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McDonalds (round here anyway) had switched to Drive Thru only, how is being separated in big lumps of metal not distancing ?

Greggs of course dont have that option, so that at least I could understand.


My other half works in a school, that is staying open for the children of key workers etc etc.

They estimated that about 30 children fell into this category. Six turned up today.

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Even though McDonald’s etc are closed, the yooof will still congregate '7 in a VW Polo' in the carparks . . . I can already hear the thump of those 15" bass speakers :spin:

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Chavs won't know where to eat now.

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edit: Now it's KFC. Burberry caps will be wept in to en masse.

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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson to make statement to the country at 8:30pm.

Lockdown imminent.

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Glad I picked up the plumbing bits I needed today if every thing's going to close.

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They don't have the luxury to fail, it's not an either /or. but the population have to play their part. Be sensible, take the precautions, but work if you can, spend if you can.

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Probably not enough business from Drive-Thru to cover the costs of keeping the building(s) open.

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Most likely something along those lines ;

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Latest: Downing Street spokesperson says it is announce new measures to tackle Covid-19.

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They may not have the luxury of failure but they may not have the skill set to succeed either. The global economy is trashed already because of an inability, or unwillingness, to take the required measures quickly.

A successful economy relies on consumers being confident. Death, illness and job instability for those in positions that barely qualify as employment creates zero confidence.

I should point out “Work if you can, spend if you can” directly contradicts UK Government advice and is an extremely, extremely reckless suggestion. It will only extend this epidemic if people continue to ignore the advice to stay in, have as little human contact as possible.

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Fortunately I work from home on individual quoted contracts. I can submit the work electronically and can also video conference with my clients.

If the OH is laid off he'll be like a caged animal. :(

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FT is making its Coronavirus information free to read.

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

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How is that contradictory in any way?


It’s that attitude that ensure we all go down and end up in the workhouse.

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Meanwhile, the Government is allowing libraries to stay open. Most have closed but some staff had to strike to get Lambeth to close its libraries. The Government needs to take its own advice. Why are libraries that different from schools, museums, etc? No offence but they're not an essential service right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...staff-walk-out

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Nothing to do with the Government, Local Authority issue.

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Saving lives or the economy, you choose...

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Both are needed, hence balancing.

If the economy collapses, what do you think will happen to lives ?

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People will be poorer, but alive. I know which I'd prefer.

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Yes but you’d be first in the queue banging on about how the government aren’t doing this or that.

But the government won’t be able to do anything because they’ve spent all their money trying to keep the economy afloat, whilst people think they’re getting a 12 week paid holiday. The NHS will be screwed and there’ll be no liquidity in the system because anyone that has any money will have pulled it out.

A collapsed economy will cause more direct and indirect deaths than this virus could ever hope to achieve.

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I think you worry about your investments too much. Loss of lives and a prolonged epidemic/shutdown will also collapse the economy. The preservation of life must always come first.

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The economy can recover - dead people can’t...

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Absolute rubbish.

It's entirely contradictory to current UK Government advice to stay at home.

I fail to see how taking sensible, short term actions to defeat a deadly virus leaves us in a workhouse. Coronavirus isn't a time machine. Grateful if you could show your working for such a ludicrous conclusion.

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Who says they will be alive ?
A lot more people would almost certainly die.

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Absolutely ficking right Hugh..

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+1

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Indeed - 250 000 deaths a small price to pay from his post last night.

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Indeed. We wouldn't send a quarter of a million people off to die in a war.

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If the Government had included libraries on Friday's list, they would have closed and more lives saved.

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Ha, I wish. I earn a good salary and have a nice lifestyle but I live from month to month.

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Preserving the economy, is preserving life.

A bankrupt state cannot support its population, especially if that population expects a free health care system and financial safety net.

The resultant austerity required would make the last decade look like a Picnic.

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Fewer people = a smaller economy. So it makes economic sense as well to save lives, it's not a polar opposite.

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This is where people have got it wrong. Stay at home if you’ve no good reason to go out.

But you can go out if you distance yourself and take precautions.

Going to work, is a good reason to go out. If you are sensible and take precautions no problem.

It was a figure of speech, as well you know. Point being kill off small businesses, that have long been known to be the engine of the economy, you seriously damage the economy.

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Just got this email from fco.gov.uk (registered for updates when I was away)

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Not my words.

No, it’s usually more.

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Absolutely agree

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How many deaths did the 1day delay ( I assume they’re shut on Sunday) cause?

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I got removed from this thread for persisting with the opinion that the UK Government and it's scientific advisers are wrong.

Now that they are in line with the global consensus the obvious question becomes what makes you think you know better than them?

The Government - and all Governments - need to protect personal incomes and living standards and get people to stay at home. Yes protect small businesses and even responsible larger ones. Considering every major Government is in the same boat what's the genuine cost? Zero. Every major economy could print money to do this and lose no comparative advantage to each other (the main reason countries don't do this to pay their own debt) and come out the other end in two months with consumer confidence booming.

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But it was your post.

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1 extra death is too much. I don't envy the Govt. these decisions, but they've been far too late and playing catch up all the time. Proactive not reactive is what was needed. Doubtless Boris will announce some too late decisions shortly.

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the government advice is what I have posted. ( it may well change in 10mins)

People have mis-interpreted it that they must stay home no matter what. That is not (for 20mins at least) the case.

Need an economy at the end of it to pay for it.

You assume two months? Optimistic.

Print money? It’s so easy. No worries then, thanks for the tip.

Yes, i was offering someone else’s opinion as a talking point.

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Monday morning Tom Brady analysis, nice

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Some are very much still open.

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The economy is exactly the same at the other side if you protect everyone's position within it.

Done properly - yes. The virus doesn't live on its own.

You are aware of Central Banks, yes? Quantitative easing?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432

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So “work if you can” still government advice. I’ll add safely to it. “Spend if you can” probably taken a bit of a hit in some areas.

“ Now over to an update from our Chief Virologist- Jfman from Cable Forum”

Yes and also aware of inflation, I don’t fancy going to Tesco with a wheelbarrow of £50 notes to buy my daily shop.

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Boris Johnson's address to the nation in full.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...nation-in-full

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You're embarrassing yourself.

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Daily exercise could easily be walking back and forth in your home or confined to your back yard or garden. No need to go running out on the streets or parks.

My need to go out(once a week) and buy food is dictated by how much would be available when I did go out. Eg If I lock myself away for 2 or even 3 weeks, what's going to be the food situation afterwards?

Going to lock myself away for 2 weeks and see how it goes from there.

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How so?

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No, you got removed for being an ass in your posts, so dont start again, or you'll get another holiday.

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Just as an attempt to distract from the bickering temporarily, thought I'd put it out there that WWE has made their network free to everyone (usually £9.99 a month) until further notice.

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That’s more difficult than it sounds. We have an internationally traded fiat currency and an economy built on debt. Everyone agreeing to stop and then start again isn’t enough. Everything depreciates while we do nothing, as the wealth necessary to keep up with the depreciation isn’t being generated. And while government can in theory simply write cheques to paper over the shortfall in the immediate term, the longer term ramifications of doing this can be serious. The economy is only really the same on the other side of this is all the comparable economies around the world stop and start at around the same time.

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I went back to work today after 4 days with my mum who was taken to hospital (it was 50/50 if she would come out). Can I see her, i have access outside her room to gloves, aprons hand cleaner?

At work we can only use our canteen to get a drink, cook food but we cannot eat in there,and must use gloves (we have glove as we handle oils etc)

We must be at least 6ft apart.

I must only leave my office to collect manual that I update, and no chatting.

Rumours are going around that Lockheed Martin (a customer) wants us to remain open as they see us as essential and want us to have passes. despite the fact the are a yank company, and our boss has no back bone and sees his bonus fly away.

Many will be fuming at still going despite this news.

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That's a massive relief to us all. Think I'd rather get coronavirus.

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it would be good if Sky did movies or Kids movies for free

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My position is clear, and not out of step with the government. If you can work safely then continue to do so.

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I'm able to WFH, but those who still have to go into the office have been told today that the canteen is now shut until further notice.

The vending machines have also been shut off as well (unclear why, other than maybe running out).

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So, is it a 'National Emergency', with a more robust request to stay at home, as opposed to a formal lockdown then?

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Hard to get much cardio going with that though. Walkings/Running/Cycling, alone, is of minimal risk and the government wants to keep that as long as possible for people's physical and mental health.

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Atm, yes.

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It could come in handy for people with kids who may not have been able to afford it.

You know, like some people other than yourself.

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What does safety mean? The Government's advice is work from home unless you absolutely cannot.

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Absolutely. I'm gutted I can't get to the gym, I'm now having to rely on press-ups, crunches and squats with resistance bands as well as a daily run around the Bay.

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The gym my brother goes to was closed late last week so since then he has been doing some exercises at home.

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have these new restrictions been put into law yet?

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If you prefer more grown up TV:D.
Email from VMThe BBC and ITV should open up BritBox. Not going to cost them much.

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Most likely because you have to press buttons right after someone whose personal hygiene may be lacking, and because it’s a vending machine, whatever it puts on your fingers is pretty soon going to get on your face.

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I'm already grown up thanks, and I don't have VM.

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Apparently, the issue with a "lockdown" is that there is no definition of this. To some, it's not leave your house ever, just receive deliveries. To others, it's the scenario that BoJo announced this evening.

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Food factory worker and smoker.
No (realistic) chance of working at a respectable distance from other workers.
At breaks people sit in the canteen and/or go out to the smoke shelter for a smoke
Neither the canteen or smoke shelter are large enough to accommodate the people in a 'safe' manner.

Maybe we should all stay at home, you lot can starve to death eh?


tongue in cheek before people moan

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Then a packed lunch is in order, and safer.

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Not quite. By Thursday, yes. There is an emergency bill put forth in the Commons, that will receive Royal Assent by Thur/Fri.

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I chatting on Whattsapp to a guy I'm friends at work with, he reckons that there will be a workers meeting tomorrow, hopefully the workers will speak in one voice,

I know a manager who will keep working, as his head is so far up the bosses butt, the boss is chocking.

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Well me and the kids did Joe Wicks 30min workout this morning at 9:00 and it was great. He’s doing it every weekday - on you tube.

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Work from home unless absolutely necessary. If you’re not getting paid if you don’t then it’s necessary.

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Lockdown has no provenance as a legal definition in British English. It’s likely origin in the UK is in connection with making machinery safe (19th century). As a term for restricting freedom it was first used in reference to containing prison disorder in the USA in the 1970s.

Boris (or rather his speech writers and advisers) have wisely opted to describe in simple terms what the restrictions entail rather than giving them a sensationalist title that is open to misinterpretation.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/lockdown

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Yes but the tabloid headlines are already 'Lockdown'. Doubtless plucky/stupid Brits will ignore and police won't have the resources to enforce, just like the NHS don't have enough resources. How stupid we were to run these public services down and vote for tax cuts.

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Too true...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1585000324

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There will be an app for that...

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Retailers that will be allowed to stay open ;

Supermarkets
Pharmacies
Newsagents
Hardware stores
Banks
Pet shops
Post Offices
Petrol stations
Vets
Retail shops in hospitals
Laundrettes
Funeral homes

[Other] Retailers will still be able to take online orders and deliver items to your home.

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The French system allows for handwritten versions and it's a self-certification of reasons rather than asking permission.
English translation of document.

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Long hair will be back in fashion....

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I managed to get mine cut so Im good for a couple of months at least. :)

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I've wanted a pony tail for years . . wife says no . . but hey, what happens happens :D

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I'm going for the Albert Einstein look;)

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oh yes, that's my 'go to' style . . . until she orders different

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Been chatting on works WhatsApp we will be having a meeting tomorrow.

Hopefully management think of the staff rather than their bonus.

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Hopefully they’ll make decisions that ensure you have a job to come back to. Hopefully your workforce assist with that.

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Link to latest measures ;

https://assets.publishing.service.go...rom_others.pdf

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Does this mean people can't go to their normal place of work?

Edit

Looking at the pdf we can still go to work.

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You can, but you shouldn’t unless you absolutely have to.

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Just had a management email from where I work.

Basically none essential staff that are not involved in the manufacture and shipping of our products should either work from home or just stay home and people with medical issues or pregnant.

For everyone else we have 2 maintain a 2 metre distance when not in the clean rooms.

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Eminently sensible advice.

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Asda’s grocery ordering system (app and website) crashed right after BoJo’s announcement this evening and hasn’t come back online yet. Thankfully I already have Friday’s order in, and a recurring booking for Friday morning deliveries (if only I can get in by Wednesday week to complete the next one!)

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Morrisons is down atm as well.

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They're still charging you the monthly fees though...

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So disappointed with one of my closest friends, he was listening to me telling a colleague of quite forcibly for getting to close and then my pal went quiet when I asked him what he did at the weekend, turns out him, his brother his wife and their daughter went round his mothers on sunday.

Thanks for that, need to visit the post office tomorrow

Looking at mine, no it won't

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l have not got much hair so l will be perfectly fine.:)

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Luckily we have a Tesco order for later next week and a Morrisons one the week after.

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A friend went to Lidl at 8am this morning to do a shop for us. I didn't expect to get half the items on my list but he has just left the bags on our doorstep and I can't believe he got everything even paracetamol. He said the only shelves that were empty were tinned goods.

He was reassured to see that the roads and the shop were almost empty - main road into the centre of Manchester and usually nose to tail and slow moving at that time of day.

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I think most people will have got the message last night, I wold expect to see shops be able to re-stock very quickly with reduced demand.

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I went and got the paper first thing as the newsagent is one of the essential services allowed to be open. Eerily quiet, I was able to cross the main A24 in the village without having to wait for a gap in the traffic. Hardly a car in sight. Normally pretty nose-to-tail.

My red top is offereing free delivery for the next 12 weeks but I think it's probably less risky to go and get one myself, keep a distance from anybody and try not to touch anything: Imagine one infected paperboy delivering to hundreds of homes. :erm:

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Boris' announcement not a surprise. He's tried the ask nicely and too many simply ignored it spoiling things for those who are trying to be as normal as possible sensibly. So now comes the stick and if that doesn't work the stick with spikes and barbed wire.

Can't get deliveries - all slots booked solid so will have to venture out for food for us and pets. Even click/collect is booked up for next 3-4 weeks. Shame on those simply grabbing slots in future and not sharing. We even paid for week time slots but not booked them as we vary times.

Gym has frozen membership but trying to get small stuff to use at home at a fair price...

Got some instant light charcoal at Homebase yesterday - only really use it to clean the barbie at start of season - I have better stuff for cooking with. May need to order some more soon. But can I get nice pieces of meat (brisket, bone in pork shoulder etc.) for long smokes?

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I don't have links for this but my wife was emailed this from a doctor friend. It's not simply catching the virus that is the issue (for most) but how you catch it.

Message from a consultant in ICU. Good info:

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Why do we need to shut places where people group?

Remember this: VIRAL LOAD

There will be a lot about this. Why is it important?

With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer. This isn’t unusual - HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19.

So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus. In a crowded space. They become ill over the next 48 hours. You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital. You’d decided because you were young and healthy it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong.

Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.

This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load.

This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK. We are a week at most behind London.

Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.

If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it.

No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough.

If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or someone of my specialty) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.

THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT:

If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there. Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate.

A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important.

If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space.

Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.

REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOAD

It could save your life or your child’s

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Just been out for a walk streets are empty food shops and the pet shop open,community support officer just shut down the hand car wash place while police officer making his way to site,people were turning up to have car washed and then turning around when they saw gates being locked.

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***IMPORTANT***

Those who are extremely vulnerable to the coronavirus and who have no friends/family/neighbours/carers to help them are asked to register here for food parcels etc. from the Government:

https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extre...IB9-HUM14yLn7w

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You missed out "only available in England".