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Trump has announced the withdrawal.

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The Five Stages of Trump.

1. It's a total lie, never happened, fake news.
2. It happened, but it's not a big deal. A Nothing Burger
3. Ok, it might be a big deal, but it isn't illegal..so who cares.
4. Ok, it's illegal, but Crooked Hillary and Obummer did "something worse", so it's ok.
5. Get over it Snowflake Libtard, Cupcake, you're just a sore loser!

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Well, now we see what he has planned next.

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There’s a shocker, “Promises made, promises kept.”

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ITV just raised a point. What will happen to countries (such as the UK) if we continue to trade with Iran? He says he'll apply sanctions on anyone who helps Iran with their nuclear power programme, which we assume they'll start again, but does that include trading non-nuclear related stuff that none-the-less helps them indirectly?

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Of course the other possibility is the other signatories maintain the deal and Iran is content with that and doesn't restart the program...

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France, UK and Germany will be staying. No word on Russia and China or Iran yet.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44045957

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When will people learn. Trump is NOT a politican. He is a business man. He doesn't have a clue on how to run a country.

He has looked at what is happening, and is breaking every agreement possible. If it doesn't make money for America. He will pull out.

I was reading American Newspaper. Most of American towns that have Trump this or that. Want it removed as it is tarnishing the country.

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In a way not as the USA has broken an agreement. It does not set a great precedent for future agreements the country might make.

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When will you learn Arthur to stop reading crap in every newspaper?

You read everything without actually ever thinking for yourself.

It is absolute rubbish Arthur, if he doesn't know how to run a country, I'd hate to see others really try their hardest to get the job numbers up, economy improving etc etc, all of which is happening under President Trump.

This Iran deal was terrible, it was not ever passed by Congress because it was NOT a popular arrangement, even some Democrats opposed it, Obama feared he would lose if it passed through Congress, that's why he did not even try, but as for the deal as it stood...Billions of $$ handed over, sanctions lifted for what?

For Iran to improve it's economic prospects and be allowed to still make Nuclear weapons (In Secret) and use them by 2025.

Iran was not remotely interested in Peace, that was a blatant lie, that was obvious by the State sponsored terrorism, Iran was and is currently involved in.

The Iranians are not our friends, yet we would rather side with them than the current occupant of the White House, it is Trump derangement syndrome, yet again.

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I don't agree.

President Obama should have got the Iran deal passed through Congress, but because he knew it was not popular, there was even Democrats against it, he did not do it.

Trump is not an appeaser, that is perfectly obvious, given the fact that Macron and Merkel went to the U.S just weeks ago, trying to convince Trump to stay in the deal.

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The IAEA inspectors said otherwise. Are you getting your intel from Tony Blair's Iraq weapons inspectors?

If he's not an appeaser, why did he hand over $130k to Stormy Daniels?

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And these inspectors have 100% capability to inspect every square inch of Iran?

Give me a break. :rolleyes:

You just don't get it, Iran are a foe, they are not our friends and never will be under their current regime.

He didn't, his lawyer did and even if he did, I couldn't give a shit, over 10 years ago, Trump was a private citizen what he may have or not done, I don't care about.

Did you adopt the current policy of Fake News CNN ?

That is..... Whenever Trump does something to piss off the left, jump straight to a negative Trump story, like the Daniels case.

You know the other night, a Democratic Attorney General based in New York, "Schneiderman" was accused by 4 women of sexual misconduct and beatings... he had to resign..... Well CNN did not cover the story once, stuck to their Stormy Daniels coverage. CNN is the Democratic Propaganda channel, that's why their viewer ratings are absolutely dire compared to other news outlets.

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Oooh talking of the former Democratic AG, "Schneiderman"....

Surprise surprise, looks like he gave the Clinton Foundation a pass when it came to naming foreign donors...

https://nypost.com/2016/09/06/schnei...site%20buttons

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The money was their own money that had been frozen. The sanctions were lifted in return for not developing nuclear weapons.

Where is the evidence they were developing them in secret? My understanding is nuclear weapons are not easy to make, you need heavy water reactors, uranium, specialists and specialist requirement to say the least. We knew when North Korea had started developing them after all even before tests.

Ok but will you apply the same to North Korea? Any deal done with them is also going to involve the lifting of sanctions.

No one is saying Iran are our friends but that not developing nuclear weapons in return for a lifting of sanctions is a fair trade and to be honest if it were Trump who did this deal his fans would be calling for the Nobel peace prize as they're doing for North Korea even before a deal.

The main thing I don't get though is what's Trump's plan to stop them developing weapons now? It can't be 'we'll apply sanctions'.....

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BoJo called him out on this recently and he's a man who knows what having no plan B looks like.
I think it's a bit like Obamacare. Trump's issue is that Obama signed the deal.
As you said, like Korea, Trump's fan base would have been all over the Iran deal if he had signed it.

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They certainly would not, Trump would not have signed a deal as terrible as it was, handed over Billions in cash, regardless if it was Iran’s or not. Removed sanctions that allowed a ‘foe’ to prosper and finance State sponsored terrorism.

And No, the issue with Obamacare was that it got expensive, but not anymore, seeing as the Tax budgets that was passed, saw the individual mandate of Obamacare removed.

I don’t think anyone in their right minds would happily just accept massive increases in their healthcare bills, you would not, some families were seeing $1,000’s added to monthly costs. And there was that ridiculous lie Obama told, saying you could keep your doctor.....

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Well what deal will he sign? What will N.Korea want?

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I gather they would want the Korean Peninsula to be demiliterised, I cannot see the U.S falling for that, that would be a mistake. NK will certainly want sanctions lifted.

North Korea have already showed some interesting moves, reset their clocks to no longer be half n hour behind that of South Korea, released U.S detainees, I do believe they are now in U.S Secretary of State's Mike Pompeo's custody as we speak.

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Ok but given the problem with the Iranian deal is that it was only a stop on development of the weapons until a later date then surely the equivalent request from NK would be to give up the weapons they've already developed?

Isn't a bit inconsistent to be against the lifting of sanctions on Iran as the deal was only a stop-gap measure to halt their progression but be fine with it on North Korea even if they don't give up the weapons they already have?

I mean if Trump gets them to halt the development altogether than fair play to him but if the end result is Iran develops these weapons then what's the point? Even in the worst case scenario under the existing deal, that they develop them anyway, all that tearing up the deal does is bring that day closer.

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That's been confirmed - really good news.

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From the Military Times.

https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-be...-for-a-decade/

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44080723

It's going to be hard for some EU companies if the other signatories do decide to stick with the Agreement.Even if they do this.

Whatever happens it's a mess.

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Not sure how credible it is but a video was uploaded to YouTube by some news site stating that if the U.S broke from the deal and imposed sanctions Iran were going to release the name's of all western politicians who financially benefitted from the original deal. Be interesting to see in the coming days if that's true or not could certainly do some damage if it is true.

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It was something Hossein Jaberi Ansari their foreign minister said on tv apparently, classy, trying to blackmail people who have taken bribes to exert influence and pressure on the donald, a pox on all their houses imo

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Well if it's true then despite Iran's intentions for doing it i think we need to know if any of our politicians were amongst them and if it goes as high as a national leader they should resign well anyone involved should resign and be subject of an investigation with custodial sentences.

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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news...000551315.html Looks like Kim Jong-Un is playing silly beggars again...

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Wait and see but I don't trust them.

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Any process that involves NK isn't going to be lacking silliness and pettiness at times I'm sure all parties expected things of this nature when entering into this process.

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This is probably a bluff anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go back to their isolationist ways later but for now 1) China won't be happy and 2) they would surely at least do so after getting something.

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Is Kim Jong-Un playing Trump like a Stradivarius as some have suggested or is he just messing around before negotiating? I suggest the latter, I don't think he has a strong negotiating position and his nuclear test site collapsed anyway. He'll be at the negotiating table once he's had his fun.

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Possibly NK has taken a long hard look at the tearing up of the Iran treaty by the Donald.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44134910 I thought the whole point of the talks was "de-nuclearisation"?

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Really why would they go this far and only now say they object to the denuclearisation?

Either they assumed they could keep their nuclear weapons and only close the testing site which, has has been mentioned on here already, was close to collapse anyway or they've been messing everyone around or this is a bluff....

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Or maybe Mr Kim doesn't actually have as much control in NK as we are led to believe.

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Are the US prepared to denuclearise aswell?

NK are playing games and the US has fallen for it. Still Kim got to plant a tree and have a free holiday in South Korea so that's all good !

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The U.S is a recognised Nuclear capability country, just as we are and France. We are not 'rogue' Countries like North Korea is.

Rogue Countries should not be allowed to possess or manufacture Nuclear weapons.

Iran is also a Rogue country. The terrible deal that's now seen the U.S walk away, was allowing Iran to thrive, while all the time they are planning on still fulfilling their ambition, to become a Nuclear State, we cannot allow Middle Eastern countries trying to outwit each other and build nuclear weapons, that could fall foul in to the wrong hands, ISIS to name a few entities that wouldn't hesitate using them to cause mass deaths in the West.

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North Korea have no intention of giving up the neuclear weapons they now have.
Full translation of their announcement yesterday.

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Ok but now they can just develop one immediately....:erm:

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Who defines what a 'rogue' country is? There's only one country that has actually used nuclear weapons who now have a paranoid schizoid with impulsive mood swings in charge.

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But surely the challenge for any country undertaking negotiations with the USA is wondering if any agreement will be unilaterally withdrawn from, without discussion, in the future - this is what happened to the JCPOA.

It doesn't matter what you think of the deal - it was agreed between multiple governments, the compliance oversight was working (as agreed by the IAEA and the US State Department); what treaty is worth anything if one country can unilaterally declare it void? (and threaten to sanction countries who still try to make it work).

If nations can't trust U.S. commitments made by an administration that is no longer in office, then every pledge is valid for only four years.

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That's pretty much it, anything agreed by any country appears to be who runs it at the time. There has been plenty of U-turns in the UK on policy and government changes.

As for Kim j perhaps he's playing the world for a fool I guess time will tell. I read in the paper yesterday that he's moaning about the military exercise in SK at the min however they were suspended during the winter games and NK was informed that these would continue until the end of May once the Winter games were over so I don't see what his problem is.

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The only country that has used neclear weapons want no country to have them
including themselves.

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Are you sure about that?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/w...nah-river.html

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And Russia?

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That video of Trump and the prostitutes is Russia's main defence !

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That's just salacious rumour, with no supporting evidence.

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Not a rogue nation. Who invaded Iraq on lies and inuendos?

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Irrelevant. You know what I meant. :rolleyes:

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http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...n-interference

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You’re late posting this Hugh. Either way.... Thought it has been established Russia interfered in U.S Election...This is Old news.

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BREAKING: Special Counsel Robert Mueller has informed Trump legal team he won’t indict the president-this following the precedent that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Source: AP.

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That’s the bit a lot of people have been denying...

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No, rubbish, they are still denying that President Trump colluded with Russians to help him win. No evidence to date (except evidence showing the pathetic Democrats and Hillary paying for the dossier that was compiled by Steele and information said to be obtained from Russians, that's the real collusion which you keep conveniently ignoring!!!) :rolleyes:

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The dossier wouldn't be collusion either as the problem would be the campaign knowingly conspiring with a foreign government to win an election. The problem isn't have people talk to people who are Russian for dirt. It's the knowing involvement of a foreign government that makes the critical difference.

As an example the campaign paying Christopher Steel for the dossier isn't colluding with Britain but if the Clinton campaign had gotten this information from MI6 itself then it would be.

As I have said before I don't think it makes sense for the Russians to conspire with Trump because why take the risk? They both temporary had the same goals, to defeat Clinton, so why the need to collude? The main risk to Trump are his campaign seems to have been disorganised with many staffers going off on their own little adventures. Walter Mitty characters trying to inflate their own importance to Trump. So it's possible one or more of them did something stupid. The other risk is Trump's paranoia about the investigation, the implication he needed help, causes him to do something stupid that then places him in legal trouble. It was the cover-up that got Nixon and it was the lie that almost got Clinton. The original incidents were not the cause of the downfall for either of them.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44143960


Oooh, now he remembers ! The Donald is so forgetful, maybe he should tie a knot in his hanky or something :D

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Well, the President’s lawyer says it’s OK to do that...;)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ng-for-dirt-on So, no collusion by the Democrats, according to the President’s lawyer...

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He was right when he said "may be you shouldn't", I would say paying a foreign country that is technically an adversary, for information or dirt on Trump is plainly illegal on any front but it's not just this that has occurred, we have FISA abuses under the Obama DOJ and the potential to illegally spy on Trump campaign.

Every day, the dots keep appearing and it's not hard to join them all up... unless those with Trump derangement syndrome have another agenda.

These are the key facts:

The discovery of all those text messages between Strzok and Page, raise serious concerns. The DOJ produced a first tranche of text messages on December 12, 2017, and a second tranche on January 19, 2018. These text messages raise several questions about the FBI's conduct under the Obama Administration and its investigation of classified information on Hillary Clinton’s private email server when she was Secretary of State.

Strzok and Page discussed serving to “protect the country from the menace” of Trump enablers or deplorable's as Clinton labeled them as, and the possibility of an “insurance policy” against the “risk” of a Trump presidency.

The two discussed then U.S Attorney General Loretta Lynch, knowing that Hillary Clinton would not face charges before the FBI had even interviewed Hillary and before her announcement that she would accept Director Comey’s prosecution decision. Let's also not forget Lynch herself, meeting with President Bill Clinton just days earlier on the back of a plane, while it sat on the tarmac in Phoenix, supposedly having a 40 minute chat about "The grandkids".

They wrote about drafting talking points for then Director James Comey because President Obama wants to know everything they were doing. This was a President who said on TV he does not talk to the FBI on pending cases, ever, period, those were his words and yet there is chatter about him wanting to know what they were doing.

The FBI did not use a grand jury to compel testimony and obtain the vast majority of evidence, choosing instead to offer immunity deals to key Clinton people and allow fact witnesses to join key interviews. This softly softly treatment against Hillary Clinton vs. the investigation of Russian Collusion and Trump, is at serious odds, the rule of law and balance of it, has to be equal no matter who the person is.

Strzok and Page also exchanged views about the investigation on possible Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, calling it “unfinished business” and and it being an investigation leading to impeachment, drawing parallels to Watergate.

The text messages raise several important questions that deserve serious public scrutiny

• Whether the extent to which, any personal animus and/or political bias influenced the FBI’s investigation in to Hillary Clinton's FBI Criminal Investigation;

• Whether, and the extent to which, the Obama Department of Justice or White House influenced the FBI’s investigation or had inappropriately and or even illegally intervened (Obstruction of Justice);

• Whether the extent to which, any personal animus and/or political bias influenced the FBI’s actions with respect to President Trump.

Strzok and Page exchanged texts about edits to Director Comey’s statement on Hillary Clinton. Strzok texted, “K. Rybicki just sent another version.” Page responded, “Bill just popped his head in, hopefully to talk to him.” (“Bill” refers to Bill Priestap, Strzok’s boss). Strzok replied, “Hope so. Just left Bill. . . . He changed President to ‘another senior government official.’”

In Comey’s final statement, even the reference to “another senior government official” might have been viewed as too incriminating, and it was removed altogether.

On May 19, 2017, two days after Robert Mueller III was appointed Special Counsel, Strzok and Page discussed the staffing of the Special Counsel investigation. Strzok wrote, “For me, and this case, I personally have a sense of unfinished business. I unleashed it with MYE. Now I need to fix it and finish it.” MYE is a reference to "Mid year exam" FBI code name for Criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton.

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The President's lawyer disagrees with you.

Do you also think it's wrong for a candidate to ask a foreign country that is technically an adversary, for information or dirt on Clinton? Is that plainly illegal on any front?

You know, like when Donald Trump asked Vladimir Putin's ace hackers to "find the 30,000 emails that are missing" from Hillary Clinton's mail server?

Or when Donald Trump Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton*?

Or when Papadopolous, a member of the Trump Campaign team, met with a Maltese professor and a Russian woman who had "dirt" on Clinton?

Were those actions plainly illegal?

*Trump Jr's testimony states

Quote:

"In his email to me, Rob suggested that someone had official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary Clinton and her dealings with Russia and that the information would be very useful to the campaign."

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Of course not..but impeachment? Maybe.

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And you suddenly give a shit what he thinks? :rolleyes:

You are not proving anything to me so don't take the piss with silly petty winks. I know exactly where he coming from and what he is talking about, doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

Sorry I don't answer hypothetical questions. Such questions holds no basis due to lack of evidence, second year and counting etc!

We sure as hell needed to know all the scandals on that horrible candidate they had running, AKA Hillary Clinton. Dare I say the "Crooked" one, oops just said it, silly me.

They should have stuck with Bernie but oh no, they cheated him out of it in the primaries by giving her the questions to the debate, they backed the wrong horse, she was and still is largely a terrible candidate, who LIED to a Benghazi victims mother!!!

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Nope, the numbers do not stack in the Senate and it's the Senate that it really matters. 66 Yay's needed,. there is currently 49 Democratic Senators, in the Mid terms, 10 Republican seats are up for re-election. Even if the Dems managed to pick all them up, there is still NOT enough to convict and remove Trump from office, not to mention that even if they tried that his base would literally take to the streets and riot and cause massive civil unrest, the removal of Trump would cause a civil war, because there is this stupid Coup to illegitimately remove the legitimate elected President of the United States, all because one evil, crooked candidate, cannot accept she rightfully lost the race.

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Fox News legal expert thinks Trump can be indicted.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...esident-is-not And bear in mind, the "President cannot be indicted" is coming from Guiliani repeating something that one of Mueller's team is supposed to have said - it has not been confirmed by anyone else...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.35846ef0e770 I would take Guiliani's statement with a large pinch of salt.

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OED definition of hypothetical - "Supposed but not necessarily real or true."

1. Trump said the words at a rally, then tweeted them
2, Trump Jr actually gave this as evidence at the Senate Intelligence Committee hearing
3. Papadopolous pled guilty to making false statements to the FBI about the contacts he had with the Russian Government.

They're not hypothetical, they actually happened.

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blo...nceivable3.jpg

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That's an interesting assertion that you say this when the last couple of posts you don't appear to have taken what he said with a pinch of salt and started blabbing on about what he's said in the last 24 hours. :rolleyes:

Make your mind up. :dozey:

And still none of that links back to any actual collusion with Trump and Russia which was my whole point about there being hypothetical questions on non-existent crimes, so enough of the silly childish memes, this is a discussion forum, not Twitter.

Bottom line is, there is STILL no evidence after nearly two years of investigations, of possible collusion with Trump and Russia, but there is documented evidence between DNC, Hillary, funding the Dossier with Fusion GPS and Steele and the Russians, a point you keep trying to gloss over (and failing).

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Hillarys Crime Syndicate Inc still roans free to reek havoc though Mick. Why hasn't Trump put her in Guantanamo ? Shes still at large, he's failed on law and order, he promised to lock her up. Another failure.

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I doubt he ever intended to lock her up but the promise helped get him elected.

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Patience.

Office of Inspector General for DOJ has his long report ready in draft form and is scheduled for release very soon, within days so I have seen said, sources claim, Horowitz reports that DOJ/FBI broke the law under Obama Administration, trying to protect Hillary Clinton during her investigation and has recommended criminal charges to Huber the federal prosecutor, who was tasked to work along side him.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...efers-criminal

https://www.westernjournal.com/repor...n-email-probe/

It's also important to note that Inspector General, Michael Horowitz went to war with the Obama Administration to restore the OIG's powers - and didn't get them back until Trump took office.

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Hillary Clinton's actions were never fully investigated either in regard to the emails or benghazi and the F.B.I were completely incompetent in their so called investigation with so many immunity deals dished out that it gutted the entire process. Obama also has serious questions to answer as his public statements and what he did in the background are completely contrary and could amount to obstrucion of justice. There's no ifs or buts Trump has so far failed to do what most who voted for him wanted and that was to clear out the washington political system of the corruption that's rampant and has been rampant for some time now.

Just recently he has stabbed the 2nd amendment community in the back by appointing an anti gun judge on the 9th circuit and the reaction to that is already gaining momentum and if it isn't sorted out will cost him that support in future.

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That will take a long time. It's a good start with the evidence coming out about Comey and the rest of his ilk. Kudos to people like John Solomon and Sara Carter.


I believe ex CIA people like Kevin Shipp, who have been part of the deep state/Shadow Government. And that is going to take a long time to fix, if it ever does get fixed. The globalists won't give up. In fact, they win.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQou...sXWN-cDZ-&t=0s

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Quite an interesting and informative read on the difference between the Clinton/Trump investigations.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ble-standards/

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And you're not a particular great fan of Trump and even you can tell the absolute disgrace the imbalance of justice has been here between the two investigations.

The for her, Hillary team destroys emails, smashes up storage devices blah blah and her key people get immunity deals. She gets cleared when clear legal statutes were violated.

Trump uses his Constitutional Authority as the head of the Executive Branch to fire FBI Director, James Comey and gets Obstruction of Justice thrown his way (Despite him personally not being under investigation at the time, so how one can obstruct justice in this respect, is beyond me).

The Clinton email investigation will be shown for what it was, a sham, to clear her to the Presidency, had she been indicted, it would have invalidated her candidacy for President and if Trump still won, there was an 'Insurance Policy' to illegitimately remove the legitimately elected President of the United States. This IG Report is expected to be damning on the Clinton FBI probe and is expected next few weeks.

And just this weekend, it's been fairly big news in the U.S, not so much here, that an FBI informant was implanted in to the Trump campaign in 2016, as a method to spy/surveil on Trump.

A couple of hours ago Trump tweeted an angry tweet saying he was going to demand his Justice department investigate if this was the case (as NYT and WaPo have reported it) and who ordered that in the Obama White House.

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Generally the White House doesn't direct FBI operations. So it's a big leap to order an investigation into that accusation without there being any proof.

Also just for some context to the 'FBI agent implanted into Trump's campaign to spy on Trump':

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...ry?id=55309163

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Everything about this is making me want to vomit.

Trump is covering his own backside. IF there is proof and it can be found he has lied to the American people and should be impeached.

As for Clinton, l believe that she is the innocent victim in this matter. The FBI has found NOTHING to take her through the courts. Whereas when it was brought up during the elections it DID harm her election. Whereas with Trump - he stated he was surprised that he had won.

When he was asked during the election. He was asked ' do you think you will win' His return remark was ' we shall see'. He said that several times during the elction.

Since he won, he had employed most of his family to the White House. So who is running his vast company.

I think the biggest problem in America is that, there are big buck lawyers ready to pull strings. Its already been said on in thread that Trump knew about the money paid to the hooker. Remember what Bill Clinto said ' I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH LOWINSKI' what happened he DID.

Trump is a lie, and should be impeached

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It's all very strange. I think it's just the technique he uses of sewing doubt in peoples' minds so they think there's no smoke without fire to promote his credentials in the Republican Party. I doubt he seriously believes that Obama's government would have interfered in the running of the FBI.

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You really are a little behind the times, as is Arthur, who should go back to following what the latest issues in Coronation Street or X-Factor are... as he clearly has not got a clue what he's talking about and is unable to form his own opinion on anything, without the aid of a good tabloid or some cheap magazine or American book because he "reads" you know. :rolleyes:

Why shouldn't Trump believe about the Obama Admin trying to frame him?

I certainly believe Obama Admin did, he certainly had ******* underlings seeming to be doing his dirty deeds for him, John Brennan, former CIA Dir, Clapper....all because they couldn't accept the prospect of a Trump Presidency. They had a lot to lose when Trump won, mainly their jobs.

Anyway, the DOJ have responded to Trump's demands tonight saying they WILL expand the scope of the FISA abuses investigation via the OIG, to include whether or not a directive was given from the Obama WH to spy on Trump campaign and if they find wrong doing will initiate criminal referrals if evidence is found.

DOJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores responded tonight by saying:

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1. Did the Obama have past form with this type of thing? No.
2. Would the FBI do something purely political? Unlikely.
3. Why has Trump only raised it now?

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They will still need evidence the FBI were taking their orders from the White House rather just being a routine part of the investigation. Remember that the actual reports allege this agent met people suspect of Russian interference and they were not embedded within the Trump campaign.

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Just because Arthur has come up with a different opinion than yours doesn't make it invalid.

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The F.B.I are very capable of being politically motivated they have been in the past and given the level of corruption within the American political system it's not that big of a stretch to believe there was a campaign of sorts against Trump. We have contradictory accounts already with Obama saying he had nothing to do with the F.B.I investigation and agents communicating that he was closely following the investigation.

As for Clinton the sheer number of immunity deals handed out made that investigation a total joke and it has been heavily criticised from all directions. Too much information was lost\destroyed by Clinton for there not to have been something damning and again we have Clinton publicly saying one thing and the families of the Benghazi personnel saying she told them something totally different. If I was totally innocent of any wrongdoing in regard to something I wouldn't stop calling for a proper investigation to exonerate me after the joke investigation unlike Clinton who is the only person happy with the joke investigation.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...n-surveillance

The wording is interesting...

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...n-surveillance Not "the Trump presidential campaign" but "a presidential campaign".

And "inappropriate purposes" - what if they find it was for "appropriate purposes" like criminal activity?

That widens the brief.

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Reading the context of Trump's tweet is interesting. Apparently it was in response to leaks that his son met two princes from Saudia Arabia and the UAE who were offering their assistance to help Trump win the election. So his tweet sounds like a regular Trump distraction ploy.

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1) You must have missed the brief where evidence was uncovered that the Obama Administration spied on foreign country leaders, like Angela Merkel's cell phone, spied on former UN Secretary General, Bank Ki-Moon etc....

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/03/p...ion/index.html

So to answer your first question. Big FAT YES!

2) Again have you been sleeping?

Andrew McCabe, Deputy FBI Director who was fired because he lied, under Oath several times, (Lacked Candor) his wife accepted Donations from a Democrat. He is supposed to have sat on information that thousands of more Clinton emails were found before the FBI announced they were re-opening the Clinton email investigation.

Two Agents who fell in love with each other, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, which breaks FBI protocol, were texting each other like crazy and a trail of texts discovered showed their political bias towards Hillary, such strong bias led to a very 'infected' investigation, where they decided to clear Hillary Clinton of wrong doing but decided they would act against Trump if he won, re their "Insurance Policy" that they texted each other, about that they had discussed a plan in "Andy's office", that's Andy McCabe.

So to answer number 2. Yes they acted Politically. As Trump as accused them of being so, they were tainted under it's former leadership.

As for 3, Trump has repeatedly said he and has campaign were spied on, he raised it weeks after being inaugurated that Obama admin spied on him. He was laughed at and shrugged off as just being silly, he is having the last laugh now.

Remember he tweeted this last year.....

So he has not just suddenly been claiming he was spied upon...

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/05/9.jpg

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If the FBI were politically motivated, why did they announce just over a week before the election they were re-opening the mail server investigation (then closed it a couple of days later)?

Why didn’t any of the ‘politically motivated’ FBI leak that there was an on-going investigation into the Trump campaign during the presidential election, say, just before the election voting day?

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There have been several Republican led investigations into Benghazi which found nothing really on Clinton. The e-mail thing seems dodgy but Benghazi has been so exhaustively gone over, multiple times, by Republican politicians intentionally looking for incriminating evidence that it seems we won't find anything more. At this point people can believe what they want to believe. I am not sure what yet another investigation into Benghazi will find that the several ones before did not.

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If you were being politically targeted by your opponents, spied upon "Illegally" re FISA abuses, had informants planted in your campaign, i'd be going absolutely mad as well, it's bloody disgusting how the Obama Administration acted, weaponising the FBI/DOJ to spy on a political opponent is a massive scandal that breaks all other scandals, this absolutely dwarfs the Nixon/Watergate era, from the early 70's.

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The US Government spying on foreign governments is not quite the same thing. Sort of what intelligence services do.


But so far every accusation Obama 'spied' on him has actually been the FBI investigations people other than him on his campaign during the Russian hacking investigation.

There has been not a shred of evidence that:

1) Obama ordered the wiretapping or spying on the targets of the investigation itself

2) That Trump himself had his phoned tapped

What this has amounted to so far is the resentment that anyone close to Trump should be investigated for anything at all.

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Proof?

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It's there. Those text messages gave insight into the political wrong doings for sure under the Obama Administration, they have history of spying on foreign entities, Angela Merkel, UN etc, if they can spy on them, their political opponent is not immune for sure....

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As I said there is a big difference between spying on foreign country, bread and butter stuff for intelligence services, and spying on domestic opponents. You cannot make the leap that the former is evidence for the latter, every country spies on other countries. What do you think MI6 does for example?

And the proof isn't there. You make massive leaps to get there. The text messages do not say Obama was choosing who to wiretap, that Trump himself was wiretapped or that they have an informant embedded in the campaign. The articles about this informant only state that someone undercover talked to suspects which itself is normal in an investigation.

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Wouldn't it be better to keep all these issues separate, it's to easy to deflect criticism by saying so and so did this or as is proving the case might have done this, possibly did that, could have ordered that or thought this was a good idea

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I’m sorry Damien, you don’t like the fact that the DNC potentially acted totally illegal here. There is definitely evidence of them funding the Fake Dossier (and tried to hide that funding).

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Well I've outlined my issue with it. I would not unsurprised if the DNC would have acted illegally, I don't have any allegiance to the institutions of a foreign country and American politics is far more corrupt than our own. I don't think that corruption is limited to one side of the aisle.

But you're saying Obama spied on Trump for which there is no evidence. All the 'evidence' given relate to the FBI investigation into Russian interference in the election where they tapped the phone of a suspect and sent an undercover agent to meet suspects.

They do not show, as you've claimed, that the agent was 'embedded' in the Trump campaign to spy on Trump. Just as the fact the CIA bugged the phone calls of foreign leaders doesn't equate to evidence they spied on Trump.

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Great opinion piece, sums up my thoughts exactly....

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary...protect-us-all

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1BD0UO

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All the Benghazi investigations conducted so far were not given everything quite a lot of records have been classified and redacted and what's not redacted is basically worthless, i thought that if congress requested access to any documents they would get them complete and unredacted apparently not.

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I thought these X-files deep state theories were dead and buried but they seem to have been resurrected by Trump and pals.

Firstly, I do think a deep state does exist in some poorer countries with less developed democracies. For example, we've seen the Turkish and Indonesian armies take over those countries when they felt the goverment was not too its fancy. The US has no history of this. The fact that sitting presidents like Nixon, Clinton and Trump can be investigated shows no one is above the law and that's the way it should be.

ironically, despite Trump's allegations, he has clearly benefited from the FBI's actions. The Bureau re-opened an inquiry into Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of official emails publicly...whilst keeping mum about its suspicions of links between the Russian state and the Trump campaign.

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BREAKING: NEWLY released E-mails Show Former FBI Deputy Director, Andrew McCabe Discussed Dossier Briefing Details With CNN.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/21/...g-details-cnn/

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If the FBI didn't want Trump to win, why didn't they leak the fact that his campaign had been under investigation since July 2016 (during the campaign, or just before the Election date)?

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Maybe because disclosing one thing would link it to another, something they didn't want exposed?

Often when you drop a ball of string you lose control of when it stops unraveling ;)

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Can you give me an example of something?

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The FISA warrant.

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That is not so. It's been there from the get-go. Many of the Founding Fathers were top level Masons. Who believed in a New Atlantis. There have been, what we now call New World Order Globalists in America at the top level from the beginning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBL...c&index=2&t=0s

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BREAKING: Approx. 12 GOP Congressmen/women jointly issue Resolutions Bill for Second Special Counsel to investigate the Obama DOJ/FBI for election meddling in the 2016 U.S Presidential Election.

Congressman: Jim Jordan says: "If you have a problem with Congress overseeing Executive Branch agencies, take it up with the guys who wrote the Constitution."

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Democrats are in trouble come Mid-Terms....

Reuters poll shows Republicans leading Democrats in generic ballots for first time this Election cycle..

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...for-first-time

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-summit-602669