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The penny has indeed finally dropped.

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Wouldn't rule this out from actually happening.

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The Ponzi scheme is done. Population growth has stalled. Life expectancy (before Covid at least) was up. We’ve sold almost everything there is left to sell.

The brutal reality is you either pay for public services through tax, or pay through the nose to a fake free market. People are living longer and despite what is claimed there’s no “side pot”’ for pensions. There’s £3 trn of debt.

There’s no more kicking the can down the road to children and theirs.

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'There are calls for Sir Graham Brady to tell the Prime Minister the game is up'

Newly appointed Chancellor Jeremy Hunt may now be in No 11, but Liz Truss is "beleaguered as ever, if not more so", says Sky's
@joncraig

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1581393733366747136

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As ever their own political survival comes a clear first and its bollocks to the rest of the country.

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Passing the buck...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cking-him.html

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I'm certainly with Old Boy on the second part of this - bring on Wednesday's PMQs!

Maybe Rayner should deputise for Starmer so that it's the effectively-deputy PM v deputy opposition leader. :D

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She was amusing a month ago, now she's just an embarrassment. I don't even think it'll be this bad when Nads gets a turn at the wheel.

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So according to the ticker on Sky News, the treasurer of the 1922 committee says the rules can be changed if a good chunk of MP's want them changed and so far 3 Conservative MP's have publicly said she should go so I think she'll be gone in the next few hours/days. It'll be like the downfall of Boris with the rolling news channels having a counter of the numbers rebelling.

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The Tories must be regretting getting rid of Boris.

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Two evils really, ousted in disgrace or ousted as a incompetent laughing stock, neither are particularly dignified as the last few months will attest

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Unconfirmed reports suggest even Comical Ali is bailing on Truss. No time to waste…

:rofl:

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Not so much regretting getting rid of Johnson, more in appointing Truss instead of Sunak.

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More emergency u-turns today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63281005

Comes before markets open so they must be concerned still

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What odds does she make it until the markets close (in Europe) on Friday?

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Looks like it's worked for now: https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/stat...06435344314369

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Considering her very few then supporters claimed the markets were reacting to other factors than the mini budget it’d have been funny (if she had any left) them clamouring to give her credit for a marginal improvement in a dire situation.

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1% tax cut gone, dividend tax cut gone, energy price cap will stop in April.

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Energy support scheme being cut back to save £bns - price guarantee for households to only remain universal until April 2023. After that it will face some sort of means test. Ironically, Truss was only criticising Starmer in PMQs on Wednesday for advocating a six-month energy support scheme.

I think this may be the least popular measure announced today though, depending on how underlying energy prices work out.

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That could prove disastrous. By means testing it the same families likely to not be covered will be those getting hammered by rising mortgage rates.

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we really need a general election now

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NICs, stamp duty cut & the abolition of the bankers' bonus cap has survived the Hunt apocalypse.

Got to protect the 1% haven’t we. :rolleyes:

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I try my hardest not to swear but by golly I fecking swore this morning

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Was the reason that these weren't reversed due to their nearness to completion as legislation? think i saw something on the news.


I fail to see how Truss's position is even slightly tenable after this morning?

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it really shocking Mick but the far right have control of the tories right now the moderates really need to take back control of them hopefully that is happing now

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Lots of Tories already thinking they have no chance of winning the next GE

my political immaturity would suggest, call a GE now, let whoever deal with he mess and probably fail then come back in five years to try and get another go

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It is like they are writing a black comedy where nearly everyone gets fecked

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Yes, I heard the same too. Ditto the NI reversal or that would have been shelved too.

Agreed.

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BREAKING: House of Commons Speaker, Lindsay Hoyle, has granted Labour leader, Keir Starmer an urgent question to follow Jeremy Hunt’s statement this afternoon.

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Jesus….

Wallace first ?

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Just give the job to Hunt, he seems to be making more sense than Truss ever did.

Even Italy doesn't get through its Prime Ministers this quickly!

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NEW: Urgent Question granted. Keir Starmer to ask PM to explain why she sacked her prior chancellor on Friday.

The question is a design pure on embarrassing Liz Truss and her government, the actual important question is, will she bother to turn up?

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it's just farcical now, we're a laughing stock on the global stage. There has to be an election in November.

I can't believe that I am currently in the position that I would welcome a Labour Government, if only on the basis that at least we may keep the same PM for at least a full term and that they could at least govern.

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From what l hear Truss is not keen to come to the Commons nor are most of her ministers apart from Mordaunt.

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they got to know the game is up now Den so they go in to into hiding

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Whilst you would welcome a Labour government, would you proactively vote for one?

Honest q btw, can't remember if you're staunch conservative or a floating voter.

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I wonder how many Tory seats Reform UK will win

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hopefully none there even worse and more right wing

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All of em :Yikes:

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The answer is no, she won't: https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status...89327105425408

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What a bloody coward she is then.

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She must be about to resign right? It already looked untenable but if she is dodging Parliament then it really is just impossible for her to continue.

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She's probably suffering from PTSD her world just fell apart.

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According to Downing Street Liz Truss will hold a “reception” with her Cabinet this evening, Downing Street says.

You really could not make this up.

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She cannot last the day if she cannot do the most basic parts of her job. Hunt and Mordant just being allowed to audition for the role they failed to get and no one voted for.

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/sta...90314302406657

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Frit is a word Margaret Thatcher used several times.

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totally unbelievable she tried to pretend she was Thatcher mark 2

thinking she could be gone today IMHO maybe why she not going to answer question

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Anyone else getting the feeling things are about to change?

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She's either defected to the anti growth coalition or decided to slug it out using just her charisma and political nous. :erm:

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Yeah another unelected leader foisted upon us l suspect.

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reading this forum and the news on it today has plunged me into depression, just like that

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Absolute lame duck PM. Awful person, awful party. However, if Sunak is installed as PM then it might get even worse long term, as the thick electorate will no doubt be duped into voting these bunch of corrupt, lying charlatans in again.

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l would not class the electorate as thick as once politicians make fools of the public its likely to result in a fair hammering at the ballot box.

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They were duped. You say yourself they were fools. Anyone who voted Johnson in at the last election (after 9 years of Tory austerity and lying) should drop their head in shame.

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Would I vote for a Labour Government?

Not this one.

I most likely wouldn't vote at the next election, or waste it on the Monster Raving Loony Party.

None of the main parties are attractive to me. Unfortunately, all I see now is the Spectre of Brexit. Labour, Tory & LibDem are now all Pro-Remain and will roll over and have their belly tickled by Brussels.

Unfortunately Labour are the only option to for a stable Government right at this moment. It's not an option I like.

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Thanks for the candour.

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Spot on. Don't forget that casino bankers are "special" people:

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Annihilation territory.

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they think the pubic are all so thick away on urgent buisness what another absolute whopper told to parliament

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Penny Mordaunt blaming Starmer for having the urgent question

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The only urgent business l can think of is of her penning her resignation letter or preparing to call a general election.;)

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She’s probably about to surface in Ukraine in an hours time

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Tom Swarbrick on Penny Mordaunt in the House of Commons: 'Her only currency is nonsense and I think she is spending the nonsense pretty well.'

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1582025766220759042

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Apparently she is in the Commons estate.

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Mordaunt keeps saying it's a 'very serious reason' Truss can't be there. Do we think there actually is a genuine reason, i.e personal, or just avoidance?

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According to some sources she is going to make some sort of public statement in the next 24 hours.

Your guess is as good as mind as to what that might entail.

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she just turned up

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I am hoping I wake up tomorrow have a shower and when I get out I find out it has all been a dream

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Good grief you just cannot make this up.

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For the end of that you had Mordaunt answering questions that were for the PM who was sitting next to her

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An advisory council to get more insider information every time they want to crash the economy. :rofl:

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Extraordinary. Absolute batsh1t government that needs to be removed.

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By going awol, today she was less like Thatcher Mark 2 and more of Mark Thatcher 2. :D

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'This Lady isn't for turning (up)'

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Her audition was good but Jezza’s even better. Just need Rishi to give us 20 minutes and we can pick and move on.

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she ran away again


Labour leads by 36%.

Largest lead for ANY party with ANY polling company since October 1997.

Westminster VI (16 Oct.):

Labour 56% (+3)
Conservative 20% (-4)
Lib Dems 11% (-2)
Green 5% (+2)
SNP 4% (–)
Reform UK 2% (–)
Other 1% (-2)

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/s...38729694191616

Re: Liz Truss [Prime Minister]
 

Something must be going on, she must be about to resign.

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The Tory vote is just collapsing because of their catastrophic economic incompetence allied with a deeply unpopular prime minister.

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Err no, it’s collapsing because of the catastrophic economic incompetence of the prime minister.

She was not deeply unpopular before she tanked the currency - no more so than most prime ministers. Nor was the Tory party in the process of tanking the currency or the wider economy prior to her appointment, notwithstanding the inflationary pressures that were (and are) common across Europe.

Pub bore proverbs really don’t help anyone. There are specific factors in play and it pays to at least try to identify them.

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Hunt will not commit to keeping triple lock for pensioners

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The right wing loons have more than had their chance of power. They and their policies have failed making this country poorer for decades.

Whether it be exit from the EU, tax breaks for the rich funded by borrowing, or continually cutting public services. The economy which allegedly should be safe in their hands is a shambles.

At least there are a few adults now in control, even if I don't agree with them. They'll do as a temporary stop gap until we can have a complete change of government. The right can Foxtrot Oscar, the country has more than had enough of them.

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yes agree both much better than Truss i never be a tory but hopefully the grown ups are in full control now till we get chance to vote them out of power hopefully sooner rather than later

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We were almost certainly heading for a recession and higher interest rates in any case.

What she’s done is she’s told us once the drawbridge gets pulled up 99% of us we will get poorer and public services will be decimated while they redraw the tax system to benefit the super wealthy. An atrocious look when you’re in a popularity contest.

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What that looks like in terms of seats. Libdems would become the opposition:-

LAB: 515 (+313)
LDM: 47 (+36)
SNP: 42 (-6)
CON: 22 (-343)
PLC: 4 (=)
GRN: 1 (=)

Labour Majority of 380.
Changes w/ GE2019.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...t-liz-truss%2F

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There’s not a single policy or set of policies that can turn it round for her.

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You’re correct, what she’s done is incompetence on a scale that ought to be impossible at the hands of someone who has managed to attain such high office. That’s not what Den said though, which was basically a boilerplate objection to Tory government, that just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny in the present circumstances. A great many Tory parliamentarians (possibly a majority of them) wouldn’t have made the moves she has. Most of them didn’t even want her to get the job.

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The fact that no one on this forum is defending her anymore tells us all we need to know.

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In a interview with GB News polling expert John Curtice said that historical precedent means the Conservative party cannot win the next election, and that the challenge facing the government was the combination of both Black Wednesday and the 1976 crisis when the Labour government was forced to seek an IMF bailout.

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The nearest modern polling equivalent is the Tory wipeout of 1997. Then, however, Blair and Brown inherited a good and improving economy. If and when Labour enter office, even if that’s not til 2024 and things have turned a corner, they aren’t going to benefit from anything like as rosy.

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Give OB a chance ! Like Lizzie he's probably been detained elsewhere today... ;)

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Liz Truss held crunch talks with Graham Brady before appearing stony-faced in front of MPs

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ory-MPs-latest

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Not sure what the express is smoking but She was smirking and laughing with I think Simon Clarke when she turned up

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Seph, is there a way back for truss ? The tories ?

Would be good to get your thoughts

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Always good to get people’s thoughts !!

So if the party is split could a ‘unity’ ticket even work ?

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Oh dear

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Yeah, that might go. It's already something they've suggested they might cut after the next election and it's such an expense they'll be tempted. If only because they've cut elsewhere so much.

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And realistically how does this play out ? GE? Truss somehow clings on ? The party manages to unite ?