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watch the video too. It will give you an idea of the psychology on the subject.

Say just do not do it is exactly the same as telling an alcoholic not to drink or a gambling addict not to gamble. The video explains all this before anyone decides to dismiss me out of hand

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Well I watched it and all I heard was Millennials crave validation. Doesn’t apply to me as I’m not a Millennial. It’s doesn’t “explain” anything, it just offers a particular perspective and one that sounds pretty weak to me in all honesty.

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It explains the psychology of addiction.

By your picture one would assume you are a body builder so surely you understand about endorphins? I fine it crazy that someone who must know how good they make you feel after a work out cannot see and understand the role hormones play on the mind.

It is mainly the young "The Millennials" that are falling the most foul of trolling on social media

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Well I’m not addicted to bodybuilding so I’m not sure it’s the same thing.

But if I was I wouldn’t expect anyone to change or rethink their behaviour towards me. The gym is my sanctuary and is what I used to drag myself out of depression (not looking for or requiring sympathy, just giving context).

It may not work for everyone but it worked for me. If someone wants to think I’m stupid for spending as much time in the gym as I do or for the dedication I put in to what I eat as a result then I’m not even slightly bothered. It works for me and in this instance that’s all that counts.

Still not sure I can see your point.

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So imagine for a minute if suddenly a group of bigger meat heads join your gym and start trying to intimidate you and consistently cause you grief. You try to deal with it but get nowhere and management just say "just stop coming" how would you feel about that?

When was the last time you took an extended break from training?

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If these people are the ones who put their entire lives on social media and “interact” with followers etc then they have to understand that not everyone will like them. I’m not saying abuse is always justified but if you put yourself out there then you have to expect some negativity.

Accusing the negative people of being “jealous” has always made me laugh. Yep it could be jealousy but then again it could be that the poster is just a bit of a *4 letter swear word* occasionally.

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Hard to answer a hypothetical question as I can’t see that happening - my gym is big enough that when I go at 6am I rarely have any other human interaction and that’s just the way I like it.

In all the years I’ve been going to gyms I’ve never seen or heard of any such scenario so it’s an impossible question. From my limited interact with humans at the gym I’ve always found people to be supportive and encouraging.

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For someone who has suffered from depression you appear to have very little understanding around mental problems

Try empathy Russ you have suffered, I have suffered and still suffer from depression. I have empathy for others and I have a understanding of not only psychology but also physiology

How do you know you are not addicted to training?

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Depends on what you call extended. The last time was earlier this year when gyms were closed for 2/3 months.

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Really? You think depression is a one-size-fits-all condition?

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Did you still train at home?

Of course not but it has certainly given me empathy and understanding of causes of depression in others.

The whole point of the young/technology/social media with psychology and depression appears to have gone right over your head

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Yep.

Well good for you but just because one person has been through depression does not automatically make them qualified to comment on the causes of others.

And why wouldn’t it go over my head? It’s not an area of depression I’m familiar with, I found my own ways to deal with it plus I’m not a Millennial.

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Then I ask you again. How do you know you are not addicted? did having to train at home have a psychological effect on you?

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Just because someone suffers from something it doesn't mean they have to agree or have the same viewpoint, empathy or care for that matter with someone suffering the very same problem. I find it really odd they you'd expect that.

Social media is based around narcissists, you've only got to say something they don't expect or just disagree with them and they can't handle it. Maybe from their viewpoint they see that as being abused.

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Nope, there was no video in your post when I started replying to it.
Having checked, its over 15 minutes, I dont have time for that atm.

Perhaps they are also the biggest users of it.
Also, Millennials is basically people born between 1981 and 1996 so most of them now are not so young now.

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Maybe ascertain the reason why I continued at home first before jumping to conclusions?

The reason I carried on at home is at my age it’s very easy to lose gains, shape, muscle tone and replace it with fat. It’s then even harder to lose that fat and try to build muscle again. After 2 months of inactivity I’m pretty certain I’d lose the vast majority of my gains for the past 5 years.

Did it have a psychological effect, no. Unless you class my not wanting to go out and buy loads of new and more slack clothes to fit me a “psychological effect”.

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It includes those born into the 2000s anyway Gen Z can be included with exactly the same reasoning

Basically using social media and getting likes and affirmation releases Dopamine into the brain. This is the same pleasure chemical that triggers addiction to alcohol and gambling and the like. Millennials have grown up with the technology and for a lot it has become a way of life and a very true addiction. When it all turns negative the addiction still exists and it becomes a real problem where it can lead to depression and so on. Sometimes leading to suicide. The very fact that is causes an addiction shows just saying "do not use it" will not work

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With you continually training you have not gone cold turkey on the chemicals released by your brain so you could well be addicted to them

I was a sports therapist and Martial Artist in another life so know all about training and maintenance and addiction

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Would you mind if I suggest that I know my body better than you?

I had a tooth extraction earlier this year. The dentist advised me to avoid the gym for 2 weeks.

I’m pretty sure a gym addiction would have meant I’d have been crawling up the walls during those 2 weeks. I didn’t, I just got with stuff and returned when the swelling went down.

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I asked if you were addicted I never said you were addicted. It is only now you have answered the question and you have added reasoning behind it. Thank you for the answer

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I never said everyone has to agree with me or have the same viewpoint but I am seeing what I perceive as a lack of understanding on the subject and I am surprised someone who suffered/suffers from depression has that little understanding to my perception

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You asked and I said I wasn’t but you kept on, giving the impression you weren’t satisfied with my response. I don’t need to justify/explain what I don’t have.

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I’m surprised that you claim to have any real understanding of it for others given how unique and individual each case of depression is.

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I was not satisfied with your response because most addicts deny their addiction. You then followed up with more information which did satisfy me. You were free to not answer and I was free to be not satisfied

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Well I have an education in psychology and physiology so I know to a degree how the brain works and I know the effect chemicals and hormones have on the brain

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As do most people who don’t have an addiction.

Im sure in an earlier post you said you prefer to see the positive in people. And I thought I was the cynical one.

You may have some idea of how the brain works, that doesn’t mean you have any advanced understanding or knowledge of how depression affects each individual sufferer.

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I never said I did but I have empathy and understanding of what it is like to be depressed. And I obviously understand the whole issue around social media and mental health than most here as it seems there is a lot of a denial it even exists.

Even if you were addicted to training I would not have thought it was a bad addiction I was simply trying to get my point across about the chemicals and hormones

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Formal or informal?

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So we’re agreed that a someone previously suffering depression does not automatically make them any kind of authority on how it affects other sufferers? Good, glad we got there eventually.

I don’t care whether you think anything I do is good or bad. You put forward a suggestion, I put you right on it, you refused to accept it.

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Formal in both all as part of my sports therapy diploma I took in the 90s

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irrelevant to my argument

Why the hostility dude ?

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Maybe I was feeling targeted and bullied by your persistence that I must be addicted to the gym?

Swings and roundabouts.

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Is that like when you refuse to accept someone else’s answer and continue to try to push your interpretation on them, even after they’ve explained their position and asked you leave it?

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Because nothing helps a person with mental health issues, present or past, like badgering them about it…

(btw, to avoid confusion, I’m agreeing with you).

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Who was I badgering with a mental illness. Russ says he was controlling his depression and I asked a couple of times about addiction to highlight a point about chemicals

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I thought it was a right said Fred poster.

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The thread title didn't actually reflect the content of the linked article. There was no mention of "getting tough". It was about the launch of the Met's Online Hate Crime Hub.

Has the OHCH done it's job? You judge:
https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/met...ate-crime-hub/

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It could be argued that I’ve been a victim of online trolling tonight by said “badgering” and targeting.

The absolute irony of who by.

It doesn’t bother me though. But it’s a classic example of how this whole subject is doomed to failure. I said it before, none of the links in this thread has showed the ideas, changes etc have had any real effect.

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If I in any way made you feel like that then I whole heartedly apologise for it

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Hey look, those goal posts just got up and moved ......... ;)

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Exactly the whole point. Its [mostly] just a matter of someones opinion.

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In fact the who term "troll" has been hijacked by the media.

A troll was never (originally) someone handing out online 'abuse'.

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Apology not asked for or required. I was just pointing out the irony and hypocrisy.

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The problem is that today we have people who believe they have the right to go anywhere on the internet and never have a bad experience and now want that guaranteed by law which is ridiculous. If an individual keeps returning to a website where they have a negative response then they are making a choice to expose themself to that negative experience and it shouldn't be on the website to change to accommodate that individual.

It's down to common sense and personal responsibility, now if a person is followed wherever they go and individually targeted then that's different and the law already provided the means to deal with it. Right now we are seeing a huge expansion of censorship online and offline and often those demanding it say they support free speech while doing everything they can to close it down we are getting closer to Orwell's 1984 not further away

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Another suicide, this time a paramedic:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59741839.amp

Nobody knows what someone is going through in private and the effects that their actions can cause.

To question my disability because I have been successful in posting coherently is totally out of order. The two that are doing it have no idea what accessibility aids I use, how many people facilitate my attempts to lead a normal life or the number of times that I have had to edit or abandon posts.

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People do have the right not to be abused, harassed, discriminated against etc online and this is what these new laws aim to achieve.

The consultation has now closed, but you as an individual had the right to put your view forward.

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Yet you feel perfectly entitled to incorrectly comment and assume about the disability of others.

You won’t see it but the rest of us can see the irony of that post going in to orbit.

Just wow.

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No, its not.

You article link is broken, it should be https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59741839

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No one (to the best of my knowledge) questions your disability - we question your repeated attempts to conflate disagreement with what you post with your disability…

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If people are being harassed, abused or mistreated online there are already criminal law remedies for it and have been for quite sometime. Life isn't guaranteed to be totally safe or free from idiots but you cannot expect everything to have a law apart from the stupidity of that the more complex the law becomes the more often then not it fails in it's intended aims. I have a disability but just because I do I don't expect the world to adapt to me I've had to adapt to it personally and professionally and that's how it should be.

True free speech is speech without control meaning we may hear thing's that upset, offend or disturb us and again we need to use those experiences to strengthen ourselves and to learn to oppose ignorance and hate. You don't get rid of ignorance and hate by law you drive it underground concentrating it in echo chambers's without opposition or differing views further cementing it. You cannot say you support free speech and then call for and support it's restriction you have to take the bad with the good and laws rarely apply context.

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No, I comment upon the effects of various conditions that I know something about.

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Yes it is. Would someone go up to a wheelchair user and question their disability because they saw them walking the previous day? I think not.

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Both Pierre and Russ have questioned the effects of my disability because of the way that I post.

In general, when I do get things wrong, instead of explaining things in a right manner and trying to help me, I am met with snide, rude and discriminatory remarks by various people. These are often deliberately crafted to publically humiliate or embarrass me as a disabled person.

If someone here developed dementia (about 50% will), would members be allowed to do the same thing when they forget things, ask the same question shortly after having already asked it etc?

I have no problem with interacting with others with differing views (that's a major part of internet forums), the issue is the issues outlined in paragraph two.

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Yes, there are laws already in place to prevent companies and individuals from making inappropriate comments. I have used them myself and find that the majority change their attitude after a little bit of education, the rest settle out of court and a minority had to be put through the legal process. I am lucky in that I get free legal advice through work, but the majority will not have this privilege.

These new laws aim to make the online experience a much better place for both protected groups (including children) and beyond.

I have changed the attitude of various individuals & companies, received recompense for the effects caused and/or had various payments made to charity on my behalf. I have offered to help pay towards the running costs of this site, gave forum members an opportu nity to help me choose which charities to support and offered food to those struggling because of the Government's benefit cuts.

I don't expect to be thanked, but neither do I expect to be subject to snide, acerbic comments and generally belittled for exercising my legal rights and sharing the proceeds of any recompense.

We will have to agree to disagree regarding your belief that the minority should adapt for the majority. Thankfully, our society agrees with me and we have efforts to adapt to the minority who need things being made accessible in braille, wheelchair accessibility ramps, induction loops etc.

Despite this, disabled people do try to adapt to the majority non disabled world. Sometimes this is because they have no other choice, eg going down stairs on their bottom, or because they want to appear 'normal' as a matter of personal pride because of the negative connotations associated with disability.

Some even attempt to outright reject the notion that they are disabled at all and try to ally themselves with non disabled people, whilst insulting fellow disabled people in a desperate attempt to try and convince themselves that they are not disabled. I often compare this to the black comedians of the seventies who told racist jokes to appease white people.

I do not support the notion of total free speech for, what I hope, are obvious reasons. Heck, you can't even say anything that you want on this (and other) forums!

I don't mean that we shouldn't be allowed to openly disagree with, for example, the Government, but neither should people be allowed to do something like openly mock someone with a facial disfigurement.

A late member on here who was severely sight impaired claimed that he had received a PM saying that he should have been drowned at birth. These attitudes don't come from nowhere, they occur by stealth and this is why inappropriate behaviour needs nipping in the bud before it deteriorates to this level.

We have the right to free speech within defined reasonable parameters and this worked well for many years, but the internet changed this. The Government tried the route of self regulation, but this failed miserably, hence the need for new statutory legislation.

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Nope, it isnt, its time you realised that.
You clearly fail [completely] to grasp the difference between meeting people in real life, and the internet.

On the internet (in a forum, for example) anyone can say they are male, female, black, white, disabled, or whatever they want.
Everyone else has zero proof that its actually true. So yes, they have every right to question it, especially when peoples actions do not match what they state.

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No, you comment on conditions you think you know about, you proven wrong then you disappear off the forum for a week or two.

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Nail on head :clap:

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I have not wanted to enter this thread until today as I find that so much of what has been written by the OP is an attempt to try to prove he is the only person with the ability and insight to support those with unseen disabilities and that we, the members of this forum, need some sort of education in order to realise disabled people exist and that they, at times, need help and yes, at times, legal protection.

I accept he has problems but his confrontational approach to any one of you on here who disagrees with his fanatical need to fight every disabled persons perceived battle in such an aggressive manner does those of us on here with disabilities no favours.
' Well said Paul. This virtual community has always supported it's members even though few us of know each other in real life. I could pass virtually everyone in the street and never know.

We have had several very disabled members who managed to put their disabilities aside and I can only speak for myself when I say that I learned more from them, including trying to read braille :D and learning how to ignore grumpy posts, about coping with disabilities than I have have learned from the continual 'educational' and confrontational postings of Mr Coulter.

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Now that needed to be said :clap:

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That well and truly hit the nail on the head. There is a time for everything and i am one of those posters who has not been involved in the threads on here about disabilities. I am classed as disabled, i have lost the vision in my left eye due to age-related macular degeneration. In addition 15 years working on tanks in the army left me with damaged upper frequency hearing loss which means i must wear hearing aids for both ears. I don't run around telling people i am disabled, i do not expect people to make allowances for me at work. I prefer to get on with my life in the only way i know and that is day to day.

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Richard you forgot a rather large group of disabled people of which I'm one and know many more who are not defined by our disability and work everyday to overcome the limitations it puts on us. You create more trouble for disabled people then you realise or would accept with your confrontational approach that has you as some champion of disabled people more knowing then others. If a person is stalked, harassed, abused or mistreated on the internet there are already criminal laws to deal with them and the new proposals will not give the safety you think.

This proposed legislation will not I repeat WILL NOT end ignorance and hatred of disabled people it will drive it into groups of like minded people who will constantly reinforce the ignorance and hatred without any chance for them to be challenged or opposed by others it will compound the problem. When you create echo chambers you increase the possibility of escalation to physical violence because no opposing view is seen or heard. You cannot legislate away every problem that comes from personal interaction be it offline or online but you can end up a very lonely and bitter person if you try.

As a disabled person whose suffered from ignorance and hate in the past I do not support this proposal and I made that clear when I was able as did many other disabled people, don't talk as though your our representative because your not.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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:clap:

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Great post. Totally agree with everything you have written. :tu:

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Also got to agree with the recent posts. Disabilities come in all shapes and sizes. I haven't been a recipient of any kind of abuse, mainly because of the company I keep and the limited amount of information I give out. Any abuse of any kind aimed at myself would be just water off a ducks back. And any that I've came across in general I just totally ignore.

I don't think the above posts will get a reply which is a shame so it'll just continue onwards for him. If he spent half of the time looking for funny cat videos than looking for something to offended by he'll be a much happier person.

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I do like a funny cat video, guess what i am about to do to cheer myself up for the day :tu:

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I'm partial to puppy video's myself ��.

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Just been listening to this programme:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct2kyf

It seems that some sites are having difficulty reconciling the right to free speech with the rights of people to be protected from harmful content.

This looks to me to be due to AI not getting things right. When the new laws come into effect, it's not going to be possible to manually oversee & moderate every post with the millions that are made every day. I think that improving the AI used to do this, with the right of appeal to a properly trained moderator should one disagree would improve this to a great extent.

What seems to have been happening is that posts are being automatically deleted by AI with posters sometimes facing negative sanctions, even when it's been deemed to have simply been viewed as a possible problematic subject.

This programme takes an interesting look at both sides of the argument:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct1nj0

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This has been done to death imo.

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I think this will prove to be unworkable.

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The crux of the matter is who the hell thinks they should make the decision on what i can and cannot see on the internet as a 61 year old adult. Is this the fabled group who are offended on my behalf because i do not seem to be offended by what they think i should be offended about ?

It is getting more like this everyday

BTW it seems i have to make the following statement as "there is swearing in the video". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz4HEEiJuGo

To be honest it makes my point that the offended are running the world

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I love that film :D

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And me i just worry we are heading that way.

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nah, nowhere near it . . . although if you drop a sweetie wrapper in the street it gets you a fine, whereas a professional footballer spitting and snotting on the pitch on live TV pays you at least £100k a week :D

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These new laws aim to protect the vulnerable, including children, from harmful content.

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Isn't that what an 18 category used to do?

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Do you think that children should be excluded from the internet until they are 18? If so, they will often find ways to gain access. What about those over 18 who are vulnerable?

I do hope that this is a success as, if it isn't, I fear that the days of people being able to interact freely could be numbered.

Many people have proved themselves incapable or unwilling to self regulate, either forgetting or relishing the fact that there is a person at the other end of a keyboard. Attempts to make site owners behave more responsibly and protect the vulnerable have failed miserably.

If this fails, for whatever reason, the next step could be to ban anonymous postings or even ban the ability to interact freely without pre moderation of all posts.

It sounds drastic, but we cannot continue with a situation where people are being harassed, insulted, bullied etc, sometimes to the point of suicide.

It's also important to keep in mind that the vast majority won't be impacted by this. They will continue to post in a polite, respectful and friendly manner when interacting with others.

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Should there be different content for adults of course there should and don't start talking about limiting children on the internet as you talk about limiting what you don't like. It's clear you've had a very bad experience in the past Richard that your unable to truly move on from but supporting legislative overreach to in your mind guarantee it won't happen again is not the way to go. If this goes through how will you educate or inform people with negative views on disability if they can't express themselves and in doing so show they need education?.

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So Richard where do you stand on sex education?

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Yes, Richard, but if the laws go too far, the implications are unacceptable. There is a difference between behaviour that is designed to cause hurt, anxiety and suffering, and normal behaviour, which is to challenge the opinions expressed by others.

The 'right to be offended' brigade take exception to referring to non-white people as 'coloured' but are happy for them to be referred to as 'people of colour'. What kind of idiotic nonsense is this?

People who deliberately cause offence to others in a malicious way need to be dealt with, but we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, do we?

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I am afraid that this is probably the likely outcome of this proposed legislation. The law of unintended consequences.

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That would be incredibly stupid, and impossible to do.
Also, what is so special about 18 ? Does something magic happen on the day people turn 18 ?

Um, thats exactly what such rules would achieve, by design they would block 'free interaction'.

Site owners are not responsible for what people post.
If you get hate mail its not the fault of the postman that delivered it.

You have totally lost the plot now.

So this is a small minority issue then, so not really a problem at all, and certainly not in need of ridiculous actions.

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Maybe we need a new forum section for people to post there personal agender threads in :)

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And not answer questions in despite demanding the same courtesy from others

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Be interesting to see who would be the first to open a thread and then complain that he is being sidelined into a cold dank corner where his voice echoes across an empty room.

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Huloooo is there anybody there....:D

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There is a better chance of me winning the lottery than you getting an answer to a question. BTW did i tell you i don't do the lottery anymore

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Just been on the news that the taking and distribution of pictures of breastfeeding without the woman's consent is to be banned.

This is excellent news as it has been an anomaly of the law that people were allowed to get away with this as a form of harassment by posting them on the internet or for the purposes of self gratification.

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Damn, and I've got a whole library of them.............

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Huh! My experience of breastfeeding is that those that do it openly don't give a stuff about being photographed because they want to promote breastfeeding over bottle feeding. Those that don't want to be seen or photographed tend to do it away from prying eyes. A big huge shawl usually does the job.So this is another nonsense. And yes I've done it in public and no one gave a toss.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I think you could consider the bottom of the barrel well and truly scraped. If only you put as much time and effort in to promoting awareness of something like the devastating impact knife crime has on the lives of so many young people, their families and friends.

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Indeed, however that would not get the rise this one does ;)

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Does this mean that people can no longer take photos of my boobs when I'm at the beach?

edit - asking for a friend

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As long as you are not breast feeding anyone, you should be ok.

Also, as far as I understand it, fine if you give permission for the photo.

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One must keep abreast with the times. :D

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Don't milk it!

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Can a twitcher still photograph a pair of blue tits feeding?

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That would obviously be in the winter. :D

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or Dundee in June :D

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I am very thankful we are not living in Richard's world it would be very depressing.

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You can generally take a photo of anyone and anything in a public place as long as it’s not for nefarious purposes. For example you could take a photo of the sea on a nudist beach but if you took photos of the people there you’d either need their permission or have a damn good reason to be doing it (there isn’t one IMO).

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So to avoid depression you advocate taking pictures of breastfeeding women without their permission :confused:

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Richard you make leaps an olympian would be impressed by in no way was I supporting anything nefarious. You won't be happy until there's no interaction because everyone would be so scared to say more then hello\goodbye for fear of running foul of laws. Your clearly someone who feels threatened a lot and given your demeanour you've probably incited a few instances where people have reacted negatively to you. The law is not a solution for every problem and a lot of what you want laws to remedy could be done more easily with developing a thick skin and a realisation that not everywhere is suited for everyone.

In those instances where an individual targets another individual sufficient laws already exist to deal with that.

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That you actually believe the nonsense you just posted is hilarious. :dunce:

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Pretty sure this thread is now turning into one persons personal agender. I am not in anyway a moderator on this forum but this thread is way off it's original starting point.

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It doesn't matter what you or I think now that the consultation period is over, these new measures look set to become law and are currently being looked at by politicians.

Whilst I disagree with much of what you say, I do genuinely thank you for putting your views across in a polite and mature fashion without resorting to snide, sneery and generally rude comments. Some on this forum could learn a lot from you.

---------- Post added at 04:15 ---------- Previous post was at 04:07 ----------

It started by highlighting that the police intended to crack down on Internet trolls. The position today is that the politicians are now considering what to include in the laws to achieve this aim.

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Well I just hope that common sense prevails over idiocy.

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Richard, think you forgot to end the last sentence with "myself included".

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:clap:

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Indeed :gpoint:

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:clap: very well said.

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Spot on Grim.

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Oh nice kick in the ballix sir.