you want unless its something I don't agree with.
Something we see all the time , he just gets more air time. Not forgetting he is a lame duck and vance is canvasing really early :erm:

Chris 04-03-2025 14:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36192286)
If it's free speech which Trump and Musk agree with, it's the right kind of free speech and will be permitted on Twitter and in US universities.

If it's free speech which Trump and Musk don't agree with, it's the wrong kind of free speech and is therefore banned on Twitter and in US universities.

If the UK takes action against intimidation and harassment in the UK, then we're anti-free speech according to JD Vance.
… which doesn’t answer the question I asked.

Again: is he trying to ban free speech, or is he reminding institutions that there are laws governing the right to protest which they must enforce (and admittedly threatening them if they don’t)?

ianch99 04-03-2025 14:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
All depends on the definition of illegal and how law is interpreted. Sometimes what is illegal is nuanced and so can be therefore exploited for political gains with social media spin showing "bad" people "breaking" the law.

1andrew1 04-03-2025 14:15
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192288)
… which doesn’t answer the question I asked.

Again: is he trying to ban free speech, or is he reminding institutions that there are laws governing the right to protest which they must enforce (and admittedly threatening them if they don’t)?
Agreed. I posted seconds after your post so it's not a response to it. Let's see if anyone knows.

Chris 04-03-2025 14:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
:tu:

Mr K 04-03-2025 14:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
The world breathes a sigh of relief for 8 hours each day, when it's Trump/Vance's sleepy time. Then they can't say/do anything stupid for a few hours...

TheDaddy 04-03-2025 14:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192285)
I’m the last one to want to advocate for Trump but is he actually stopping people from speaking freely, or is he pointing out that existing US law, compatible with the 1st amendment, allows the authorities to disperse mobs who squat in college premises and selectively bar students from accessing buildings based on their ethnic/religious affiliation?

But he never mentioned dispersing mobs or squatting or students being barred from entry in his rage tweet, I never give him the benefit of the doubt regarding interpretation because it is always as basic as it looks, besides which he loves a mob, he released a load of 'em pretty much on day 1, also might explain why his wretch of a VP is so keen to do his bidding, he knows what the mob had planned for the last guy who didn't follow the dear leaders orders

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36192292)
The world breathes a sigh of relief for 8 hours each day, when it's Trump/Vance's sleepy time. Then they can't say/do anything stupid for a few hours...
Think they call it owning the libs :spin:

Damien 04-03-2025 16:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://bsky.app/profile/fintwitter..../3ljkskvic5726

Quote:
Canada's province of Ontario will slap a 25% export tax on electricity it sends to 1.5 million homes in Minnesota, Michigan and New York, in retaliation for President Trump's tariffs, said Doug Ford, Ontario's leader.

jfman 04-03-2025 17:41
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Ultimately a trade tit for tat and GDP dip will be reasonably expected by Trump. The real question is what the position is in the months and years ahead in terms of bringing American business investment back to the US.

Hugh 04-03-2025 19:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
27th February

https://apnews.com/article/trump-elo...d9cb03754e81b#

Quote:
President Trump required that “Agency Heads shall promptly undertake preparations to initiate large-scale reductions in force (RIFs), consistent with applicable law.” President Trump also directed that, no later than March 13, 2025, agencies develop Agency Reorganization Plans
March 4th

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-abru...185407582.html

Quote:
In a new memo delivered to the heads of all federal agencies, the Office of Personnel Management ― the human resources agency of the federal government ― says it doesn’t actually have to comply with its previous instructions to fire all probationary employees, or people who have generally held their jobs for a year or less. Instead, per this memo, federal agencies have until Sept. 13 to come up with their own plans for reducing staff.

“OPM requests that agencies not issue any agency-specific rules until such rules have been reviewed and approved by OPM,” reads the revised guidance to federal agencies, issued by OPM acting Director Charles Ezell.

Trump’s walk-back means the heads of federal agencies don’t have to plow ahead with more haphazard firings of essential staff, but it’s not clear what this means for the thousands of employees who have already been fired.

The administration’s new directive comes after U.S. District Judge William Alsup last week ordered OPM to inform several federal agencies that it had no authority to direct them to carry out mass firings, and that such actions were likely illegal.

That ruling has already resulted in some federal agencies scrambling to rehire people they just fired. One of those agencies, the National Science Foundation, is currently trying to reinstate 84 employees it had fired as part of OPM’s directive. One of those 84 people told HuffPost on Monday that he and several of his colleagues learned they were getting their jobs back not from NSF, but from other coworkers and via the press.

Hugh 04-03-2025 20:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
2 Attachment(s)
So much bigly winning…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1741121360

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1741121360

Paul 04-03-2025 21:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
As he continues to be a complete twonker, and alienate more by the day, I wonder what the odds on Trump surviving 4 years are now ...

papa smurf 04-03-2025 21:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36192316)
As he continues to be a complete twonker, and alienate more by the day, I wonder what the odds on Trump surviving 4 years are now ...
He's making enemies by the millions ,I'd say he's on someone's list

Hugh 04-03-2025 22:35
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Well, I can see why he’s keeping on Putin’s good side…

https://www.newsweek.com/buvaisar-sa...window-2038742

Quote:
Russian Olympic Champion Turned Lawmaker Dead After Falling From Window

Buvaisar Saitiev, a three-time Russian Olympic freestyle wrestling champion who later became a member of President Vladimir Putin's ruling United Russia party, was reportedly found dead after falling from a window.

Since Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022, a series of mysterious deaths have claimed the lives of prominent Russian figures, including tycoons, businessmen and oil executives—many of whom reportedly fell from windows under suspicious circumstances.

Russian sports officials said Sunday that Saitiev, a former State Duma deputy of Chechen descent and assistant to the head of Dagestan, had died at the age of 49 in Moscow.

Speaking to state-run news agency Tass, the country's sports minister, Mikhail Degtyarev, described Saitiev's death as "premature and tragic," without elaborating.

Baza, a Telegram channel with links to Russia's security services, said Saitiev "may have fallen out of a window."

A janitor found Saitiev on Sunday in critical condition lying near a residential building on Minskaya Street in the Russian capital. The Telegram channel said the janitor placed Saitiev on wooden boards and alerted the concierge to call an ambulance.

"Notably, Saitiev had no visible injuries or signs of bleeding, initially making the circumstances of his condition unclear," said Baza.

According to Baza, during questioning, Saitiev's brother suggested that he may have accidentally fallen from the window of his third-floor apartment while doing housework.

He later died in hospital, according to the Telegram channel.
Ah, that well-known cause of death - "housework"…

RichardCoulter 05-03-2025 03:01
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36192316)
As he continues to be a complete twonker, and alienate more by the day, I wonder what the odds on Trump surviving 4 years are now ...
Do they have a mechanism for removing a president for behaving like this?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36192320)
He's making enemies by the millions ,I'd say he's on someone's list
Yes, it's inevitable that there will be further assassination attempt(s).

Hom3r 05-03-2025 09:40
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36192325)
Do they have a mechanism for removing a president for behaving like this?

---------- Post added at 03:01 ---------- Previous post was at 03:00 ----------



Yes, it's inevitable that there will be further assassination attempt(s).

I believe its the 25th amendment, but considering that most in the house are trump supporters, it ain't happening

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As Jimmy Carr once said


"When Donald Trump came to power, little did he know.."

Stephen 05-03-2025 09:46
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Bernie Sanders actually speaking a lot of sense here and addressing everything from Trump's state of the union address at this point he sounds more presidential than the actual president.
https://www.youtube.com/live/QlrQKv1vN_4

Hugh 05-03-2025 11:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Amazing how much difficulty the BBC has in saying that Trump lied multiple times during the State of the Nation speech...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3ylpd2n9no

Instead, they say

Quote:
This is misleading
No evidence has been provided for this figure
There is no evidence for a figure this high
BBC Verify is unable to find any evidence for Trump's $350bn claim
Even the Washington Post called him out by stating things he said were "False"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ress-congress/

In what they highlight were 26 suspect claims, they called them

Quote:
These are misleading metrics
This is false (x11)
This appears to be false
There is no evidence
This is absurd
This is unproven
This was not a scam
This is misleading (x2)
This is a dubious figure, and Trump often takes false credit
Trump’s estimate of 38,000 dead is exaggerated
Trump’s numbers are wrong
This is apples and oranges
Q- How can you tell if Trump is lying?
A- His lips are moving

jfman 05-03-2025 12:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
The ability of the BBC to deny objective reality for political expediency isn’t new sadly.

Even if they said it they probably have to qualify it with a statement “Opponents of him would say this however President Trump denies lying and the BBC have been unable to independently verify any claims.”

Hugh 05-03-2025 15:10
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ending-freeze/

Quote:
Divided Supreme Court says judge can force Trump administration to pay foreign aid

The Trump administration asked the Supreme Court to halt a judge’s order to restart nearly $2 billion in State Department and USAID payments for work that has already been done.

A divided Supreme Court on Wednesday denied the Trump administration’s request to block a lower court order on foreign aid funding, clearing the way for the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development to restart nearly $2 billion in payments.

The 5-4 order directed the lower court to clarify what obligations the government must fulfill to global health groups for work already completed, with consideration of the “feasibility of any compliance timelines.”

The decision drew a sharp dissent from four conservative justices who said a District Court judge in D.C. probably lacks the power to compel the federal government to make such payments.
For clarity, the dissenting Judges didn’t think the Government should have had to pay for things /work already done and mandated by Congress…

Chris 05-03-2025 16:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192338)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ending-freeze/



For clarity, the dissenting Judges didn’t think the Government should have had to pay for things /work already done and mandated by Congress…
As there is a conservative majority on the SC, I wonder which one of them wasn’t reading the script handed them by Trump? MAGA denouncement incoming, I suspect …

Paul 05-03-2025 16:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Well he got one thing right, at least in my case - I have (had) never heard of Lesotho.

Hugh 05-03-2025 17:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36192341)
Well he got one thing right, at least in my case - I have (had) never heard of Lesotho.
My son used to take horse-trekkers there from Khotso (in Drakensberg, South Africa) - he worked there for eight weeks between finishing 6th Form and starting University.

jfman 05-03-2025 17:23
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192338)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ending-freeze/

For clarity, the dissenting Judges didn’t think the Government should have had to pay for things /work already done and mandated by Congress…
Is their dissent not that the lower judge was acting outside his authority, rather than a judgement on whether the US Government should honour previous commitments?

The libs are going to have to take back all those bad things they said about Amy Coney Barrett if she - and Roberts - will be better at holding Trump to account than the entire Democratic Party for the next two, if not four, years.

Hugh 05-03-2025 18:04
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
MAGA isn’t happy…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1741197810

Itshim 05-03-2025 18:41
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36192325)
Do they have a mechanism for removing a president for behaving like
Lest we forget he is basically doing what said he would , and unlike the UK government, the majority of voters supported him. Like it or not :(

jfman 05-03-2025 19:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36192355)
Lest we forget he is basically doing what said he would , and unlike the UK government, the majority of voters supported him. Like it or not :(
Ultimately the same people who would never have voted for him (even if they could) are reading the same social media and listening to the same podcasters still outraged that he won.

On the other side of the pond the Democrats need to ensure they don’t fall into the same navel gazing and spend more time working up a compelling policy platform and personalities to run around in the midterms with a view to a candidate in 2028. Efficiently tabulating the number of times he didn’t tell the truth is a tried and tested way to have a message that simply doesn’t resonate with American voters.

Stephen 05-03-2025 19:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192351)
Quite hilarious that they are calling people commies after they've got in to bed with Russia. Oh the irony.

1andrew1 05-03-2025 20:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192357)
Quite hilarious that they are calling people commies after they've got in to bed with Russia. Oh the irony.
Exactly, absolute self-projection there.

Hugh 05-03-2025 23:09
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jud...gs-2025-03-05/

Quote:
Exclusive: Judges face rise in threats as Musk blasts them over rulings

U.S. Marshals have warned federal judges of unusually high threat levels as tech billionaire Elon Musk and other Trump administration allies ramp up efforts to discredit judges who stand in the way of White House efforts to slash federal jobs and programs, said several judges with knowledge of the warnings.

In recent weeks, Musk, congressional Republicans and other top allies of U.S. President Donald Trump have called for the impeachment of some federal judges or attacked their integrity in response to court rulings that have slowed the Trump administration's moves to dismantle entire government agencies and fire tens of thousands of workers.

Musk, the world's richest person, has lambasted judges in more than 30 posts since the end of January on his social media site X, calling them “corrupt,” “radical,” “evil” and deriding the "TYRANNY of the JUDICIARY" after judges blocked parts of the federal downsizing that he’s led. The Tesla CEO has also reposted nearly two dozen tweets by others attacking judges.

Reuters interviews with 11 federal judges in multiple districts revealed mounting alarm over their physical security and, in some cases, a rise in violent threats in recent weeks. Most spoke on condition of anonymity and said they did not want to further inflame the situation or make comments that could be interpreted as conflicting with their duties of impartiality. The Marshals Service declined to comment on security matters.
Quote:
Trump and his White House press secretary also have criticized judges they describe as activists who have issued orders that slowed or blocked some of those efforts.

Asked about Musk's comments, White House spokesperson Harrison Fields said that Musk was speaking in his personal capacity and that the White House has taken no position on whether judges should be impeached. He said "threats against judges are unacceptable, and the president condemns such actions," and that appropriate law enforcement agencies that are tasked with surveilling such threats are doing so.

"The White House condemns any threats to really any public officials, despite our feelings that a lot of these people are leftist, crazy judges that aren't following the Constitution," Fields said. "Just because these people are leftist, crazy, unconstitutional people doesn't mean they deserve to be harmed. That's not how you engage with disputes in this country."

RichardCoulter 05-03-2025 23:33
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Let's hope that there aren't ever any more hurricanes in America:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/01/w...mp-impact.html

TheDaddy 06-03-2025 01:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36192355)
Lest we forget he is basically doing what said he would , and unlike the UK government, the majority of voters supported him. Like it or not :(
Hold on, I thought he said he'd bring the price of eggs down not crash their whole economy, that bozo inherited an economy that was literally the envy of the world and like every business he's ever been involved with he's fecked it, wonder how many of his supporters like that or not

Mick 06-03-2025 07:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36192368)
Hold on, I thought he said he'd bring the price of eggs down not crash their whole economy, that bozo inherited an economy that was literally the envy of the world and like every business he's ever been involved with he's fecked it, wonder how many of his supporters like that or not
The economy was shit under Biden. The cost of living was a major factor that got Trump re-elected. I wouldn’t be so disingenuous about the cost of items at this stage - every day grocery items won’t come down in the short few weeks he’s been in office.

These stupid “Putin has a hold on Trump” comments, many of you forget that Putin still has a hold on the corrupted EU, with them spending billions of pounds on their dependency on Russian fossil fuels, in fact the EU spent more on Russian imports of FF, than they did on financial aid to Ukraine in 2024. So let’s not be hypocrites, especially when the EU is essentially & directly helping fund Putin’s war machine. :rolleyes:

Chris 06-03-2025 07:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
That’s whataboutery Mick. And in any case, political expediency, grubby thought it is, is not in the same category as outright treason. Not by a country mile.

Nobody can say for sure whether Trump really is Agent Krasnov, but it is hard to see how a Russian asset at the top of the US government would behave very differently than he has.

Hugh 06-03-2025 08:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
From this week’s Private Eye

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1741250553

Chris 06-03-2025 09:17
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
Does anyone here drive a Swasticar? :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1741252609

jfman 06-03-2025 09:23
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
The EU should have at least had the decency to pay the Indians to refine their Russian fossil fuels before import. There’s certainly no comparison between who has let down the Ukrainians more between the Americans and the EU.

Hopefully with the UK and EU committing to more defence spending they realise the USA are an unreliable ally and spend that money on this side of the pond. You won’t want the intelligence and systems your weapons rely upon to dry up upon the whim of whoever is in the MAGA hotseat.

Mick 06-03-2025 10:15
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192372)
That’s whataboutery Mick. And in any case, political expediency, grubby thought it is, is not in the same category as outright treason. Not by a country mile.

Nobody can say for sure whether Trump really is Agent Krasnov, but it is hard to see how a Russian asset at the top of the US government would behave very differently than he has.
Rubbish, its not whataboutery, it’s pure hypocrisy !

Putin has a hold on the EU because of its dependency on energy - they’re literally helping to fund his war, far far worse than the accusations of Trump’s alignment with Putin.

Chris 06-03-2025 10:20
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36192382)
Rubbish, its not whataboutery, it’s pure hypocrisy !

Putin has a hold on the EU because of its dependency on energy - they’re literally helping to fund his war, far far worse than the accusations of Trump’s alignment with Putin.
Er no, in a topic-based discussion forum it’s nothing of the sort. You are specifically addressing people who, in this thread, have discussed Donald Trump (who is the topic) as he relates to Putin, while not discussing the EU (which is not the topic) as it relates to Putin.

There’s no hypocrisy here. Just users engaging in a topic-based discussion, making observations about Donald Trump.

Hugh 06-03-2025 10:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Nicole Tersigni

‪@nicsigni.bsky.social‬


you’re fired. wait you’re rehired. email us a list of things you’ve done today wait forget it you’re fired again. come back your job was important. you’re fired. or hired. come in to the office. wait the office has no computers go home.

we are the department of government efficiency.
Not to mention "we're selling all the Government buildings that haven't got enough desks and computers for all the people we are firing/re-hiring/re-locating, oh wait a minute, now we aren't selling them", and "we're imposing tariffs, oh, no we're not, but we might again in a month, or not".

It's almost as if the end-game is to cause chaos and disruption, and then make money out of fixing the problems they caused (not to mention selling short in advance of tariff impositions/reversals/re-impositions).

Mick 06-03-2025 10:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36192380)
The EU should have at least had the decency to pay the Indians to refine their Russian fossil fuels before import. There’s certainly no comparison between who has let down the Ukrainians more between the Americans and the EU.

Hopefully with the UK and EU committing to more defence spending they realise the USA are an unreliable ally and spend that money on this side of the pond. You won’t want the intelligence and systems your weapons rely upon to dry up upon the whim of whoever is in the MAGA hotseat.
This is a joke, all the European spending on NATO Defence is absolutely dwarfed by what the U.S spends on theirs. There is no way on Earth Europe would win a war against Russia with China & Iran thrown in to the mix, without U.S back up, none of the remaining NATO members could ever afford or have the military capability that matches America.

Trump cannot unilaterally withdraw from NATO, he will need congressional approval. A bill was passed in 2020 to “President proof NATO withdrawal”. Previous presidents have walked away from other treaties without a congressional nod, but if Trump tries, it will obviously go through the courts & Supreme Court, only snag is that there is nothing in the written constitution, that requires Congressional approval for withdrawal from a treaty & SC always applies the test, is it constitutional?

But the real bug bearer for Trump is that his current Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, co-authored that 2020 Bill.

jfman 06-03-2025 10:56
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Nobody said at present that the US didn’t spend more than the UK/EU, other NATO members. I only said that with America being an unreliable ally it’s more important than ever for Europe to ensure that defence expenditure is on weapons and systems that can operate independently of American oversight/support.

Production capacity needs rapidly increased over here too (if the premise of increased defence spending is accepted).

The likelihood of anyone going to war with Russia, China and Iran all at once in Europe is extremely low. The ability to bog down one of them would be satisfactory, and the Biden administration gave us the blueprint in Ukraine by resourcing them just enough to stand still.

Mick 06-03-2025 11:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192383)
Er no, in a topic-based discussion forum it’s nothing of the sort. You are specifically addressing people who, in this thread, have discussed Donald Trump (who is the topic) as he relates to Putin, while not discussing the EU (which is not the topic) as it relates to Putin.

There’s no hypocrisy here. Just users engaging in a topic-based discussion, making observations about Donald Trump.
Don’t patronise me Chris. Loads of other people have branched out their discussions in here, as Trump is the topic, the subject matter has a wide ranging area of dynamics for discussion. I am well aware how a forum works.

And I’m making the observation that there is hypocrisy in here & it stinks.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36192387)
Nobody said at present that the US didn’t spend more than the UK/EU, other NATO members. I only said that with America being an unreliable ally it’s more important than ever for Europe to ensure that defence expenditure is on weapons and systems that can operate independently of American oversight/support.

Production capacity needs rapidly increased over here too (if the premise of increased defence spending is accepted).

The likelihood of anyone going to war with Russia, China and Iran all at once in Europe is extremely low. The ability to bog down one of them would be satisfactory, and the Biden administration gave us the blueprint in Ukraine by resourcing them just enough to stand still.
Yes, but all this talk of “Can’t rely on U.S - Europe to go it alone” - I’d be saying fine, can’t rely on U.S but I also can’t rely on any of our European neighbours either, they’ve neglected their Defence spending for decades, because they’ve always seen America as the advantage, as we’ve seen, Trump the “transactional” president demands Europeans beef up their Defense spending.


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