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Hugh 14-07-2020 19:27
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36043450)
Are you really trying to say that there isn't a massive anti-white agenda and hysteria out there?:rolleyes:
Just one example.
Yes, I am - what there is is a massive Fox News driven agenda and hysteria to make it seem there is an "anti-white" agenda, hoping fearful people will be willing to accept a scapegoat for all their problems, rather than questioning why they really have problems.

I agree there are some examples of over-compensation, but to inflate these occurrences to a "massive anti-white" really makes you "non-woke*" - that's like saying EDL and BNP marches are representative of the majority of people in the UK.


*thank you, Sephiroth... ;)

nomadking 14-07-2020 20:03
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36043461)
Yes, I am - what there is is a massive Fox News driven agenda and hysteria to make it seem there is an "anti-white" agenda, hoping fearful people will be willing to accept a scapegoat for all their problems, rather than questioning why they really have problems.

I agree there are some examples of over-compensation, but to inflate these occurrences to a "massive anti-white" really makes you "non-woke*" - that's like saying EDL and BNP marches are representative of the majority of people in the UK.


*thank you, Sephiroth... ;)
1) Not just Fox news reporting it.
2) It WASN'T FOX News that uncovered it.
From the article
Quote:
Christopher F. Rufo, an editor for City Journal and director of the Discovery Institute’s Center on Wealth and Poverty, said he filed a public records request regarding the training session. On Monday, he published copies of the materials distributed to employees in the session on his Twitter account.
3) The event was REAL.
4) Everything is being ludicrously blamed on White people.
Link
Quote:
Countryfile has sparked a debate on racism with a story suggesting people from the BAME community feel unwelcome in the countryside.
Last night, the BBC show aired a piece fronted by Dwayne Fields in which he investigated a report by Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).
The report, published last year, focused on how people from black, Asian or minority ethnic communities as well as white people felt the UK's national parks are very much a "white environment".
During the segment, Dwayne explained: "When I talk to people from the BAME community, it's clear that they don't view the UK countryside as somewhere that's for them.
5) "Just one example" does not meant there aren't THOUSANDS of others.
Just try searching for the term "affinity caucus".
Link
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We facilitate transformational shifts between people and in communities; families, neighborhoods, schools, organizations, or religious/ spiritual spaces where there has been racialized harm and cultural conflict. We dissect whiteness and white culture and support a collective shift towards accountability, integrity and love.
From 2012.
Quote:
Racial affinity group meetings, or caucuses, can be effective tools for human service agencies to address cultural responsiveness or shift their organizational paradigm toward antiracism. The development of such caucuses is seldom undertaken, however, often due to concerns about resources and the difficulty of envisioning the concrete benefits. This article describes the formation, implementation, and functioning of a White antiracism caucus, facilitated by the authors, in a large social service agency.
Link
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White people and people of color each have work to do separately and together. Caucuses provide spaces for people to work within their own racial/ethnic groups. For white people, a caucus provides time and space to work explicitly and intentionally on understanding white culture and white privilege and to increase one’s critical analysis around these concepts. A white caucus also puts the onus on white people to teach each other about these ideas, rather than constantly relying on people of color to teach them. For people of color, a caucus is a place to work with their peers on their experiences of internalized racism, for healing and to work on liberation.
Link to pdf
Quote:
People of color participate in affinity caucus in order to:
Provide a safe space for people of color to talk about and address experiences of
racism
Talk about racism and how it affects people of color without having to explain it to
white people
Gain tools to talk about racism
Create an alternative power base for people of color
Build relationships
Provide a space to address how internalized racism and internalized inferiority
can hold people of color and racial justice work back

White people participate in affinity caucusing in order
to:
Work through guilt, shame & other barriers that hold white people back from
engaging in race conversations and doing racial justice work
Ask questions and explore ideas that help white people learn about racism
without having to learn at the expense of people of color
Hold each other accountable for actions and behaviors
Build relationships
Gain tools to talk about racism, white supremacy and privilege
Remind white people that work needs to be done to dismantle racism every day

richard s 14-07-2020 20:26
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Now that the Washington Redskins has to change its name will the Kansas City Chiefs have to do the same thing.

OLD BOY 14-07-2020 20:28
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36043465)
Now that the Washington Redskins has to change its name will the Kansas City Chiefs have to do the same thing.
They should have changed the name to 'whiteskins'. Who could possibly have objected to tbat? :D

Paul 14-07-2020 20:38
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
They didnt have to change it, they chose to (its been on the cards for decades, not a recent thing).

Sephiroth 14-07-2020 20:41
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Why is this thread still running (beyond the mods' will)?

nomadking 14-07-2020 20:54
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36043468)
They didnt have to change it, they chose to (its been on the cards for decades, not a recent thing).
Link

Quote:
Prominent corporate sponsors FedEx, PepsiCo, Nike and Bank of America urged the team to change its name. Stores including Walmart and Target stopped selling team merchandise on their websites.
FedEx is the title sponsor of the team's stadium in Landover, Maryland, and CEO Frederick Smith is a minority owner.
More than a dozen Native American leaders and organizations wrote to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell last week demanding an immediate end to Washington’s use of the name. They said they “expect the NFL to engage in a robust, meaningful reconciliation process with Native American movement leaders, tribes, and organizations to repair the decades of emotional violence and other serious harms this racist team name has caused to Native Peoples.”
No bullying or "guns to the head" involved then?:rolleyes: Does that count as "free will"?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043470)
Why is this thread still running (beyond the mods' will)?
We can't have the truth being exposed can we?

Sephiroth 14-07-2020 21:02
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36043472)
<SNIP>
We can't have the truth being exposed can we?
But it just goes round and round and round and round.
It's passé, surely.

Pierre 14-07-2020 21:02
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36043465)
Now that the Washington Redskins has to change its name will the Kansas City Chiefs have to do the same thing.
I don’t believe they have any plans to do so.

nomadking 14-07-2020 21:12
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
So who is to blame? The White police or the people who cloned the number plate?
Link
Quote:
A footballer is seeking legal advice after being stopped by police and handcuffed.
...
West Midlands Police said they detained the car driver while officers carried out a search as the number plate flagged up warning markers for drugs and firearms.
"Nothing was found in the car and it’s now thought that the number plates, which sparked the suspicion, are cloned.
"Given the intelligence around potential firearms one of the officers drew a Taser. It was put away shortly after without being used," they said.
Of course, it must be the Police.
Quote:
He's now considering making a formal complaint against police.

Maggy 15-07-2020 09:48
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36043465)
Now that the Washington Redskins has to change its name will the Kansas City Chiefs have to do the same thing.
Chief is not necessarily a word confined to American Indians or to African or African Americans. After all my OH was a Chief Petty Officer for part of his navy career later becoming a Charge Chief..;)

Carth 15-07-2020 10:21
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I'd have been sorely tempted to change the name to

Washington Indigenous People Native To America

but that's (possibly) just me :D

Pierre 15-07-2020 12:12
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36043500)
I'd have been sorely tempted to change the name to

Washington Indigenous People Native To America

but that's (possibly) just me :D
Washington Aboriginals would work!

heero_yuy 15-07-2020 12:45
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Quote from The Sun: Shocking footage shows a Brazilian police officer stepping on the neck of a black grandmother in chilling echoes of the George Floyd case.

Two unnamed military cops now face criminal charges after the disturbing incident in São Paulo in May was broadcast on television.

The woman, 51, described as a bar owner and mother-of-five, was dragged to the ground after being handcuffed, it has been reported.

After the footage was broadcast by Globo TV, the two cops allege they had been attacked with an iron rod and were defending themselves – claims the victim, who has two grandkids, denies.

In the clip, one of the officers is seen pointing his gun at two men who appear to be trying to show him that they are not armed.

One of the men even takes off his shirt and turns around to prove that he does not have a weapon.

The footage later cuts to the shocking image of one of the cops holding a woman face down in the road by placing his foot on her neck.
Full story, pictures and video on link above.

Pierre 15-07-2020 15:25
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36043511)
Full story, pictures and video on link above.
you're talking Brazil, I mean the police are nothing but an organised crime group.

I don't think the world will recoil in horror at anything that happens there.

Sephiroth 15-07-2020 15:36
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36043529)
you're talking Brazil, I mean the police are nothing but an organised crime group.

I don't think the world will recoil in horror at anything that happens there.
So why has this foreign episode been introduced into this over-surviving thread?

Carth 15-07-2020 16:21
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043532)
So why has this foreign episode been introduced into this over-surviving thread?
dunno, but I'm not going to stop eating Brazil nuts over it :D

nomadking 15-07-2020 23:39
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Example of the mentality out there.
Link
Quote:
Nick Cannon has been fired by US media giant ViacomCBS for “hateful speech and antisemitism” following a podcast in which he called white and Jewish people “savages”.
Quote:
“They’re acting out of fear, they’re acting out of low self-esteem, they’re acting out of a deficiency,” Cannon said. “So, therefore, the only way that they can act is evil. They have to rob, steal, rape, kill in order to survive. So then, these people that didn’t have what we have – and when I say we, I speak of the melanated people – they had to be savages.”
He continued: “I say all that to say, the context in which we speak, whether it’s Jewish people, white people, Europeans, the illuminati, they were doing that as survival tactics to stay on the planet. We never had to do that.”
Which planet is he talking about?:confused:

Quote:
Cannon also said that black people are “the true Hebrews” and referenced a number of antisemitic conspiracy theories, including “the Rothschilds, centralised banking, the 13 families, the bloodlines that control everything even outside of America”. He additionally condemned “giving too much power to the ‘they’,” adding: “And then the ‘they’ turns into illuminati, the Zionists, the Rothschilds.”
Not much Hebrew spoken in West Africa, which is where African-Americans mostly originate.

It was recorded last year and only recently broadcast, so no excuses from recent events.
Link
Quote:
The podcast was recorded in May 2019 and released on June 30.

heero_yuy 16-07-2020 10:56
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Quote from The Sun: The sculpture of Black Lives Matter protester Jen Reid, which replaced the statue of Edward Colston was removed this morning.

Pictures from the scene in Bristol showed workers at the site at around 5.20am.

Council workers used ropes to secure the statue of Jen Reid before removing it and loading it into a recycling and skip hire lorry.

The statue, by artist Marc Quinn, was put up in the early hours of Wednesday.

Ms Reid, who attended the original BLM march where the statue of slave trader Colston was toppled, said yesterday: "I'd better get a picture before they take it down."

Quinn's lifesize black resin and steel piece of Ms Reid was inspired after seeing a photo of her standing on the empty plinth.

The sculpture, entitled A Surge of Power (Jen Reid), was installed without the knowledge or consent of Bristol City Council.
Can't have illegal statues can we?

nomadking 16-07-2020 11:03
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36043599)
Can't have illegal statues can we?
So anybody is supposed to be able to put statues of whoever or whatever they like, wherever they like?:rolleyes:

Chris 16-07-2020 11:20
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36043599)
Can't have illegal statues can we?
Given the tensions that followed that period of BLM protests, no we can’t. You don’t solve the injustice of one group imposing its will on another, by turning the tables. The city mayor is right, there needs to be a conversation involving the whole city followed by an agreed solution. A publicity stunt by a London based artists doesn’t fit that bill.

RichardCoulter 16-07-2020 14:50
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36043604)
Given the tensions that followed that period of BLM protests, no we can’t. You don’t solve the injustice of one group imposing its will on another, by turning the tables. The city mayor is right, there needs to be a conversation involving the whole city followed by an agreed solution. A publicity stunt by a London based artists doesn’t fit that bill.
Agreed.

Hugh 16-07-2020 15:04
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36043604)
Given the tensions that followed that period of BLM protests, no we can’t. You don’t solve the injustice of one group imposing its will on another, by turning the tables. The city mayor is right, there needs to be a conversation involving the whole city followed by an agreed solution. A publicity stunt by a London based artists doesn’t fit that bill.
Yup

nomadking 16-07-2020 15:07
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36043604)
Given the tensions that followed that period of BLM protests, no we can’t. You don’t solve the injustice of one group imposing its will on another, by turning the tables. The city mayor is right, there needs to be a conversation involving the whole city followed by an agreed solution. A publicity stunt by a London based artists doesn’t fit that bill.
And on which planet does an "agreed solution" not mean bowing down to BLM et al?

Just look at the recent Nick Cannon story. Says all sorts of things about White people in general, but the only problem is apparently anything classed as Anti-Semitic. Nice to know where we stand.
Link
Quote:
Nick Cannon will continue to host the US version of the hit TV show The Masked Singer, despite anti-Semitic comments he made on a podcast.
TV Network Fox confirmed he would keep his job after the presenter apologised, saying he was "ashamed" of his remarks
Link
Quote:
Nick Cannon has been fired by US media giant ViacomCBS for “hateful speech and antisemitism” following a podcast in which he called white and Jewish people “savages”.
“They’re acting out of fear, they’re acting out of low self-esteem, they’re acting out of a deficiency,” Cannon said. “So, therefore, the only way that they can act is evil. They have to rob, steal, rape, kill in order to survive. So then, these people that didn’t have what we have – and when I say we, I speak of the melanated people – they had to be savages.”
He continued: “I say all that to say, the context in which we speak, whether it’s Jewish people, white people, Europeans, the illuminati, they were doing that as survival tactics to stay on the planet. We never had to do that.”

Carth 16-07-2020 15:51
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I'm wondering how long it will be before the first appearance of white people complaining about being pulled over whilst driving, and a black police officer pointing a tazer (or gun) at them.

Sephiroth 16-07-2020 16:02
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36043640)
I'm wondering how long it will be before the first appearance of white people complaining about being pulled over whilst driving, and a black police officer pointing a tazer (or gun) at them.
Worry not, mate. You won't be disappointed in about 90 years time when your descendants will be pulled over by the religious police.

Damien 16-07-2020 16:27
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36043604)
Given the tensions that followed that period of BLM protests, no we can’t. You don’t solve the injustice of one group imposing its will on another, by turning the tables. The city mayor is right, there needs to be a conversation involving the whole city followed by an agreed solution. A publicity stunt by a London based artists doesn’t fit that bill.
Exactly.

Also, why has no-one brought up the idea of it becoming a statue to Keith Chegwin?

Pierre 16-07-2020 16:53
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36043649)
Exactly.

Also, why has no-one brought up the idea of it becoming a statue to Keith Chegwin?
A naked Statue of Keith Chegwin

Maggy 16-07-2020 17:38
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36043604)
Given the tensions that followed that period of BLM protests, no we can’t. You don’t solve the injustice of one group imposing its will on another, by turning the tables. The city mayor is right, there needs to be a conversation involving the whole city followed by an agreed solution. A publicity stunt by a London based artists doesn’t fit that bill.
:tu:

Hugh 16-07-2020 21:05
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043645)
Worry not, mate. You won't be disappointed in about 90 years time when your descendants will be pulled over by the religious police.
bless...

I don’t believe the C of E will have that much of a resurgence by then. :D

Anyway, back to reality...

Paul 17-07-2020 05:48
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
More likely to be the internet/twitter police.

Sephiroth 17-07-2020 09:23
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36043721)
More likely to be the internet/twitter police.
It will be the same thing when we all have to face east.

Hugh 17-07-2020 11:33
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043730)
It will be the same thing when we all have to face east.
Big hints, no facts - welcome to conspiracy theory land (which ever way you are facing...).;)

Carth 17-07-2020 11:42
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36043749)
Big hints, no facts - welcome to conspiracy theory land (which ever way you are facing...).;)
damn, is it those pesky Russians again?

Sephiroth 17-07-2020 13:22
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36043749)
Big hints, no facts - welcome to conspiracy theory land (which ever way you are facing...).;)
That's right - bury your head in the sand. Look at census data and birthrates.

1andrew1 17-07-2020 13:45
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36043628)
And on which planet does an "agreed solution" not mean bowing down to BLM et al?

Just look at the recent Nick Cannon story. Says all sorts of things about White people in general, but the only problem is apparently anything classed as Anti-Semitic. Nice to know where we stand.
Link
Link
He was fired from ViacomCBS but not from the Fox Network.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...itic-comments/

nomadking 17-07-2020 14:11
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043780)
He was fired from ViacomCBS but not from the Fox Network.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...itic-comments/
Precisely. As I said, the anti-Semitic comments were an issue, but NOT the more general anti-White ones. He apologised for the anti-Semitic ones, but NOT the rabid, nonsensical, anti-White ones.
Link

Quote:
Nick Cannon will continue to host the US version of the hit TV show The Masked Singer, despite anti-Semitic comments he made on a podcast.
TV Network Fox confirmed he would keep his job after the presenter apologised, saying he was "ashamed" of his remarks
Link

Quote:
Nick Cannon has been fired by US media giant ViacomCBS for “hateful speech and antisemitism” following a podcast in which he called white and Jewish people “savages”.
“They’re acting out of fear, they’re acting out of low self-esteem, they’re acting out of a deficiency,” Cannon said. “So, therefore, the only way that they can act is evil. They have to rob, steal, rape, kill in order to survive. So then, these people that didn’t have what we have – and when I say we, I speak of the melanated people – they had to be savages.”
He continued: “I say all that to say, the context in which we speak, whether it’s Jewish people, white people, Europeans, the illuminati, they were doing that as survival tactics to stay on the planet. We never had to do that.”
Yet the bits in bold are ok.:confused:

Is it the non-"melanated" people committing sexual violence in South Africa and India?


It's almost as if, not only are the anti-White comments permitted, they're almost compulsory.

Hugh 17-07-2020 14:31
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043774)
That's right - bury your head in the sand. Look at census data and birthrates.
Again with the "no facts, find it out yourself" approach.

You might want to look up the Pew Report on this, to bring some reality to your views...

1andrew1 17-07-2020 14:52
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36043783)
Precisely. As I said, the anti-Semitic comments were an issue, but NOT the more general anti-White ones. He apologised for the anti-Semitic ones, but NOT the rabid, nonsensical, anti-White ones.
Link

Link

Yet the bits in bold are ok.:confused:

Is it the non-"melanated" people committing sexual violence in South Africa and India?


It's almost as if, not only are the anti-White comments permitted, they're almost compulsory.
Without seeing his apology in full, it's hard to accurately comment on what he apologised for.
But how any of this extends to anti-white comments being almost compulsory, I can't see the logic of this statement.

nomadking 17-07-2020 15:54
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043787)
Without seeing his apology in full, it's hard to accurately comment on what he apologised for.
But how any of this extends to anti-white comments being almost compulsory, I can't see the logic of this statement.
Have you looked?
Link

Quote:
"I extend my deepest and most sincere apologies to my Jewish sisters and brothers for the hurtful and divisive words that came out of my mouth during my interview with Richard Griffin," Cannon wrote.
"They reinforced the worst stereotypes of a proud and magnificent people and I feel ashamed of the uninformed and naïve place that these words came from," he continued. "The video of this interview has since been removed."
Link

Quote:
“We have spoken with Nick Cannon about an episode of his podcast ‘Cannon’s Class’ on YouTube, which promoted hateful speech and spread anti-Semitic conspiracy theories,” ViacomCBS said. “While we support ongoing education and dialogue in the fight against bigotry, we are deeply troubled that Nick has failed to acknowledge or apologize for perpetuating anti-Semitism, and we are terminating our relationship with him,” the company said.
So as I said, no mention of the more general anti-White stuff.


As I've also previously raised, the Seattle story was based around anti-White sentiment and the , training session, ie indoctrination, were for White Employees. White people were told that they had to be prepared to give up everything, including physical and emotional safety.


In the video he says that "they know they will get annihilated". Isn't that saying that White people are under threat from non-White people?


New York Times Facebook
Quote:
Simon Ross
NYT see you fail to recognize all the white hatred in his monologue .

...
Mark Zwald
How about being fired for saying white people are less than black people?
...
Yan Pronin
So, him saying that whites are closer to animals was kosher?
Haven't been able to find anything where he says sorry for the anti-White comments, or anybody else who has pointed out that he had.

papa smurf 19-07-2020 11:26
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Here's an interesting piece about slavery

Nigerian journalist and novelist Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani writes that one of her ancestors sold slaves, but argues that he should not be judged by today's standards or values.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752

Mr K 19-07-2020 13:01
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I think we should just all be nice and respectful to each other regardless of skin colour. Radical I know.

Maggy 19-07-2020 18:46
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36043976)
I think we should just all be nice and respectful to each other regardless of skin colour. Radical I know.
:tu:

And all other orientations and flavours.

Russ 19-07-2020 18:51
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Apart from politicians. They deserve to be mocked.

For being politicians.

OLD BOY 20-07-2020 15:44
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36043976)
I think we should just all be nice and respectful to each other regardless of skin colour. Radical I know.
Christ, Mr K. We agree!

I've always liked you really.:waving:

Sephiroth 20-07-2020 15:52
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36044089)
Christ, Mr K. We agree!

I've always liked you really.:waving:
That's one for the Guinness Book of Records; OB, Christ & Mr K in agreement.

Just needs jfman to climb aboard.

OLD BOY 20-07-2020 15:53
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044093)
That's one for the Guinness Book of Records; OB, Christ & Mr K in agreement.

Just needs jfman to climb aboard.
Steady on...:D

Carth 20-07-2020 16:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I can imagine the mods quickly checking to see if Old Boys account has been hacked :D :D

Paul 20-07-2020 16:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36044098)
I can imagine the mods quickly checking to see if Old Boys account has been hacked :D :D
I was wondering if Mr K had been hacked :angel:

ianch99 21-07-2020 10:06
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36043964)
Here's an interesting piece about slavery

Nigerian journalist and novelist Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani writes that one of her ancestors sold slaves, but argues that he should not be judged by today's standards or values.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752
Total double standards. If someone trafficked in human cargo, they should be called out. Wrong is wrong.

Hugh 21-07-2020 10:37
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36044157)
Total double standards. If someone trafficked in human cargo, they should be called out. Wrong is wrong.
Yup

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 10:47
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36044157)
Total double standards. If someone trafficked in human cargo, they should be called out. Wrong is wrong.
And history is history. You gonna call someone out whose grandfather was a brutal SS officer? Let it go.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044159)
Yup
Nope. Today's standards have nothing to do with the past phase when standards were different. Let it go.

nomadking 21-07-2020 11:02
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36043964)
Here's an interesting piece about slavery

Nigerian journalist and novelist Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani writes that one of her ancestors sold slaves, but argues that he should not be judged by today's standards or values.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752
Can't help but wonder if she would have that same stance, if her ancestors hadn't been involved.


Yet again, the issue of the fact that they were involved in slave trading, long before the Transatlantic trade started, is conveniently dodged. By dodging it, the false impression is given that the "colonial powers" were somehow primarily to blame. The "colonial powers" may have increased the demand, but they didn't initiate the slave trading in Africa.

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 11:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibit...erybeforetrade


Makes nonsense of the narrow complaints of the colonial days.

You woke bleaters should pack it in and let our society and legal system deal with today's issues, including punishing BLM demonstrators who attack property.

1andrew1 21-07-2020 11:19
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044163)
And history is history. You gonna call someone out whose grandfather was a brutal SS officer? Let it go.[
No one's suggesting calling out a slave-trader's descendants, just calling out the slave-trader.

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 11:22
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044172)
No one's suggesting calling out a slave-trader's descendants, just calling out the slave-trader.
Sure, but the slave trader they're calling out is very long dead and they were called out when anti-slavery laws were passed in 1833.

Hugh 21-07-2020 12:22
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044163)
And history is history. You gonna call someone out whose grandfather was a brutal SS officer? Let it go.

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Nope. Today's standards have nothing to do with the past phase when standards were different. Let it go.
If they laud him as a benefactor and put up a statue to him, definitely.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044171)
http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibit...erybeforetrade


Makes nonsense of the narrow complaints of the colonial days.

You woke bleaters should pack it in and let our society and legal system deal with today's issues, including punishing BLM demonstrators who attack property.
Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 12:37
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044182)
If they laud him as a benefactor and put up a statue to him, definitely.

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Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?
Part of the evolution.

Paul 21-07-2020 15:03
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044182)
Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?
That does not bestow upon them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea. That's called vandalism.

denphone 21-07-2020 15:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36044199)
That does not bestow upon them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea. That's called vandalism.
No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..

Carth 21-07-2020 15:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044201)
No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..
What was put on the plaque was done in 1895 when the statue was erected. I'm almost convinced things were a little different back then, but I'm open to arguements that they weren't :D

denphone 21-07-2020 15:30
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36044202)
What was put on the plaque was done in 1895 when the statue was erected. I'm almost convinced things were a little different back then, but I'm open to arguements that they weren't :D
Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.

nomadking 21-07-2020 15:35
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044201)
No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..
Does that "balanced context" extend to highlighting the depth and extent of Black African involvement? Doesn't seem to get much emphasis.

Paul 21-07-2020 16:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
As everyone knows (!) slavery only started a few hundred years ago, and was exclusively the English taking Africans as slaves.

... or so all these "activists" would have you think. :rolleyes:

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 16:32
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044204)
Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.
All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.

OLD BOY 21-07-2020 16:37
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044220)
All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.
Quite. Nowt to do with statues and abolition of capitalism! The movement has been hijacked.

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 16:42
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36044221)
Quite. Nowt to do with statues and abolition of capitalism! The movement has been hijacked.
... and long over-debated in this thread (imo).

Jimmy-J 21-07-2020 16:42
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044204)
Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.
In this day and age, it's easier to get that info from our phones.

Carth 21-07-2020 16:47
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36044223)
In this day and age, it's easier to get that info from our phones.
no no, we must all cast our phones into the dark depths, we must never allow the use of an instrument probably devised and developed using funds quite possibly achieved through an historical act of slavery, begone phone, and take you're bloody annoying ring tones with you :D

Hugh 21-07-2020 16:51
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044220)
All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.
If you think that, you are being obtuse (perhaps deliberately)...

That was the straw that broke the camel’s back, being just the latest in a long history of violence and inequality.

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 17:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044226)
If you think that, you are being obtuse (perhaps deliberately)...

That was the straw that broke the camel’s back, being just the latest in a long history of violence and inequality.
I've no doubt that in the UK there is an issue going on inside the police force. Nothing on the disastrous scale as in the USA and certainly not on a scale in the UK that warrants a huge thread like this and the vandalism we have seen.

The destructive bandwagon being jumped on in the UK is fed by a bunch of anarchists intent on destroying British culture.

richard s 22-07-2020 21:33
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
British culture is influenced by the combined nations' history; its historically Christian religious life, its interaction with the cultures of Europe, the traditions of England, Wales and Scotland, and the impact of the British Empire. ... British literature is particularly esteemed.

Traditions in England have been around for centuries. British traditions are famous worldwide. When one thinks of Britain, you imagine people drinking tea, wearing bowler hats and gorging on fish and chips. Sports, food and music, are tightly knit traditions in Britain.

We start with the service and retail sector. In the past six or seven years, London has become the Babel of the modern world. More than a third of Londoners are now foreign born - that's around 2.5 million people. Our city encompasses more than 270 nationalities and 300 languages.

Historically, England was a very homogeneous country and developed coherent traditions, but, especially as the British Empire expanded and the country absorbed peoples from throughout the globe, English culture has been accented with diverse contributions from Afro-Caribbeans, Asians, Muslims, and other immigrant ...

Sephiroth 22-07-2020 21:43
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36044363)
British culture is influenced by the combined nations' history; its historically Christian religious life, its interaction with the cultures of Europe, the traditions of England, Wales and Scotland, and the impact of the British Empire. ... British literature is particularly esteemed.

Traditions in England have been around for centuries. British traditions are famous worldwide. When one thinks of Britain, you imagine people drinking tea, wearing bowler hats and gorging on fish and chips. Sports, food and music, are tightly knit traditions in Britain.

We start with the service and retail sector. In the past six or seven years, London has become the Babel of the modern world. More than a third of Londoners are now foreign born - that's around 2.5 million people. Our city encompasses more than 270 nationalities and 300 languages.

Historically, England was a very homogeneous country and developed coherent traditions, but, especially as the British Empire expanded and the country absorbed peoples from throughout the globe, English culture has been accented with diverse contributions from Afro-Caribbeans, Asians, Muslims, and other immigrant ...
English culture is slowly but surely being diluted and, frankly, being destroyed - led among others by the BBC.

pip08456 22-07-2020 22:01
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36044363)
British culture is influenced by the combined nations' history; its historically Christian religious life,
Historicaly Britain was pagan, that's why a lot of Christian celebrations are based around pagan dates.

Mr K 22-07-2020 22:07
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044364)
English culture is slowly but surely being diluted and, frankly, being destroyed - led among others by the BBC.
The BBC is one of the most British/English institutions in the country. It's the likes of Sky that are steadily 'Americanising' us.

pip08456 22-07-2020 22:08
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044368)
The BBC is one of the most British/English institutions in the country. It's the likes of Sky that are steadily 'Americanising' us.
'ollocks!

Mr K 22-07-2020 22:16
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36044370)
'ollocks!
Sounds painful !

You've obviously never listened to Radio 4, the World Service or watched Antiques Roadshow, Songs of Praise (although the latter 2, I wouldn't blame you).

Hugh 22-07-2020 22:39
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36044363)
British culture is influenced by the combined nations' history; its historically Christian religious life, its interaction with the cultures of Europe, the traditions of England, Wales and Scotland, and the impact of the British Empire. ... British literature is particularly esteemed.

Traditions in England have been around for centuries. British traditions are famous worldwide. When one thinks of Britain, you imagine people drinking tea, wearing bowler hats and gorging on fish and chips. Sports, food and music, are tightly knit traditions in Britain.

We start with the service and retail sector. In the past six or seven years, London has become the Babel of the modern world. More than a third of Londoners are now foreign born - that's around 2.5 million people. Our city encompasses more than 270 nationalities and 300 languages.

Historically, England was a very homogeneous country and developed coherent traditions, but, especially as the British Empire expanded and the country absorbed peoples from throughout the globe, English culture has been accented with diverse contributions from Afro-Caribbeans, Asians, Muslims, and other immigrant ...
If you’re going to quote something in depth, under "Fair Usage" rules (and CF T&Cs) you need to provide a link (in this case, to the Wiki article.

Maggy 22-07-2020 22:43
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
What I want to know is how any of the recent postings have to do with the topic of Black Lives Matter? I suggest folk start their own thread if they want to address culture and religion

Paul 23-07-2020 01:08
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Its wandered slightly, nothing to worry about, lets try and get back on track though.

Stuart 24-07-2020 16:45
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36043976)
I think we should just all be nice and respectful to each other regardless of skin colour. Radical I know.
Agreed.. I personally try to judge someone by their actions, and not their colour, gender, or sexuality.

I do, however, understand the need for Black Lives Matter, and the protests.

There are still a large group of people who do judge people based on their race/colour, gender or sexuality. It's easy on a personal level to say "Well I treat all people fairly", and it's relatively easy to do. On the level of Society, it's not so easy because there are people who don't do that, some unintentionally (they may not be aware that something they do is prejudicial), and there are those who a prejudiced and either don't care, or are proud.

We need to seek those people out and hopefully persuade them to change. Not ignore them.

BLM is, for me, not about equal rights. It's about seeking those who don't believe in equal rights and doing something about them.

As such, by trying to persuade people that All lives matter (even though they do), people are trying to minimise the BLM protests.

downquark1 06-08-2020 13:33
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Isn't anyone going to comment on the new footage?

Carth 06-08-2020 13:45
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36045830)
Isn't anyone going to comment on the new footage?
new footage? :eh: :shrug:

where's the foot this time, neck, throat, chest, kidneys, upper back, lower back, groin, kneecap . . . ?

Russ 06-08-2020 14:01
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044364)
English culture is slowly but surely being diluted and, frankly, being destroyed - led among others by the BBC.
Good. Let's have some Welsh culture for a while :D :angel:

pip08456 06-08-2020 16:13
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36045832)
Good. Let's have some Welsh culture for a while :D :angel:
OK then. Who do we celebrate Llywelyn ap Gruffudd or Gruffudd ap Llywelyn?

Llywelyn ap Gruffudd (1223-1282)

Gruffudd ap Llywelyn (died 1063 don't know birth date).

As you can see from the names things get complicated.:D

Carth 06-08-2020 16:26
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36045845)
OK then. Who do we celebrate Llywelyn ap Gruffudd or Gruffudd ap Llywelyn?

Llywelyn ap Gruffudd (1223-1282)

Gruffudd ap Llywelyn (died 1063 don't know birth date).

As you can see from the names things get complicated.:D
that's easy for you to say ;)

pip08456 06-08-2020 16:30
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I don't even know how to pronounce it let alone say it!:D

I'm hoping Russ will come back and help out.:D:D:D

Paul 06-08-2020 21:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36045830)
Isn't anyone going to comment on the new footage?
What new footage :confused:

Damien 06-08-2020 21:21
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36045890)
What new footage :confused:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...loyd-time.html

Sephiroth 06-08-2020 21:34
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I think the forum members and their dogs have got the message.

Pierre 06-08-2020 23:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36045893)
I saw the footage. I don’t think it really changes anything. I don’t think anyone suggested Floyd was some wall flower.

I’m not going over old ground again, I still maintain it was a failure of the police that he died in their custody.

Paul 07-08-2020 00:27
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36045894)
I think the forum members and their dogs have got the message.
I dont own a dog (nor do I like them).
I have no idea what message Im supposed to have got. :confused:

Sephiroth 07-08-2020 09:21
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36045917)
I dont own a dog (nor do I like them).
I have no idea what message Im supposed to have got. :confused:
This topic has been done to death, imo

Mad Max 07-08-2020 21:31
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36045927)
This topic has been done to death, imo
:D:D


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