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that's a novel debating technique you got there Mick,ignore or refuse to debate the questions that show the Republicans or Trump in a bad light .

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It's a conspiracy I tell you! "Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me"

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So it's the 'liberal media' that forces senators and WH staff to behave like they are behaving then :rolleyes:

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Nunes has recused himself because he essentially lost the confidence of the committee, which still contains Republicans, after he went straight the White House when he 'discovered' the FISA warrant intercepts might have contained records from members of the Trump transition team. It's meant to be a independent and bi-partisan committee. The Senate one for example has been a lot more professional.

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Many Democrats would agree the rising premiums are a problem. It's certainly not perfect. However many people before couldn't afford it at all. More Americans have health insurance, people with pre-existing conditions can no longer be denied coverage and all insurances have to meet a basic standard of coverage rather than trying to screw over their clients. That to me, and presumably to the Americans who now have coverage, is an improvement.

If it was such a failure then it would be easier to overturn but it turns out Americans like some of Obamacare if not the recent premium rise. Trump has he would make it cheaper, not remove people's insurance, and that is quite difficult.

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Wrong again, I just could not give a toss about what happened during the Bush Administration.

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All well and good but I'll stick with my views and those of my American friends that Obamacare was and is crap.

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Nothing to do with the WH what happens in congress, separate entity.

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My friends would disagree, Obama lied about being able to keep your own doctor. Many Americans have been forced to change doctors. It is a totally dire system that is getting more and more expensive. That's more households with huge increases per month, some families having to find $900+ extra per month. I'm just relaying what my American pals are telling me. They say in America profit is put first before patient welfare and it's been this way for a long time.

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Looks like the Republicans have gone Nuclear and changed the rules to get Trump's Supreme Court pick confirmed by Friday.

http://news.sky.com/story/republican...-pick-10827658

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It's a fresh blow for Donald Trump. Not my wise words, but those of The Times. It points out:
(Subscription: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...-out-lrmft0vpx)

The Nunes situation is not great for Trump. However, Trump seems to have learnt that employing a peddlar of fake news in a position of power is not a sensible idea and so put Steve Bannon out of his misery by removing him from the National Security Council.

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I am sure they would and there are clearly problems with Obamacare. I am glad we don't live in a system that puts profit so central to the goal of providing healthcare. The bills are outrageous and even with insurance that fact you have to deal with paper work, insurance claims and so on whilst dealing with illness is inhumane.

I think though Obamacare is a step towards a better system. More people have coverage and you can get it for pre-existing conditions. They need to do more to bring down the cost but I can't see the Republicans allowing more state funding or more intervention on the healthcare 'market'. The Freedom Caucus wanted everything cut drastically for example.

If we take Trump's desire to ensure 'everyone' has healthcare but cheaper then he has the wrong congress.

Got to wonder where this will end. The Republicans were wrong to refuse Obama's pick even a hearing in over a year, the Democrats are wrong to respond by refusing to vote to confirm Trump's nominee in revenge, the Republicans are wrong to get rid of a tactic they've been more than happy to use is response. The cycle will ever end.

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Wow. Looks like Trump's foreign policy has now changed to action in Syria to remove Assad. Waiting for a proper news story.

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I'm hearing Pentagon officials have approached the White House to consider military options in Syria and it looks tonight as if the Russians are now starting to distance themselves from Assad by basically saying their support for his regime is not unconditional.

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We'll see. It's a pretty big shift if the US is going to intervene in Syria.

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Yup, looking more possible by the minute.
http://news.sky.com/story/white-hous...syria-10827749

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I think it'll be a near unanimous agreement that something has to be done, but I can't help but fear an accident with Russia somewhere down the line akin to what the Turkish did over a 17 second airspace incursion. It's a very delicate situation this. I didn't like the idea of the US and Russia in the same conflict zone before, I'm still not liking it now.

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80 missiles fired into Syria by American warships

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39523654

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The fan has now been struck with some of that smelly brown waste :erm:

So much for that dream relationship with Putin. Trump just made a formal statement confirming the strike order. The number of missiles isn't solid yet, fluctuations between 50-80 with the 'official' being 60.

Russian news source^

Lopsided Russian view on it, the USA would not strike without intelligence, I'm fairly certain at the very least they've had an operational drone watching the place since the chemical attack.

(C) - There is absolutely no credibility in this story besides a bleak Russian source, it's essentially believe Russia or bust on that claim, there's no evidence.

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If no further action is taken I'd say the US Russian relationship is not only intact but stronger than people might think.

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I think when it comes in fighting jihadist. US and Russia are strong allies.

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Not sure how this will turn out, not sure if further intervention will happen, not sure if this will help. I think we should have intervened years ago, back when Parliament voted it down, it seems rather late now.

Still considering Trump looked like he would reduce American's role in the world and leave much of the middle-east and Eastern Europe to Russian interests. I think he should be commended for drawing a line over what Assad is allowed to do and the willingness to intervene. America taking an active role in the world is better for us than Russia doing so. I am also encouraged by the removal of Bannon from the NSC.

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What a wonderful response to wake up to. I now hope that smirk has been firmly wiped off that ugly arse face of Assad.

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Meaningful intervention is usually a lose lose situation in matters as complex as these. The odd military gesture is one thing but doing anything more is going to mean suffering years of flak and reprisals from one group/side or another both externally and internally. The best possible outcome we can hope for is the least worst one.

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I agree with you regards the Bannon decision. I just hope Trump has better intelligence on this issue than Bush/Blair did over Iraq. Fighting in the same war zone on the opposing side to Russia is interesting to say the least.

Given his protectionist/America First policy stance, I cannot see him putting boots on the ground so his abilities is actually removing Assad may be limited.

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America will always be damned if they do, damned if they don't. This seems to lay a sensible red line down to Syria and Russia.

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So, Mr Putin. Where was your mega hi-tech air defence system that can track targets as small as your wiener, shoot down cruise missiles AND make the coffee?

Have a nice day

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maybe they turn it off at night;),on a serious note you have a good point there

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Maybe eh. Putin probably looked at his smart meter and thought ah sod that ;)

There are rumours floating about that the Americans warned them in advance. Still doesn't make the little bully boy look good though ;)

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Interesting to see the nuttier supporters of Trump like Infowars are starting to distance themselves from him. This is no bad thing for Trump.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7671601.html

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They will have been warned well in advance. What the leaders say in public and what goes on behind the scenes are different things. I sense Putin is getting a bit fed up with Assad, the Russian response hasn't been outright outrage. All very difficult though, both sides are nasty pieces of work in Syria, the innocent civilians inbetween.

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Either I'm misinformed or as usual you only read what you want to be informed of.

There are 3 sides involved.

Government forces.

Rebel forces.

ISIS.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=46641107

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And ? Thanks for posting a link with no explanation.

But, you appear to have missed the well known memo, which says the Trump Team warned Russia of the cruise strikes in advance, therefore it's safe to assume then that Russia warned Syria.

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to destroy the air base :shrug:

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The US is looking into if Russia were involved in the gas attack. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4004f...-resolve-syria

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It was for information, not confrontation.

I believed the article was self-explanatory, therefore needed no commentary.

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Syrians hail Donald Trump as their new champion: Abu Ivanka al-Amriki

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nka-al-amriki/

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Doesn't look like Trump's actions during the early hours, has upset China's President.

U.S Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson has just confirmed President Trump has accepted an Invitation to China from President XI Jinping, China's President says he understood the U.S response to the chemical attacks in Syria because children had died.

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Looks like Nigel Farage is though. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7671986.html

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Oh dear, Nige and the Donald have fallen out. It won't be over Syria, it'll be over a golfing invite or maybe Nige has been overlooked for the Palace dinner....
tbf this is the first good thing Trump has done.

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Great to see some of those nutters around the world like Le Pen being wrong-sided by Trump's actions. And encouraging to see Trump carrying out Obama's policies be it leaving the successful Obamacare in place or bombing Syria when it crossed the red line on the use of chemical weapons. Just a shame Congress did not allow Obama to do this when he was in power.

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Pleased he has done what he has done but he does need to reflect on his previous comments


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...hemical-attack

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Obama failed to carry out his 'red line' threat.

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They have a disagreement on a single policy; get real for goodness sake! A job awaits both of you at CNN.

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Nice try but Obamacare is not successful, as already pointed out several times.

As for the rest of your post. Obama did not need Congressional approval to begin with, back in 2013, after Assad first used chemical weapons against his own people, he could have gone down the route Trump just has by going down the War Powers Resolution Act of 1973, which so long as the current sitting President notifies congress of his committed military action within 48 hours, the President does not need Congressional Authorization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_S...missile_strike

The bottom line is as history recalls, In 2012, Obama drew a line warning Assad of using chemical weapons, Assad crossed it, with a chemical attack in 2013 and Obama, the US and pretty much the rest of the world did nothing, including ourselves.

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Apparently the system has been weakened due to the amount of territory government forces lost in the war but they're going to beef it up now or so the Russians say.

Several things have struck me about this whole episode

Why did assad use chemical weapons, he's winning the war it makes no sense to anyone remotely sane, which might be the answer right there

It was a shame that a small presence had to be left on the base to guard it after it was evacuated, 6 more lives sacrificed.

Personally I think the course of action taken was well thought out on all levels, its just irksome ISIS and others like them are celebrating it.

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Obama followed Trumps advice if you want to be picky .Trump has done a complete 180 on Syria which is reason enough to suggest that he used the chemical attack to deflect from his problems at home and try to increase his popularity.

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Trump has done a u-turn over his previous isolationist, stay of Syria and don't provoke Russia policy but we should welcome it. There is only so much we should tolerate and gas attacks are a step too far.

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Nonsense. Have you never changed your mind when confronted by stark reality?

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I don't see this as a change of 'policy' or 'direction', I see it as one response to one situation. The rest remains to be seen.

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Because Obama went for Congressional approval, and was told he wouldn't get it.

Trump didn't go to Congress.

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So, Trump was wrong when he criticised Obama for wanting to bomb Syria, then, in response to chemical weapons use?

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You keep repeating anecdotal evidence from your US friends is not the same thing as showing a number of times that Obamacare was not successful.

I have quite a lot of American friends, and my brother-in-law has lived there for the past 5-6 years, and he and a majority of his friends (and quite a lot of my US friends) think it is a success, because 10 million more people are covered.

They explain the price rises as normal (as I showed earlier for the bush Presidency), and whilst our anecdotal evidence is personal experience, 10 million additional people covered is cold hard fact.

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LOL. Obama did NOT follow citizen Trump's advice at all, that is just plain daft but not surprising coming from you and btw he has no problems at home. Supreme Court pick now confirmed.

You know, I find it reprehensible that there is still people like you, who it does not matter that an evil ass dictator, gassed his own people, but not just people, children and babies, it was only the other day you was moaning Trump had no plan and now he had a plan all along and just did not broadcast it, followed his plan and took decisive action fast and you're still whinging, damned if he did nothing, but still damned now he has done something, because the crux of your problem is, that it's still Trump.

You know, even Mr K and Damien are honest enough to admit that what Trump did was welcomed, but oh no, not narrow minded martyh and to some degree, I have to include Hugh also here. :rolleyes:

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As pointed out above. Obama did not need to and nor did Trump.

Nothing anecdotal about it and I will keep on saying it, Obamacare is not successful.

I could not careless if one billion additional people were covered, Obamacare is still not successful. You really think a system that puts profit first before wellbeing, is still good?

And there is nothing 'normal' about big massive rises. I don't think so.

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Thanks, Mick. I wonder why Obama didn't go down Trump's route and I genuinely don't know the answer to that question.

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I do, Obama tried to get International back up, he asked us but there just was not enough appetite at the time and our parliament voted military action down, remember Daves response, 'I get that and the government will act accordingly.'

It was at a time when people were still reeling about the illegal Iraq war. I don't think Obama wanted to be seen to go to war with Assad and or provoke the Russians alone. In all honesty I just don't think he had the balls because you can't draw a line and then not act when it is crossed and I really don't think he did not act because he was more concerned with what billionaire citizen Trump was saying on Twitter at the time.

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You know Mick if you actually ever bothered reading a post properly you would have a bit more respect in this forum.I have not said if i approve or not with Trumps actions SO STOP JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.Trump repeatedly Twitted that Obama should not get involved in Syria after the last gas attack ,He didn't think it right that America got involved after the last gas attack so what has changed ?

I wouldn't trust trump to do what was right ,i only trust him to what is right for him

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So after the last gas attack why was he so adamant that the USA shouldn't get involved ?

For the record he should have changed his mind i have no problem with that it's his motives i don't trust

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Yes they are i agree so why was Trump so adamant that the USA shouldn't get involved after the last gas attack?

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Well that says everything we need to know about you and your disgusting attitude to other people REPREHENSIBLE

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If was at all possible Trump has managed to make matters worse in Syria .He needs to take a backseat he is not experienced enough to deal with the situation


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7671631.html

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I am not here to win friends thanks, I have my own. This is a discussion forum, not a playground. However, for the record. I did read your post properly.

When you come out with crap in your earlier post today, that he used the gas attack on kids to make himself popular, one can only conclude you're being super negative as always and certainly not approving.

Either way, is it not blindingly obvious what's changed since Citizen Trump > President of the United States Trump ?

When he made those comments on twitter in 2013, that was citizen Trump speaking, now that he is the President of the U.S, the spot light is now on him, he is wearing the Leaders shoes, so now he is in a responsible position to act and he said it himself, seeing those images of babies choking, was a sure fire thing that he was not going to make the same mistake Obama made by doing nothing, regardless of the fact Trump had tweeted for him to do nothing in 2013, It was now no longer acceptable to just do nothing. I think you're being really naive if you think Obama took any heed of what Citizen Trump was tweeting.

Well more than half the Worlds leaders disagreed with you and I would say their opinions mattered more, over your negative ones.

No it doesn't. Well done, you totally misread and took what you bolded of my quote and took it out of context, this cherry pickitis is very contagious with some folk on here. :rolleyes:

Says the voice of experience. NOT. :dozey:

Again, half the worlds leaders would say it's you who lacks foreign policy experience, they feel the U.S response was necessary and appropriate.

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Well done DT... about time some one took the correct response against Asad.

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*sigh* how about everyone stops bickering.

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IF DT didn't get congress approval for the bombing, then surely he has broken the golden rule.

Yes, what he did was right. BUT, this will provoke an evil war with Russia, China and North Korea.
And DT will want to do it his way.

Even though you are a President, you still have to abide by certain rules.

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Which golden rule are you on about Arthur?

He didn't need congressional approval, Russia was informed and it has nothing to do with China or North Korea.

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If you think the US, China, North Korea and Russia are all going to war, you're insane. That comment is up there with the most absurd things you consistently come out with. You also appear to have made the assumption that North Korea and China are somewhat strong allies still, they're not. If North Korea ends up in War, it'll be against China long before the US and that's just for tactical reasons.

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Thats true, China might standby NK but if it came to war I don't think China would risk it with America over NK if anything it might make US and China ties some what weaker.

As for Russia and America the only war I see is Russia stepping up the cat and mouse game it's been doing for sometime, taking planes into or as close as the borders to whatever countries it wants to torment maybe enough to **** Trump off that he will make the first move against Russia

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I thought Trump was suposed to be in Russia's pocket?

Perhaps I misunderstood the theme running through this thread?

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Arthur, if you read this post look up War Powers Resolution Act. A sitting President does not need congressional approval unless he wanted to undertake a longer term solution.

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China will prop up and support North Korea as long as their useful but they'll drop them as soon as they become more trouble than they're worth just like they did with pol pot in Cambodia when they let the Vietnamese topple him

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Only if you believe the BBC and CNN etc. agenda.

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I wonder whether there is an element of trying to deflect attention from the ongoing investigation of Trump & Co's Russian links during the election campaign.

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any one got any spare tin foil

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I kind thought the same too...it might actually be a misconception. I guess we will have to wait and see.

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Russia clearly thought before the election that Clinton would intervene in Syria and Trump would not. Remember that was one of the bigger differences between them on the campaign trial with Trump and his supporters arguing against antagonizing Russia. Maybe they calculated wrong or maybe this was a one-off.

Russia are certainly completely overreacting to a missile strike on a military base. They're talking about responding with force next time America does this! Literally threatening a war with the United States.

I think Jonhson might be onto something with increasing sanctions against Russia: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...utin-7kcpstplc

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Putin's starting to sound like the EU's Brexit negotiating team... :D

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Was being the operative word.
Trump is now taking a more conventional approach to that relationship now he's looking at the evidence placed in front of him by US intelligence as oppose to the narrative served up by Fox News and Breitbart.

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I guess a free trade deal with Russia is now out of the question!

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do you know any one with a Russian car/tv/phone i must admit i own a Russian stove but i can't think of anything else Russian i would buy due to total lack of quality .

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Vodka? :)

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Yes, a while ago my nephew bought a Yotaphone: Android smartphone on the front and an e-reader on the back. Cool idea and it's actually a decent phone.

One thing Russia is trying to do is get it's aviation industry to kick-on, primarily to reduce their reliance on Airbus and Boeing to service their domestic airlines.

They're now exporting some Sukhoi Superjets (similar to the A31xx/A32xx family) but that's more of a testing-the-waters exercise than anything. Their aviation industry is in such a state that it'll be decades before they can produce enough aircraft to even come close to being a viable competitor to the big boys.

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Why would Smurf's need tin foil? Doing some baking?

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i want to make a hat so i can join in the debate :)

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I guess being Belgian, you are good at waffling ;)

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According to this site, it's more raw materials than manufactured goods.
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/rus/

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and chipping in


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jzvh5Wb00

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The ones that didn't quite make the list:

- Dirty Money (much of it in British banks)

- Organised crime

- "Only in Russia" videos on Youtube

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Nice :)

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Maybe they're just playing games: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39553250

More interesting is that RT is the one linking it to the election:

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Spicer being an idiot again: http://news.sky.com/story/calls-for-...apons-10834077

I mean of all the comparisons to use? He probably meant Hitler didn't deploy chemical weapons in the battlefield, i.e openly, but still. Stupid comparison given the history. Did no one think on it for a moment? Has he employed Ken Livingstone as a researcher?

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It just came up on my Facebook page. Absolutely gobsmacked by his comments. That's an appalling comment to make.
Livingstone has lost it and Corbyn needs to kick him into the long grass. As does Trump with Spicer.

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It's just stupid really. There isn't any suggestion he was trying to be offence or play down what Hitler did but it does seem he and his staff aren't especially sharp. You would think they would pick up the implications of the statement. He response as he attempted to clear it up wasn't brilliant either by saying Hitler did not target this ‘own people’ was equally dumb.

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Just a bit amateurish. Any intelligent person can see what he meant. Hitler didn't use it in the theatre of war. He didn't drop gas during the blitz or as far as I know at any other time.

Yes he/ nazis did far worse things not only in death camps, but also,in French villages all over.

Just amateurish, that's all.

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Exactly.


He acknowledged and clarified it later in the same press conference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-oCjNGPlQs (27 minutes in)


I wonder how many people trying to make political mischief over this had seen the full press conference? I had watched it earlier this evening, knew he'd fluffed it a bit but knew exactly what he meant.

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I take it you had watched the whole press conference, not just the Facebook information before letting forth your righteous indignation?

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Oh good grief is no one allowed to make a mistake in your world. :rolleyes:

Corbyn needs to be kicked in the long grass along with his ex-lover Diane Abbott. Worst Labour opposition benches I have seen in years.

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Amateurish and ill informed, hitler didn't use gas out of any respect for the art of war but because the speed of his advance and retreat would've meant he gassed his own soldiers (and their horses!), not even he was that mad and he had piles of it stockpiled iirc, this was a poor effort imo to try and make out assad was worse than hitler and wasn't necessary, they're both evil mass murderers, why try and grade them.

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Trump is getting wise to the fact that some of his alt-right mates just can't cut the butter. We saw that recently with his approach to Stephen Bannon. When a PR person becomes the story and not the story they're trying to put across then they've failed. Spicer's appalling judgment makes United Continental look a class act. I can see Trump sidelining him.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39575680
Yet another fail from the Fail....

$3miilion should buy Melania a new pair of shoes, nice ;)

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Yes, I remember that bit in the press conference, when Spicer started physically beating up one of the press guys. Shocking, absolutely shocking!


Andrew, he messed up his wording, that's all. He corrected and acknowledged it later in the same press conference, and apologised later.


You do realise that the only man who never made a mistake, is the man who never did anything, don't you?

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He didn't just mess up the wording. The very compassion was poor and that's what he apologised later for.

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That's not all, its true you do learn something new everyday as it turns out he was factually incorrect to, hitler did use chemical weapons on the battlefield at the seige of Sevastopol, Odessa and Adzhimushkay quarry and the allies hands weren't clean either

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid_on_Bari

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I'm glad I'm on a forum with so many perfect people, who always get facts right and never mess up.


You guy's truly are unique.


Strange that I managed to get the point that he was making, even though it was clumsily made. As the Americans say, 'Go figure!'.

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your honor mr iltah isn't here to defend himself - move to strike testimony :)

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I've made dozens of mistakes on here, thing is even on something as mundane as a forum I've never claimed something to be a fact when I wasn't sure of it and i got the point he was making, turns out though not only was it crass and insensitive it was also wrong, call me a mad old fool but I prefer it when people in authority don't make childish errors like that and on balance it sums the guy up, out of his depth, he's not waving he's drowning.

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Yes it is very typical that the Democrats are insisting on Sean Spicer's sacking. But not once did I hear them saying Hillary Clinton should withdraw from the election race when it came out she received the questions prior to a TV debate between her and Bernie Sanders. Now it serves them right, propping up the wrong candidate and they are still losing as Republican, Ron Estes, won congress seat for State of Kansas last night. Trump territory, so safe Republican seat.

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No, it's the point people are objecting too. We get the point.

It's isn't justified to make the comparison that Hitler didn't use chemical weapons in the field as if that's any sort of difference from what he did use it for. (Also factually untrue but that isn't so widely known).

Now he has apologized for that and so whatever it's your continued defense of the point he was making in the briefing even after he himself has retracted it that's continuing this.

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That was the one that had a 24 point swing from the Republicans to the Democrats right? The Democrats will be happy with that. They're not going to win every seat in the country even in a landslide but if safe Republican seats are seeing 24 point swings they'll be optimistic (A similar swing in the midterms will see then win the house in a landslide).

http://www.kansascity.com/news/polit...144061274.html

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Agreed. To continue to defend Spencer's words when he himself has taken them back is something I'm unable to fathom.

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You really are missing the point. He messed up. He apologised. Was it an intentional slur on the Jewish people? No way. Time to forgive the guy for messing up and move on.

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I think you've failed to recall my initial point - I feel Spencer's poor judgment will mean that Trump will sideline him. We're not talking a typo in a press release but the extraordinarily poor judgment of attempting to benchmark Assad to Hitler.
Spencer further compounded the misjudgment by a multitude of inaccurate statements:
- he said Hitler never gassed people
- he called concentration camps "holocaust centres"
- he tried to differentiate between Hitler's "own people" and victims of the holocaust.
I'm sure people will forgive him but Spencer's going to have to be super good for Trump not to sideline him.

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I really hope he doesn't. And I have great concern for anyone who works for you and makes a mistake.


'poor judgment': He got himself tied up in knots and fumbled over words. It happens to all of us from time to time.

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Comparing someone to Hitler is not fumbling over words, it's a deliberate strategy. It's not my call but Trump is starting to sideline and remove those in his team whom he perceives not to be delivering.