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1andrew1 15-03-2022 10:09
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116630)
Come in, Agent Abramovich, your cover’s blown …
Maybe in other ways too?

Quote:
Roman Abramovich: New evidence highlights corrupt deals


A BBC investigation has uncovered new evidence about the corrupt deals that made Roman Abramovich's fortune.

The Chelsea owner made billions after buying an oil company from the Russian government in a rigged auction in 1995.

Mr Abramovich paid around $250m (£190m) for Sibneft, before selling it back to the Russian government for $13bn in 2005.

His lawyers say there is no basis for alleging he has amassed very substantial wealth through criminality.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60736185

GrimUpNorth 15-03-2022 10:26
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116630)
Come in, Agent Abramovich, your cover’s blown …
If I was him I'd check to see if I was standing on a polythene sheet too!

Chris 15-03-2022 10:52
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36116631)
Yeah, I saw that last night and wondered which source conveniently released that information at this most useful time. I suspect our security and intelligence services are being a little freer with their product than usual.

1andrew1 15-03-2022 13:39
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116633)
Yeah, I saw that last night and wondered which source conveniently released that information at this most useful time. I suspect our security and intelligence services are being a little freer with their product than usual.
Suspect Abramovich's lawyers may have challenged it a few years ago.

In other news, I see that Johnson may have kissed and made up enough with the Telegraph as he has a piece in the paper today advocating the west reclaim control of its energy provision.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...d-gas-12566471

BenMcr 15-03-2022 14:18
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36116640)
In other news, I see that Johnson may have kissed and made up enough with the Telegraph as he has a piece in the paper today advocating the west reclaim control of its energy provision.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...d-gas-12566471
Neither him or The Telegraph seem to acknowledge their own history with Russia



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Beyond

Quote:
Russia Beyond known from its launch in 2007 until 5 September 2017 as Russia Beyond The Headlines) is a Russian multilingual project operated by TV-Novosti, founded by the Russian state news agency RIA Novosti.

Damien 15-03-2022 21:18
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Lots of people across the political (and cultural) spectrum were willing to debase themselves for the Russian cash. People are suddenly pretending it's beyond the pale now but it was 2014 they invaded Crimea. It was 2006 when they poisoned Litvinenko on British soil. Yet still, people would go on RT. 'Johnathan Pie' did a bit for the New York Times on how corrupt London is when it comes to Russian cash. He should know. Politicians from Farage to Corbyn, Galloway to Salmond, would go to the channel as well.

We shouldn't forget those who willingly would peddle the Kremlin's line if they got richer doing so.

1andrew1 15-03-2022 22:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36116654)
Lots of people across the political (and cultural) spectrum were willing to debase themselves for the Russian cash. People are suddenly pretending it's beyond the pale now but it was 2014 they invaded Crimea. It was 2006 when they poisoned Litvinenko on British soil. Yet still, people would go on RT. 'Johnathan Pie' did a bit for the New York Times on how corrupt London is when it comes to Russian cash. He should know. Politicians from Farage to Corbyn, Galloway to Salmond, would go to the channel as well.

We shouldn't forget those who willingly would peddle the Kremlin's line if they got richer doing so.
Agreed.

Russian agents got away with a poisoning on British soil, interfering in overseas elections via social media and invading Ukraine eight years ago.

Meanwhile, the British government was asleep at the wheel with a report on Russian influence buried whilst many former and current politicians cosied up to the oligarchs that commonsense said could not have made that wealth honestly.

ianch99 15-03-2022 22:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36116654)
Lots of people across the political (and cultural) spectrum were willing to debase themselves for the Russian cash. People are suddenly pretending it's beyond the pale now but it was 2014 they invaded Crimea. It was 2006 when they poisoned Litvinenko on British soil. Yet still, people would go on RT. 'Johnathan Pie' did a bit for the New York Times on how corrupt London is when it comes to Russian cash. He should know. Politicians from Farage to Corbyn, Galloway to Salmond, would go to the channel as well.

We shouldn't forget those who willingly would peddle the Kremlin's line if they got richer doing so.
I don't know why you are focussing on Pie, he is a non-entity. Farage, in contrast, was named in Parliament today as receiving £548,573 in 2018 alone from the Russian Govt funded Russia Today. No wonder Lord Haw Haw is trending ..

Mick 15-03-2022 23:58
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36116661)
I don't know why you are focussing on Pie, he is a non-entity. Farage, in contrast, was named in Parliament today as receiving £548,573 in 2018 alone from the Russian Govt funded Russia Today. No wonder Lord Haw Haw is trending ..
And the person who made such a ridiculous accusation, knew what he was doing when he was using Parliamentary privilege, who incidentally, has also appeared on RT, did he receive Russian cash for doing so?

Any way, Farage has challenged the MP to accuse him again outside Parliament so he can sue his arse.

Lastly, I’m getting fed up of repeating myself in this thread.

Farage is NOT the topic.

Making stupid accusations or posting stupid conspiracy theory narratives is not relevant to this topic.

Mick 16-03-2022 10:17
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Maggy 16-03-2022 10:34
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36116661)
I don't know why you are focussing on Pie, he is a non-entity. Farage, in contrast, was named in Parliament today as receiving £548,573 in 2018 alone from the Russian Govt funded Russia Today. No wonder Lord Haw Haw is trending ..
Pie is a comedian..and a lot funnier than Farage who is the real non-entity as far as British politics go.

There's a lot of neck on the Parliamentary benches as far as Russian influence goes but at least Farage pushed himself out of the only parliament he could gain entry to.Thank heavens he never made it into the Commons or heaven knows what he would have done for Russian money to influence God knows what for Putin.

Pierre 16-03-2022 11:19
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whilst I do not think it has been easy in any way for Putin, I look at those numbers and think I would need a bucket of salt to swallow them.

TheDaddy 16-03-2022 12:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36116677)
Pie is a comedian..and a lot funnier than Farage who is the real non-entity as far as British politics go.

There's a lot of neck on the Parliamentary benches as far as Russian influence goes but at least Farage pushed himself out of the only parliament he could gain entry to.Thank heavens he never made it into the Commons or heaven knows what he would have done for Russian money to influence God knows what for Putin.
Over half a million in 2018 alone, how many appearances did he make? Wonder what the others in actual parliament got, call me dave was excusing tennis matches for cash the other day but they really need to look at the full extent of this parliamentary incursion imo, root out any 5th columnists

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Originally Posted by Pierre
whilst I do not think it has been easy in any way for Putin, I look at those numbers and think I would need a bucket of salt to swallow them.
What else accounts for their lack of progress, ineptitude and the weather can only account for so much. The American numbers in terms of deaths are considerably lower but actually include those injured to, which are ridiculously high

Hom3r 16-03-2022 12:03
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116612)
EU revokes licenses of Russian airlines.

The European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) has suspended the license of dozens of Russian airlines, including Aeroflot, S7, Ural, Azur, and others. - Kyiv Independent

This won't matter, as they can just move them to a friendly country.


I worked for a cargo airline that moved from a UK register to the Belgian.

1andrew1 16-03-2022 12:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36116677)
Pie is a comedian..and a lot funnier than Farage who is the real non-entity as far as British politics go.

There's a lot of neck on the Parliamentary benches as far as Russian influence goes but at least Farage pushed himself out of the only parliament he could gain entry to.Thank heavens he never made it into the Commons or heaven knows what he would have done for Russian money to influence God knows what for Putin.
I don't want to take this thread off topic, but Farage has been a huge influence on British politics; he did not need to be an MP to do that.

Mick 16-03-2022 12:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36116677)
Pie is a comedian..and a lot funnier than Farage who is the real non-entity as far as British politics go.

There's a lot of neck on the Parliamentary benches as far as Russian influence goes but at least Farage pushed himself out of the only parliament he could gain entry to.Thank heavens he never made it into the Commons or heaven knows what he would have done for Russian money to influence God knows what for Putin.
What about your buddy Corbyn, being a Putin apologist like Diane Abbott?

Regardless-I’m sure I said above Farage isn’t the topic. If people want go ahead and slander/libel themselves with unfounded accusations start up a different thread, I don’t want to read anti-Brexiteer crap, in a thread about Russia invading Ukraine.

1andrew1 16-03-2022 12:13
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36116690)
This won't matter, as they can just move them to a friendly country.

I worked for a cargo airline that moved from a UK register to the Belgian.
I guess it might delay things whilst the new country processes things. I assume when your company moved registration moved to Belgium it was a scheduled move with minimum disruption; Russia is unlikely to be so lucky.

The issue with planes in Russia is what happens with those leased to Russian airplanes by the West, as they cannot be easily reclaimed.

Maggy 16-03-2022 12:27
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116693)
What about your buddy Corbyn, being a Putin apologist like Diane Abbott?

Regardless-I’m sure I said above Farage isn’t the topic. If people want go ahead and slander/libel themselves with unfounded accusations start up a different thread, I don’t want to read anti-Brexiteer crap, in a thread about Russia invading Ukraine.
Got any actual links and proof?

Mick 16-03-2022 14:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36116697)
Got any actual links and proof?
Absolutely.

It was in the news weeks ago about Keir Starmer threatening 11 hard left nut job MPs who had added their name to a stop the war coalition who were blaming Britain and NATO for Russian aggression against Ukraine.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-b2025240.html

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Sir Keir warned MPs on the left: “Let me be very clear – There will be no place in this party for false equivalence between the actions of Russia and the actions of Nato.”

It comes after leading left-wingers – including key shadow cabinet members during the Jeremy Corbyn-era key, John McDonnell and Diane Abbott – were threatened with the removal of the whip if their names were not taken off the Stop the War letter.

The organisation had accused the UK government of “aggressive posturing”, and said that Nato “should call a halt to its eastward expansion”.

jonbxx 16-03-2022 16:38
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The fact that Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn at one end of the spectrum and Nigel Farage and Arron Banks at the other are Putin apologists blaming NATO for Russias actions is a great example of the Horseshoe Theory in politics.

1andrew1 16-03-2022 18:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36116708)
The fact that Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn at one end of the spectrum and Nigel Farage and Arron Banks at the other are Putin apologists blaming NATO for Russias actions is a great example of the Horseshoe Theory in politics.
I'd always thought that but never heard it was an actual 20th century theory. Thanks for sharing.

I think in the instance you share, Banks' views may be shaped more by his Russian wife and business opportunities in that country than his right-wing politics.

With regard to the FT report below
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A report by the Financial Times about a proposed 15-point peace plan between Moscow and Kyiv only shows “the requesting position of the Russian side”, Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak said.

Podolyak, a senior adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said Ukraine had its own requesting positions in negotiations with Russia.

“The only thing we confirm at this stage is a ceasefire, withdrawal of Russian troops and security guarantees from a number of countries,” he added.
See 16:56 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

Quote:
Ukraine and Russia draw up neutrality plan to end war

Fifteen-point draft deal would involve Kyiv renouncing Nato ambitions in return for security guarantees

Ukraine and Russia have made significant progress on a tentative 15-point peace plan including a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal if Kyiv declares neutrality and accepts limits on its armed forces, according to three people involved in the talks.

The proposed deal, which Ukrainian and Russian negotiators discussed in full for the first time on Monday, would involve Kyiv renouncing its ambitions to join Nato and promising not to host foreign military bases or weaponry in exchange for protection from allies such as the US, UK and Turkey, the people said.

The nature of western guarantees for Ukrainian security — and their acceptability to Moscow — could yet prove to be a big obstacle to any deal, as could the status of Ukrainian territories seized by Russia and its proxies in 2014. A 1994 agreement underpinning Ukrainian security failed to prevent Russian aggression against its neighbour.
https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-...7-802b7fa77ef1

pip08456 16-03-2022 18:54
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NEW: U.S. sending 800 anti-aircraft systems, 9000 anti-armor systems (high accuracy shoulder- mounted missiles), 7000 small arms, ammo and mortars (20 million rounds), Biden announces. In one week Biden greenlit $1 billion in military assistance

Paul 16-03-2022 19:04
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Zelensky has already done his part for not joining NATO.
He keeps asking them for a no fly zone, which he knows he will never get.
As a result, he can blame NATO for not helping at all, and thus they are not really worth joining.

pip08456 16-03-2022 19:23
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A more detailed list of what's being sent.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1647458543

Chris 16-03-2022 19:26
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116716)
NEW: U.S. sending 800 anti-aircraft systems, 9000 anti-armor systems (high accuracy shoulder- mounted missiles), 7000 small arms, ammo and mortars (20 million rounds), Biden announces. In one week Biden greenlit $1 billion in military assistance
They’re also sending an initial consignment of Switchblade loitering munitions (a.k.a. Kamikaze drones). These are very nasty indeed (if they land on you). It’s unlikely the Russians have any defence against them. They’re designed to launch from a tube and loiter over the battle space for a period of time (how long depends on which model it is, the 600 is bigger and has longer loiter time than the 300). The operator can perform target selection based on a video feed then issue the command to drop. They are too small and too fast to detect or evade. The smaller one punches like a mortar and will make mincemeat of non-armoured vehicles. The larger one may be effective against armour also.

I really wouldn’t like to be in the Russian army about now. It is looking more and more like there’s an appetite in America to use the Ukrainians to shred the Russian armed forces. Things are going to get pretty nasty for them in the coming days.

pip08456 16-03-2022 19:29
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International Court of Justice orders Russia to immediately suspend all the military operations that it started in Ukraine on Feb. 24.

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By a vote of 13 to two, with Vice-President Kirill Gevorgian of Russia and Judge Xue Hanqin of China dissenting, the ICJ ruled that Russia “shall immediately suspend the military operations that it commenced on 24 February.”

The court’s ruling – the first such verdict handed down by the ‘world court’ since the Russian invasion began – is in response to a suit filed by Ukraine on 27 February, accusing Russia of manipulating the concept of genocide to justify its military aggression.

Although the ICJ's verdicts are binding, news reports questioned whether Moscow would abide by the ruling, and the court has no direct means of enforcing them.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114052

Pierre 16-03-2022 19:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116723)
International Court of Justice orders Russia to immediately suspend all the military operations that it started in Ukraine on Feb. 24.



https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114052
Quote:
Although the ICJ's verdicts are binding, news reports questioned whether Moscow would abide by the ruling, and the court has no direct means of enforcing them
of course they bloody won’t.

Mad Max 16-03-2022 19:48
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Not a chance in hell will that murdering ******* listen to anyone.

pip08456 16-03-2022 20:26
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Breaking Mayor of Melitopol was released “after a special operation” by Ukrainian forces.

Hugh 16-03-2022 20:28
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116737)
Breaking Mayor of Melitopol was released “after a special operation” by Ukrainian forces.
https://inews.co.uk/news/ivan-fedoro...forces-1521616

pip08456 16-03-2022 20:29
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116738)
Beat me to it. I forgot to post the link.

Hugh 16-03-2022 20:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116722)
They’re also sending an initial consignment of Switchblade loitering munitions (a.k.a. Kamikaze drones). These are very nasty indeed (if they land on you). It’s unlikely the Russians have any defence against them. They’re designed to launch from a tube and loiter over the battle space for a period of time (how long depends on which model it is, the 600 is bigger and has longer loiter time than the 300). The operator can perform target selection based on a video feed then issue the command to drop. They are too small and too fast to detect or evade. The smaller one punches like a mortar and will make mincemeat of non-armoured vehicles. The larger one may be effective against armour also.

I really wouldn’t like to be in the Russian army about now. It is looking more and more like there’s an appetite in America to use the Ukrainians to shred the Russian armed forces. Things are going to get pretty nasty for them in the coming days.
Just read up on those - some scary shit…

And at $6k a pop, very cost-effective anti-armour (light) vs a Javelin at £175k - also, man-portable.

pip08456 16-03-2022 21:07
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116740)
Just read up on those - some scary shit…

And at $6k a pop, very cost-effective anti-armour (light) vs a Javelin at £175k - also, man-portable.
Also possibly turning the screws as well as sanctions to get Russia to back off?

1andrew1 16-03-2022 21:10
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116738)
He seems quite relaxed in the video. Suggests the special operation was not traumatic for him.

pip08456 16-03-2022 21:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116722)
They’re also sending an initial consignment of Switchblade loitering munitions (a.k.a. Kamikaze drones). These are very nasty indeed (if they land on you). It’s unlikely the Russians have any defence against them. They’re designed to launch from a tube and loiter over the battle space for a period of time (how long depends on which model it is, the 600 is bigger and has longer loiter time than the 300). The operator can perform target selection based on a video feed then issue the command to drop. They are too small and too fast to detect or evade. The smaller one punches like a mortar and will make mincemeat of non-armoured vehicles. The larger one may be effective against armour also.

I really wouldn’t like to be in the Russian army about now. It is looking more and more like there’s an appetite in America to use the Ukrainians to shred the Russian armed forces. Things are going to get pretty nasty for them in the coming days.
The Switchblade is technically a UAV so is it in addition to the 100 UAV's or part or whole of it?

For those who want to know what Switchblade is there is a Wikipaedia explanation here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVironment_Switchblade

Chris 16-03-2022 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116746)
The Switchblade is a UAV so is it in addition to the 100 UAV's or part or whole of it?

For those who want to know what Switchblade is there is a Wikipaedia explanation here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVironment_Switchblade
I suspect that when they’re talking about those 100 UAVs they may actually be talking about the Switchblades, although they really are munitions that fly like drones, rather than being drones that fire munitions. When a Switchblade’s target is selected, the entire vehicle powers itself down onto the target, so it’s single use.

pip08456 16-03-2022 22:47
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116748)
I suspect that when they’re talking about those 100 UAVs they may actually be talking about the Switchblades, although they really are munitions that fly like drones, rather than being drones that fire munitions. When a Switchblade’s target is selected, the entire vehicle powers itself down onto the target, so it’s single use.
I'm inclined to agree Chris as politicians and parts of the media don't know the difference.

What do you think of this speech by Putin though?

PHP Code:
https://twitter.com/simonmontefiore/status/1504184497042079755 


Is it real of a fake translation made to look real?

Mick 16-03-2022 22:49
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“In other words, by officially praising Ukraine’s unity and strength today, China has just spelled the end to Russia’s last chance.” - IIIila Ponomarenko - Defence Reporter, Kyiv Independent.

OLD BOY 16-03-2022 23:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116723)
International Court of Justice orders Russia to immediately suspend all the military operations that it started in Ukraine on Feb. 24.



https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114052
Now let’s stand back and watch Putin prove how impotent the World Court is.

Paul 16-03-2022 23:07
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116752)
What do you think of this speech by Putin though?
Translation: "They're all out to get me!". :erm:

Chris 17-03-2022 07:53
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36116755)
Now let’s stand back and watch Putin prove how impotent the World Court is.
I suspect you don’t actually know how it works.

---------- Post added at 07:53 ---------- Previous post was at 07:51 ----------

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116752)
I'm inclined to agree Chris as politicians and parts of the media don't know the difference.

What do you think of this speech by Putin though?

PHP Code:
https://twitter.com/simonmontefiore/status/1504184497042079755 


Is it real of a fake translation made to look real?
For the first time in my life I’m regretting not taking Russian at school (yes, my school offered Russian to GCSE and A level, in the 1980s) …. I don’t know, it sounds plausible, and even if you just watch it on mute there’s something a bit Adolf in his mannerisms.

pip08456 17-03-2022 09:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36116756)
Translation: "They're all out to get me!". :erm:

OLD BOY 17-03-2022 10:33
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116770)
I suspect you don’t actually know how it works.
Well, I do not believe that the World Court ruling will change Putin’s mind or influence him at all. And if it is agreed he should be prosecuted for war crimes, it will not happen while he is in office or while stays in his own country afterwards.

So as I said, it’s impotent.

Chris 17-03-2022 10:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36116782)
Well, I do not believe that the World Court ruling will change Putin’s mind or influence him at all. And if it is agreed he should be prosecuted for war crimes, it will not happen while he is in office or while stays in his own country afterwards.

So as I said, it’s impotent.
And yet you recognise that to avoid prosecution he has to stay in his own country.

For the president of one of the five permanent members of the security council, and a major nuclear power, which has permanent ambitions to play a leading role in geopolitics, to have to stay within his own borders for fear of arrest and extradition, is a major penalty.

Such consequences hardly represent impotence.

Mick 17-03-2022 10:53
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Had this conversation with someone the other day. If Jeremy Corbyn had won 2019 election, he would almost certainly have:

  • Taken UK out of NATO
  • Dropped Trident nuclear deterrent.
  • Cut defence spending, lower size of the Army
  • With the above, made UK a more viable Russian target.
.
And where we are now - Quite possibly, have refused military aid to Ukraine.

Thankfully, we dodged a massive bullet.

Jaymoss 17-03-2022 10:56
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He was a bullet that fit no gun thankfully.

pip08456 17-03-2022 10:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116787)
Had this conversation with someone the other day. If Jeremy Corbyn had won 2019 election, he would almost certainly have:

  • Taken UK out of NATO
  • Dropped Trident nuclear deterrent.
  • Cut defence spending, lower size of the Army
  • With the above, made UK a more viable Russian target.
.
And where we are now - Quite possibly, have refused military aid to Ukraine.

Thankfully, we dodged a massive bullet.
Quite so.

Meanwhile Russia is supplying Ukraine with equipment.

Quote:
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy joked that Russian troops were supplying arms to Ukraine because so much of their equipment has been captured or abandoned.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...out&li=BBnbfcL

Hugh 17-03-2022 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116787)
Had this conversation with someone the other day. If Jeremy Corbyn had won 2019 election, he would almost certainly have:

  • Taken UK out of NATO
  • Dropped Trident nuclear deterrent.
  • Cut defence spending, lower size of the Army
  • With the above, made UK a more viable Russian target.
.
And where we are now - Quite possibly, have refused military aid to Ukraine.

Thankfully, we dodged a massive bullet.
Not a big fan of Corbyn, but none of those things were in the Labour Manifesto.

From Forces.net at the time, a comparison of the two parties.

https://www.forces.net/news/manifest...es-say-defence
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The Labour Party has launched its manifesto.

What is it pledging on defence?

To increase funding for United Nations peacekeeping missions to £100 million.
To maintain a commitment to NATO and "close relationship" with European partners.
To support the renewal of Trident, but to lead efforts to create a "nuclear-free world".
To spend at least 2% of GDP on defence.

Mick 17-03-2022 11:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116791)
Quite so.

Meanwhile Russia is supplying Ukraine with equipment.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...out&li=BBnbfcL
Ukrainian Farmers are doing exceptionally well this year. ;)

pip08456 17-03-2022 11:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116795)
Ukrainian Farmers are doing exceptionally well this year. ;)
And all Tax Free.

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It’s not often that tax can lift people’s spirits but Ukrainian authorities may have done just that, assuring citizens that any Russian military equipment they seize won’t need to be declared for tax purposes.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ed-on-tax-form

Mick 17-03-2022 11:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116792)
Not a big fan of Corbyn, but none of those things were in the Labour Manifesto.

From Forces.net at the time, a comparison of the two parties.

https://www.forces.net/news/manifest...es-say-defence
I don’t know if you fell asleep during previous Labour campaigns with Corbyn at the helm, but he’s on record, saying he would never authorise a nuclear strike, even in retaliation, along with his cronies, Diane Abbott, John McDonnell etc, voicing hatred towards Trident.

Chris 17-03-2022 11:29
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The Spectator is treating that unhinged Putin rant video as genuine.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...alitarian-turn

pip08456 17-03-2022 11:32
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New Lego set.:D:D:D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647516701

Mick 17-03-2022 13:11
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BREAKING: Russia starts to provoke the United States by declaring they have the might to put them in their. place.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...source=twitter

papa smurf 17-03-2022 13:29
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116810)
BREAKING: Russia starts to provoke the United States by declaring they have the might to put them in their. place.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...source=twitter
The USA does have a lot of hospitals and kindergartens for vlads butchers to target,but if it came to a fair fight i wouldn't want to be russian.

1andrew1 17-03-2022 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116810)
BREAKING: Russia starts to provoke the United States by declaring they have the might to put them in their. place.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...source=twitter
Didn't they say something similar to a far smaller country recently and that's not working out well.

Mick 17-03-2022 18:31
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NEW: Russia has moved artillery closer to Ukraine's capital of Kyiv in possible effort to conduct a siege: senior U.S. defense official - Jack Detsch @ Foreign Policy.

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BREAKING: U.S Secretary of State Antony Blinken: Russian attacks on civilians a 'war crime' - AFP News Agency

pip08456 17-03-2022 20:06
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The combined might of professional Ukrainian soldiers and local volunteers in a strategic town located in the south of Ukraine defeated a far greater Russian force looking to seize control.

The town of Voznesensk would have given Russia a gateway to the South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant and a path to attack Odesa from the back.

Instead, a two-day battle that began on 2 March between the Russians and Ukrainians in the town turned the tide against the former.

Russian troops had left behind nearly 30 of their 43 vehicles including tanks, armoured personnel carriers, multiple-rocket launchers and trucks, according to Ukrainian officials, who added that they had downed an Mi-24 attack helicopter as well.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2037837.html

Mick 17-03-2022 20:34
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Italy ready to rebuild Mariupol theater destroyed by Russian military.

“Theaters of all countries belong to the whole humanity,” said Italian Minister of Culture Dario Franceschini.

The theater, used as a shelter for Mariupol residents, was destroyed by Russia on March 16. - Kyiv Independent

pip08456 17-03-2022 21:31
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The Belarusian volunteer battalion named after Kastus Kalinouski will go to Mariupol to help Ukrainian armed forces fight the Russian troops. Many Belarusians are supporting the Ukrainian army. Belarusians are massively joining the defence of Ukraine.

Chris 17-03-2022 21:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36116851)
The Belarusian volunteer battalion named after Kastus Kalinouski will go to Mariupol to help Ukrainian armed forces fight the Russian troops. Many Belarusians are supporting the Ukrainian army. Belarusians are massively joining the defence of Ukraine.
This is interesting stuff … got any linkage?

Mick 17-03-2022 21:46
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Biden: Putin is a 'murderous dictator.'

U.S. President Joe Biden added that Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin is a “pure thug.” - Kyiv Independent.

Paul 17-03-2022 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116852)
This is interesting stuff … got any linkage?
I found this link on wikipedia : https://www.newsrael.com/posts/4zc7zzi6qgu

OLD BOY 18-03-2022 07:53
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116853)
Biden: Putin is a 'murderous dictator.'

U.S. President Joe Biden added that Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin is a “pure thug.” - Kyiv Independent.
Both sides clearly expect the war to be won on who is best at name-calling. Neither side looks good here. Do they think they are in the playground?

Hugh 18-03-2022 09:21
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One side - invades country, indiscriminately shells civilians, breaches International Law in many ways, including cluster munitions & thermobaric bombs

Other side - calls the leader of the country an accurately descriptive name

OB - "neither side looks good here"

Your moral equivalence setting may need some slight adjustment… ;)

Maggy 18-03-2022 09:45
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116871)
One side - invades country, indiscriminately shells civilians, breaches International Law in many ways, including cluster munitions & thermobaric bombs

Other side - calls the leader of the country an accurately descriptive name

OB - "neither side looks good here"

Your moral equivalence setting may need some slight adjustment… ;)
Agreed!

Hugh 18-03-2022 10:20
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Good (mostly) visual summary of the war so far by the FT (not paywalled)

https://ig.ft.com/russias-war-in-ukraine-mapped/

Chris 18-03-2022 10:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116877)
Good (mostly) visual summary of the war so far by the FT (not paywalled)

https://ig.ft.com/russias-war-in-ukraine-mapped/
The FT has announced this morning that it’s bringing all its Ukraine coverage out from behind the paywall for the time being.

Mick 18-03-2022 10:58
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BREAKING: Russia threatens to attack potential supply chains of S-300 air defense systems to Ukraine.

Following Slovakia’s statement that it is ready to send the systems to Ukraine if they are immediately replaced, Russian FM Sergey Lavrov said that Moscow “will not allow” the transfer. - Kyiv Independent.

Did we have to seek consent with them ?

Tut tut, naughty Slovakia.

pip08456 18-03-2022 11:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116852)
This is interesting stuff … got any linkage?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukra...russia/2536964

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/03/...ussia-in-kyiv/

OLD BOY 18-03-2022 11:53
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116871)
One side - invades country, indiscriminately shells civilians, breaches International Law in many ways, including cluster munitions & thermobaric bombs

Other side - calls the leader of the country an accurately descriptive name

OB - "neither side looks good here"

Your moral equivalence setting may need some slight adjustment… ;)
Well, I think it was fairly obvious I was referring to the name calling. Russia(Putin) is the bully who thinks he can do as he likes.

Hugh 18-03-2022 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36116898)
Well, I think it was fairly obvious I was referring to the name calling. Russia(Putin) is the bully who thinks he can do as he likes.
Were either of Biden's statements inaccurate?

'murderous dictator.'

“pure thug.”

Johnson has called Putin a bully and a war criminal - do you feel the same about those statements?

1andrew1 18-03-2022 12:24
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Interesting article on the BBC about the US's new contributions to Ukraine. Well worth a read. Points made in it include:

- Anti-tank weapons are likely to have the most impact in Ukraine as the Russian forces are mainly armoured convoys.

- The shoulder-fired Stinger system is the only anti-aircraft weapon included in the package. It is effective against low-flying helicopters or aircraft at up to about 12,400ft but useless against higher flying bombers. John Herbst, a former US ambassador in Kyiv said weapons against bombers are a serious omission.

- Former US Army Colonel Christopher Mayer said that the transfer of Mig-29 or similar jets by US allies would be an effective way of helping Ukraine fight for control of its skies. He noted that the Soviet Union provided both aircraft and pilots to North Vietnam to operate against US aircraft without starting a wider confrontation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60774098

OLD BOY 18-03-2022 12:29
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116899)
Were either of Biden's statements inaccurate?

'murderous dictator.'

“pure thug.”

Johnson has called Putin a bully and a war criminal - do you feel the same about those statements?
Yes, I do. This only succeeds in mounting up the tension. That’s why we have diplomatic language.

Name-calling tends to indicate a loss of control, which we don’t need with all those nuclear buttons lying around.

Mick 18-03-2022 13:05
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Latest UK Intel of Russian effort via Map detail:-

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647608636

Damien 18-03-2022 13:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36116901)
Yes, I do. This only succeeds in mounting up the tension. That’s why we have diplomatic language.

Name-calling tends to indicate a loss of control, which we don’t need with all those nuclear buttons lying around.
Normally I would agree with you that language is important in setting the tone but we're at the point where Russia is bombing children's hospitals to send a message so calling Putin a war criminal and thug is hardly escalatory. It's putting it nicely if anything.

OLD BOY 18-03-2022 14:22
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36116907)
Normally I would agree with you that language is important in setting the tone but we're at the point where Russia is bombing children's hospitals to send a message so calling Putin a war criminal and thug is hardly escalatory. It's putting it nicely if anything.
Yes, but he is an unstable thug who has become prone to outbursts of anger. It’s better to outmanoeuvre and emasculate him than to provoke an instant reaction to a comment about him personally that he feels is offensive.

Bring the ******* down before you stamp on his head, if you get my meaning.

Mick 18-03-2022 14:34
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BREAKING: China's President Xi tells U.S President Joe Biden during video call conflicts between states 'in no-one's interest' - AFP News Agency

Chris 18-03-2022 14:48
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116915)
BREAKING: China's President Xi tells U.S President Joe Biden during video call conflicts between states 'in no-one's interest' - AFP News Agency
As well they might.

This graphic shows how much China actually needs Russia, in trade terms, compared to other places in the world. Ultimately, China’s interests simply are not served by backing Russia at the expense of the goodwill of the USA and Europe.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647614879

Chris 18-03-2022 15:27
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In case you missed it, Arnie’s 9-minute twitter video aimed at Russians is worth a watch. It seems to be making some headway within the country as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60794809

Maggy 18-03-2022 16:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116921)
In case you missed it, Arnie’s 9-minute twitter video aimed at Russians is worth a watch. It seems to be making some headway within the country as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60794809
Yes I thought it was a well worded thoughtful response.

Mick 18-03-2022 17:40
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BREAKING: Russian Embassy in the UK calls on Government/Ofcom to revoke BBC’s license because RT’s was revoked earlier today:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647624850

Chris 18-03-2022 17:43
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Comedy gold. It’s a pity they don’t like being the butt of satire as much as they like dishing it out:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60745569

Quote:
Russia has accused Canada of "kindergarten-level" diplomacy in a Twitter tiff over a social media post by Canada's United Nations mission.
The diplomatic spat is over a letter seeking support for a draft Russian resolution about aid in Ukraine.
Canada posted the letter to Twitter with "suggested edits", which led to retweets from other UN missions.

1andrew1 18-03-2022 17:50
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116934)
BREAKING: Russian Embassy in the UK calls on Government/Ofcom to revoke BBC’s license because RT’s was revoked earlier today:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647624850
Good to see them annoyed. :D

And great that the UK has now banned RT, though we've not been able to receive it for a couple of weeks due to agile action elsewhere.

Hugh 19-03-2022 09:39
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Russian cosmonauts arrive at ISS in colours of Ukraine flag

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2...fe9eb008d63578

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/03/5.jpg

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Three Russian cosmonauts arrived at the International Space Station last night in flight suits made in the yellow and blue of the Ukrainian flag, in what appeared to be a daring statement against the war.

Oleg Artemyev, Denis Matveev and Sergey Korsakov blasted off from Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan for a six-month stay aboard the orbiting laboratory yesterday, joining the crew of two Russians, four Americans and one German.

In an extraordinary move, the three new arrivals emerged from their Soyuz capsule after docking with the space station wearing bright yellow jumpsuits with blue stripes, instead of the standard-issue blue uniform.

Russian crew members’ flight suits, which they change into on route — ditching the pressure suits and helmets required for launch — are usually packed aboard the spacecraft weeks before lift off.

The colour scheme and its dramatic divergence from usual dress codes drew gasps from Nasa officials and members of Nasa’s astronaut corps. “Wow. Just wow,” said Terry Virts, a former US commander of the ISS.

Jaymoss 19-03-2022 12:38
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Putin has got to feel that hatred towards him

pip08456 19-03-2022 21:13
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Is Belarus about to assist Putin in the invasion of Ukraine?
This from a journalist in Minsk, Belarus (Hanna Liubakova) though I haven't seen it reported elsewhere.

Quote:
11 employees of the Belarusian embassy left Ukraine. The last employee crossed the border today at 9 am. This is quite worrying

Hugh 19-03-2022 21:26
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36117054)
Is Belarus about to assist Putin in the invasion of Ukraine?
This from a journalist in Minsk, Belarus (Hanna Liubakova) though I haven't seen it reported elsewhere.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-701765

Quote:
The Belarusian Ambassador to Ukraine Igor Sokil stated that the embassy has completed the evacuation of its staff, according to Belarusian state agency BelTA.

The ambassador cited "intolerable working conditions" as the reasoning for the evacuation - in particular, all financial accounts of the embassy were blocked, and the embassy staff allegedly faced "threats of physical violence."

RichardCoulter 19-03-2022 21:48
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116934)
BREAKING: Russian Embassy in the UK calls on Government/Ofcom to revoke BBC’s license because RT’s was revoked earlier today:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647624850
They ought to watch what they say. Considering current circumstances, the fact that they are living in our country and the fact that there is bound to (wrongly) be some general anti Russian feeling amongst the population of the UK, they could be targeted with violent or non violent direct action.

Sephiroth 19-03-2022 23:26
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It was a disgrace to revoke RT's licence. It should be on air so we can see what (rubbish) they are saying. Free speech is everything and RT wouldn't incite any violence in the UK.

RichardCoulter 19-03-2022 23:43
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The late BBC1 news reported that the mayor of (Maripol?) says that several thousand captured residents (mainly women & children, but particular interest was taken in taking away young men) have forcibly been deported to Russia. Some have been taken to remote Russian cities and the whereabouts of others is unknown.

Russia says that thousands of people have asked to be taken to Russia.

The BBC said that, again, there are two different narratives and that they have not been able to independently verify the situation.

Are soldiers allowed to take away civilians, or would this be another war crime? If true, this is getting more and more like WWII all the time.

It's been said that NATO is several times more powerful than Russia. It's a shame they can't go into Russia and tell the Russian people that they have nothing to fear and that they only want Putin and anyone else connected to the terrible things that he's done. I suppose they're afraid that he'll send out a nuclear bomb before they get chance to find him though.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36117064)
It was a disgrace to revoke RT's licence. It should be on air so we can see what (rubbish) they are saying. Free speech is everything and RT wouldn't incite any violence in the UK.
Ofcom had no choice because they breached the broadcasting code and had 27 complaints outstanding.

We know they're talking rubbish, but the trouble is that some will believe it. It was shocking that such blatant propaganda was being beamed into British homes.

Free speech also carries responsibilities and standards of appropriateness, truth being high up the list.

TheDaddy 20-03-2022 05:24
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116693)
I don’t want to read anti-Brexiteer crap, in a thread about Russia invading Ukraine.
Shame you weren't about to give bozo this advice, he compared the Ukranians struggle to Brexit yesterday. He's going to get a lot if heat over it and rightly so, the fact it detracts from a message to China makes it worse, such an idiotic, juvenile thing to say, as well as being about as different and wrong as you can be to boot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116976)
Apparently that just so happens to be the colours of the university they all went to, is that true I don't know but I suspect they would have had their suits sorted out before the invasion started?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116630)
Come in, Agent Abramovich, your cover’s blown …
Seems he doesn't want to sell to anyone whose country has sanctioned Russia, that just might make finding a buyer considerably harder unless there's any Martians considering a bid as apparently even the Chinese are quietly joining in now on their own terms

---------- Post added at 05:24 ---------- Previous post was at 05:18 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36117064)
It was a disgrace to revoke RT's licence. It should be on air so we can see what (rubbish) they are saying. Free speech is everything and RT wouldn't incite any violence in the UK.
I remember listening to a translated Russian radio news broadcast from the cold War where they said riots had broken out in the food queues and we were all starving, wish I'd paid more attention but I was a very small boy at the time, my mother found it very amusing though.

pip08456 20-03-2022 10:52
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Ukraine hasn't been able to confirm the type of the missile.

But unnamed U.S. officials told CNN that Russia had indeed launched hypersonic missiles against Ukraine, the first known use of such missiles in combat.

Kyiv Independant.

---------- Post added at 10:52 ---------- Previous post was at 10:14 ----------

There are so many dead & wounded Russian soldiers in Homel region, Belarus, that they've started loading corpses on trains at night "so as not to attract attention." 2,500 KIA sent back to Russia, hospital staff say. That's 5x the official number.

https://www.rferl.org/a/belarus-morg...wZhlId3wXLW_Uw

1andrew1 20-03-2022 17:07
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Belarusian railway workers today sabotaged the railway lines leading to Ukraine, making it impossible for the Russians to resupply by train.

The Russian logistics situation near Kyiv just went from bad to worse.

It’s the largest sabotage action in Belarus so far during this war.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...60472492347395

pip08456 20-03-2022 21:36
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36117071)
Shame you weren't about to give bozo this advice, he compared the Ukranians struggle to Brexit yesterday. He's going to get a lot if heat over it and rightly so, the fact it detracts from a message to China makes it worse, such an idiotic, juvenile thing to say, as well as being about as different and wrong as you can be to boot



Apparently that just so happens to be the colours of the university they all went to, is that true I don't know but I suspect they would have had their suits sorted out before the invasion started?



Seems he doesn't want to sell to anyone whose country has sanctioned Russia, that just might make finding a buyer considerably harder unless there's any Martians considering a bid as apparently even the Chinese are quietly joining in now on their own terms

---------- Post added at 05:24 ---------- Previous post was at 05:18 ----------



I remember listening to a translated Russian radio news broadcast from the cold War where they said riots had broken out in the food queues and we were all starving, wish I'd paid more attention but I was a very small boy at the time, my mother found it very amusing though.
I would've thought if it were the University colours one of the cosmonaughts would have just said so instead of this.

Quote:
On Saturday (March 19), the Russian space agency released a statement quoting Artemyev responding to questions about the Ukraine-flag color choice: "There is no need to look for any hidden signs or symbols in our uniform. A colour is simply a colour. It is not in any way connected to Ukraine. Otherwise, we would have to recognise its rights to the yellow sun in the blue sky," Artemyev said. "These days, even though we are in space, we are together with our president and our people!"
https://www.livescience.com/why-russ...ne-flag-colors

TheDaddy 20-03-2022 22:08
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36117130)
I would've thought if it were the University colours one of the cosmonaughts would have just said so instead of this.



https://www.livescience.com/why-russ...ne-flag-colors
I'd have thought they had their suits sorted out before the invasion started but as you're interested I take it you looked up the university, just to be sure? Bauman Moscow State Technical University.

pip08456 20-03-2022 22:46
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I'd have thought they had their suits sorted out before the invasion started but as you're interested I take it you looked up the university, just to be sure? Bauman Moscow State Technical University.
Why look up the university? You said you didn't know if it was true. I merely quoted a Cosmonaught statement on it and opined if it were the university colours why didn't he just say so.

BTW they aren't technically suits, just akin to overalls, but yes I do think they are ordered weeks in advance. There isn't anything special about them though and could have been replaced at short notice.

On another note those pesky Ukrainian farmers are at it again.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1647816312

pip08456 21-03-2022 01:22
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Ukraine rejects Russia's demand to surrender Mariupol.

Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk responded to Russia by stating that surrender is not an option. The letter from Russia’s Defense Ministry said it would only establish a humanitarian corridor if Mariupol surrenders.

Source The Kyiv Independant.

This is recommended viewing of Putins viewpoint. Not the only one either.

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/stat...01691924135937

Sirius 21-03-2022 07:05
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116871)
Your moral equivalence setting may need some slight adjustment… ;)
:LOL:

Chris 21-03-2022 07:44
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36117139)
Ukraine rejects Russia's demand to surrender Mariupol.

Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk responded to Russia by stating that surrender is not an option. The letter from Russia’s Defense Ministry said it would only establish a humanitarian corridor if Mariupol surrenders.

Source The Kyiv Independant.

This is recommended viewing of Putins viewpoint. Not the only one either.

https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/stat...01691924135937
From Twatter:

“ What happens around Mariupol in the next few days should reveal alot about the state of the Russian Army--in a ghastly way. The 'demand' that the city be surrendered was really a plea. Saying to the Ukrainians, 'we really dont want to send our army into the town.'” - Phillips O’Brien, Professor of Strategic Studies at St Andrews. One of the highly illuminating academics I’ve been following over the past few weeks.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/...403091464?s=21


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