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You're not wrong, I believe that in the next few years maybe something like proportional representation will come, perhaps internet voting too, as it's clear we've reached the end of line with the existing methods.

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The two main parties won't be able to bury their heads in the sand much longer unless as is our national characteristic that the public get distracted by trivial matters like life and what's on TV

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No he does not have a clue ..

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Remember... If you don't vote, you have no right to complain. :rolleyes: :D

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Bit harsh, I've seen many of his posts over the years and his contributions imo have rarely been clueless even if I disagree with them. He made a mistake and unlike some here at least he had the bottle to admit it.

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Rubbish ...

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Obnoxious individual. Claiming that "we" saved Democracy, etc. etc. He is a good example of why this country will be divided for a generation or more.

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remember even old people get a vote ;)

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BREAKING NEWS: Government REJECTS petition calling for second Brexit referendum signed by four million people

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No surprise there..

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Well apparently according to the Leavers the Remainers who DID vote have no right to complain..and should just shut up about it.

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Nobody has a problem with remainers voicing their opinions just the way that many have chosen to do it with insults and insinuations.

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End outpouring of hate against those who voted Leave, says Ross Clarke

THE two most dramatic weeks in modern political history have revealed a number of things about Britain but none more so than that supposedly liberal-minded people can be bigoted and vicious when they feel that their opinions have been scorned.
Throughout the referendum campaign the Remain camp tried to claim the moral high ground. They claimed to stand up for love, peace and tolerance, while trying to depict the Leave campaign as narrow minded and xenophobic.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...t-Leave-voters

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What exactly are the point of these petitions if the Govt. can just totally ignore them ? Have they ever changed anything as a result ? They seems to be just for cosmetic reasons. Glad I only signed it 5 times ;)

Theresa is a Remainer anyway, her true intentions/tactics will come out in the fullness of time. She's playing a long game. Another recession will change the ground rules and referendums will become be less of an issue when the impacts hit peoples pockets.

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sensible [credible] petitions are acted upon [debated].

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Oh yes, a good debate in the Commons with 5 dozing MPs at 2am will change a lot.

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not to worry because that petition went straight in the trash where it belongs feel free to start another ;)

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Good. Now we can get on with getting out of Dodge!

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As regards the result of the vote yes. However now it's over you can come on board and start planning your life for Brexit.

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What's the point of a democratic vote if people want to change it if it doesn't go their way? Here's an Idea. Can we re-run last year's General Election so the 4.5 million of us who voted UKIP can get more MPs?

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They need to rework them, far too often today's idiotic generation seem to be thinking that they can overcome Democracy by signing a (relatively low numbers) petition and as if by magic, the decision is overturned.

I'd make it a million+ votes & no guarantee of anything, it's bloody ridiculous a load of student union types can think they can circumnavigate democratic process by signing an online form.

Bah humbug and words of that ilk.

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As the referendum apparently had Royal Assent rather than just being invoked by the Government in power then the result has to be legally binding. I think Cameron shot himself in the foot there as it also means any legal challenge will fail. Not that I'm unhappy with the result. I voted to come out in 1975 and did so again this year.

I'm like @Big Brian, I knew what would transpire and did not agree with it then nor do I agree with it now. I firmly believe will are better off out of it.

BTW I remember being told here even informal talks cannot take place until A50 was invoked which I did agree with but consider this.

"Yesterday, Trade Secretary Sajid Javid flew to Delhi to start talks towards a trade deal with India. That is something we are forbidden from signing individually as a member of the EU – and yet the EU has failed on its own account to establish a trade deal with India, one of the fastest-growing economies in the world."

Sourcehttp://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...t-Leave-voters

No doubt it will be happening with serveral other Commonwealth countries too.

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Clueless.

As far as the rest goes a quick look into the comments tells a story.

What a charmer.

The irony of a newspaper that as part of its business model stirs up racial hatred publishing something like this is priceless.

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Que?

Royal assent is required for all Acts of Parliament - it's how they become law. The European Union Referendum Act certainly had royal assent, it had to, but this means nothing for whether or not the result is legally binding - it is not.

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So, since the Tories won the last General Election, you can come on board and be happy with a Conservative Government... ;)

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the government is only temporary and a vote can change it . Brexit is forever :) so its good advice to plan your life around it .:)

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Brexit isn't forever in the way Remain wasn't forever. The questions of what a new relationship should be are still there, it's wasn't an landslide win for Brexit, so many will now focus on how we can keep a strong link to the EU.

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No Parliament may bind its successors.

If you prefer, once enough of you 'older folk' have shuffled off the mortal coil, us younger folk can most certainly elect politicians who will pursue membership of the European Union on our behalf.

Won't be with terms anywhere near as good as the ones we had of course, but many may well consider it a price worth paying.

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Right now, Damien, the 'smart' money is on our being outside the EEA altogether.

Tariff free trade in goods, but not in at least some services.

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it probably won't exist by then ,and any way you will be a member of the old folks club and no doubt think differently .
Don't hold your breath re the shuffling off the mortal coil you could have a long wait .
Its sad that you think democracy only works if old people are dead

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In what way is it not legally binding? True Parliament didn't have to act on it but they are. Whomever is Prime Minister has said so. The vote was a legal vote so the result stands whether or not Parliament act on it.

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I have no choice as it was the will of the people which is what democracy is, therefore I have to and do accept it.

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The fact that Parliament are likely to act on the vote does not mean the result of the vote is legally binding. They can just as easily ignore it. From what I read, unless specified otherwise in the act where they are defined, Referendums are purely advisory in our country.

OK, so it is likely that we will leave the EU, but bear in mind that any Prime Minister would need to get MPs to agree to a lot of different things including invoking Article 50. In a house where even though the government has a good majority, it's believed most MPs voted to remain. OK, so they will (hopefully) be looking at what their constituents want, but nationally, this was not a landslide, so they may not be convinced.

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Quite agree

The prime minister has royal prerogative to invoke A50 so in that respect doesn't need the permission of parliament ,but the Government ,headed by the PM has no legal right to change UK laws ,only parliament can enact law or repeal law .Invoking A50 will have the obvious intention of stripping away all our legal rights as EU citizens ,only Parliament can do this and as you say the result was very close and a lot of mp's where remainers ,whether they will risk the wrath of the majority and go against the result of a referendum remains to be seen .....but they could

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That's right, its quite strange how as people get older/wiser/more experienced, their viewpoint shifts from idealistic lefty leanings, to something more right thinking.

I don't know why, it just happens, and no doubt it will continue to happen, even for youngsters like ignition.

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Or different stages in people's lives mean their interests change. For example I don't see how experience decides the best thing for the economy is to increase pensions whilst increasing tuition fees. I suspect that's more self-interest rather than wisdom. Whereas young people are more likely support sharing out wealth since they haven't earned yet.

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I know it is.

I take it you're not that keen on him then. :D

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Actually I'm surprised it didn't warrant a debate at least, biggest online petition or one of them I'd imagine and it doesn't even get a mention in the house.


Insults, insinuation and facts don't forget facts, according to leaves leader leavers aren't keen on them and prefer a donald trump style type of campaign, it's hilarious.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7111001.html

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Many of us weren't interested in the campaigns of either side our decision was made long before the referendum and that applies to as many remain as leave. After I caught first sight of the campaigns it was pretty clear how it was going to progress and apart from the numerous occasions where channel hopping landed me in on either campaign I had no interest. My reasons and the reasons of most I know are still completely intact and are still just as valid, I have to confess I have no idea what generation snowflake is though I'm seeing mention of it more and more.

We are supposed to be a democracy and that can't just apply as long as it's only when 75% or greater agree on something this was, is and will be a contentious issue but we have got to stop tearing each other apart over it.

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this will explain
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/g...us-cry-babies/

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I thought they where called that because they have a penchant for snorting coke :dunce::shrug:

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But you feel able to complain about the outcome without being called a loser and a whinger... ;)

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Technically drug use amongst the young has been declining. ;)

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Thats the problem with todays youth they want it all for nothing...How can they vote for something when they don't even understand what they want themselves.

Unless of course they are following the latest FAD. I don't think half of them were bothered about anything political related and those that were only moaned how it might affect their mobile tariff or latest make up etc

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Why does it say that there are 76 pages, yet I cant get past 70 pages.
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Same here. Not seen a similar problem on other threads so far. Times of posts tie in with there only being 70 pages.

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What age is it that you work all this out then? Does someone come up to you at 35 and give you all the answers to everything. It seems what you said could apply to anyone regardless of age.

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It's actually becoming an epidemic.
they want to change the law for drug driving because the courts can't cope with people opting to go to court to argue that they smoke weed for recreational and medical reasons. so as to avoid a ban and all that goes with it.

everywhere you go you smell weed on the roads. the driver in front is possibly stoned and he's driving like a TWiT.
The one behind you is driving like a TWit too. and he has kids in the car and according to him he's flying not driving.

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Plenty of people of all ages seem to have no idea what they voted for. A big spike in Google searches asking what the EU is is a hint there.

Today's youth don't all want everything for nothing, they probably just want the same shot that our generation and, to an even greater extent, the one before ours had.

I'd speculate that there's always been a 'Generation Snowflake', just prior to the Internet those of us with no interest in associating with such people simply didn't hear what they have to say.

I'm pretty sure what you're saying above was a charge levied against us when we were younger, and indeed our parents in turn.

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It's sad that you seem to equate democracy with mob rule.

No-one of any gravitas thinks the UK won't invoke Article 50 now, however the views of all people as to our future relationship with the European Union should be heard, not just those who voted to leave, as it's something that impacts all of us.

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Because if it were legally binding Parliament wouldn't have any choice but to act on it. :rolleyes:

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At the age of 38, married, kid, mortgage, I'm not sure I can be described as a 'youngster', but thank you I guess :)

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To be fair the 'young' should be out on the streets protesting over a bunch of things, not just the EU.

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I can't see what the issue is here. Even "us" leavers will agree we have no problem with a future relationship with the EU. We will trade with them, be their friend and ally. Just not at the expense of free movement of people for purposes of economic migration.

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The issue is that if we don't accept free movement we don't get free trade in goods and services.

Obviously those who voted to remain by default have no issue with free movement.

In surveys done since the voted the majority of people were fine with an EEA/EFTA relationship with the EU - this involves free movement, however it restores sovereignty to Parliament, which was according to the data the number 1 reason people voted to leave.

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Who says so? No trade deal has been discussed as yet. Free movement is not a done deal to be able to trade with Europe otherwise Europe would only be able to trade within it's borders and a couple of countries on the periphery who's political elite wanted to join the EU.

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I specifically said 'free trade in goods and services'. Various member state leaders say so. All of whom must approve any deal.

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We need to hold fast, see who blinks first, this is uncharted territory for the EU.

That might be the case today, how about tomorrow, next week, a year?
I wouldn't think the EU want long term uncertainty either, it might well lead to more members exiting the wonderful club.

If the EU is like a house of cards and is stacked so precariously that if a couple of members leave, and it comes crashing down, was it really that stable to begin with?

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And if it were a case of deal or no deal who do you think would win?

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On what planet is this? In my experience over the past 5 years even that is not the case. Everywhere you go up here someone is high or smoking cannabis

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And there is the crux of the matter. Indeed we will continue to be friends and trade and I have no problem with that. The FoM problem is the main issue. I've a feeling if Theresa gets in she'll accept that. If she does, why did we have the referendum? We'll end up worse off still bound by the same conditions as when we were full members.

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And remember we have the upper hand here. If they want their 60% or whatever we traded then they are going to have to give something back. We don't import half as much from the EU as they do from us so this gives us the advantage. If Germany still want to trade cars they will have to think carefully about FoM.

An idea would be to suspend FoM until we got on our feet then have it by all means but we determine how many can come in. Then we put a 4 year brake on it and if we need more after that we let more in. Just an idea. Any thought anyone?

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No one gives you the answers, you learn from experience.

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Today's youth don't all want everything for nothing, they probably just want the same shot that our generation and, to an even greater extent, the one before ours had.

Indeed and in time they will realise what a big favour we did them by leaving the EU. On the News the other day it was said that the day after we left they loosened control on all their borders and let out plans for an European Army and that it was the beginning of a Super State.


We have saved the young from becoming part of a Big Brother Super State. What does it matter if a phone call costs a bit more? You were prepared to pay it before roaming came in. What does it matter if a holiday costs more? They would have increased the prices anyway.

Believe you me, we have saved your bacon and 43 years of experience gives me the right to say that. There's no on line site to bring you evidence it's just experience of the EU.

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Originally Posted by techguyone View Post
That's right, its quite strange how as people get older/wiser/more experienced, their viewpoint shifts from idealistic lefty leanings, to something more right thinking.

I don't know why, it just happens, and no doubt it will continue to happen, even for youngsters like ignition.

It's not strange at all. It's experience. I've been through all the Political phases in my lifetime from Communist to UKIP and now I've settled on the latter.

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No point in negotiations then is there? That's us told!

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We need to get past the need for free trade and services ,if it's possible to get free trade and still restrict movement then fine but we certainly do not need or want to get one at the expense of the other .We need to be far less reliant on the financial service sector ,it's a case of all our eggs in one basket anyway so dump some financial services to france and start building up some manufacturing

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Seems to me that there is a definite lack of free thinking here .There is too much obsession with free trade ,financial services ,freedom of movement ,it's almost as if people think the UK is incapable of functioning outside the EU and for some totally baffling reason ,according to some ,we have to have at all costs free trade ,it's quite baffling.

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You have your statistics confused - whilst we import 54% of our goods and services from the EU, that is only 16% of their goods and services exports...

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Looks like it was just a glitch while someone had all their posts removed - the page numbering just took a few mins to catch up.

Cheers

Grim

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I'm still seeing a phantom (in my case p 12) showing that I can't get to.

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Me too.

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damn that brexit its ruined the internet ;)

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The EU. Next question please.

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why should trading with the EU be any harder than trading with any other country

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We want to trade financial and other services with them freely. This needs single market membership.

Trading goods is easy. Trading some services isn't especially difficult. Why should we have all the benefits of being in the single market with none of the costs? If we get that why would anyone else want to pool sovereignty within the EU when they can have a UK-style deal?

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The country voted to leave the EU and in doing so also voted to leave the single market and give up EU citizenship ,i think we should stop grasping at the single market straw

Trading goods is easy. Trading some services isn't especially difficult. Why should we have all the benefits of being in the single market with none of the costs? If we get that why would anyone else want to pool sovereignty within the EU when they can have a UK-style deal?


They wouldn't and the EU are using the ultimate sweetener of free trade in goods and services ,not to mention the other 'benefits' of the single market to take control of the sovereignty from those countries and make sure that other countries don't try it .Unless the EU changes and gets rid of freedom of movement and a host of the other 'benefits' of the free market we shouldn't even try to stay in it ,it's just not worth it .Besides given the fragility of all the European economies do we really want to remain so closely tied to them and is the free ,market even working as it's supposed to .

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As far as I'm aware the country voted to leave the EU, which means giving up EU citizenship. There was nothing on the ballot paper about the single market.

According to all the polling I've seen EEA membership would have majority support from the country. Basically all who voted to remain would go along with it, and those who voted leave for sovereignty reasons rather than immigration.

We are closely tied to the EU economically whether we like it or not and short of committing economic suicide disentangling ourselves from it will take decades.

However I think you're spot on that we probably won't be in the EEA. People would rather be poorer, at least in the short and medium term, than have free movement.

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In other news looks like the EU owe us a favour. We seem to have shored up support for it in a number of member states.

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This has potential.

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Wouldn't that have been part of leaving the EU though i would have thought that leaving the single market was implied .

Yes we are and financially speaking the world is a tiny place and we have close financial ties with lots of countries and i don't think decades of being the biggest financial centre in the world is going to come to an end just because we are no longer in the single market after all the institutions set up here for a reason ,they preferred the UK to France or Germany for whatever reason and it wasn't the single market

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This is good from Allister Heath.

Not sure about some of it but most of it is a no-brainer.

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No but the single market is a big attraction. It's now an advantage France and Germany now have over us that they didn't before.

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Maybe those figures are not accurate but this from May is.

Trade is one thing if it works both ways but in the case of UK v EU it was all one-way. That's another reason we had to get out.

Britain’s trade deficit with other European Union countries is running at a record high level ahead of the referendum next month, official figures show.

The latest healthcheck from the Office for National Statistics on goods coming in and going out of the UK reveal that the gap between exports and imports in the first three months of 2016 widened by £0.7bn to £23.9bn.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...erendum-brexit

It was going down anyway so what's the point being in an organisation where not only does it cost billions to be a member but it also cost billions in lost revenue? You wouldn't run your own business at that kind of loss. Believe it, we did you a big favour.

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Me three.

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What's so good about the single market anyway when we are trading at a 24 bn. deficit? Give it up folks accept the result and move on.

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Of course it is. They benefit from it, we do not.

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I'm not convinced that something can't be worked to keep that advantage after all the financial sector is here and staying here is going to be preferable to moving .We just have to make staying here is still attractive post brexit ,maybe an EU-UK free trade agreement because whatever happens we are an important market for Europe

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In this way perhaps

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...ndroid-h3g-gb#

I am a bit cheesed of that they're calling for an independent panel to investigate the costs and benefits of staying or going. I actually suggested that before the vore and still can't believe tptb didn't think of doing this themselves, it's a most criminal negligence imo.

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Why, nigel was quite clear he wouldn't be giving it up if the result had gone the other way.

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I fail to how, or why.

The other home nations would struggle to survive without money from England.

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We have a trade deficit with the world, not just with the EU...

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statisti...n-EU_Data.aspx

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Indeed but wouldn't trading with the world even out that figure rather than be in deficit?

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Brexit could take up to six years to complete according to a senior cabinet minister..

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...philip-hammond

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They'll try anything to prolong things if they think there's a chance of overturning the vote. It will take as long as they want it to take in that case but really it should only be 2 years or why have that 2 years?

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Saying something as we know is very easy but actually doing things in a certain timeline is another..

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So if it takes four years why have exit process set for two another master stroke of the eu, who are we kidding it isn't going to take two years to know if we're going to get an acceptable deal or not. So we sound things out see where we stand and develop trade with the rest of the world and if it's within the two years we're not supposed to organise trade so what are they going to try and fine us. Worst thing the UK can do with the eu is to overly tenderfoot things are not great in the eu and likely to get worse rather then better they can't afford to be too entrenched anymore then we can.

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The 2 years is for A50 to run it's course which to be honest is probably generous ,it could possibly be done in 1yr quite easily .The trade talks are absolutely nothing to do with the 2 yrs A50 timescale,i would be surprised if we have all our trade deals in place inside of 10 yrs

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I see the Daily Mail is making stuff up again ,really is time that rag got closed down

http://news.sky.com/story/eu-referen...-vote-10499601

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looks like they're not alone
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7128306.html

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-bri...-idUKKCN0ZP0D4

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...nd-referendum/

http://www.politico.eu/article/briti...econd-eu-vote/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0935d4b4adcd8

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-09/g...or-fresh-vote/

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and let that be a lesson to the other rags ,check the facts before copying and pasting articles from the Mail

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What?

We are trading with the world, but with a deficit.

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No, because successive governments have been seemingly encouraging companies to move manufacturing to other (not always european) countries, leaving the finance and other service industries to replace the gap in our GDP. The previous four governments (Blair, Brown, Coalition, Cameron) seem to have spent their time actively encouraging companies to outsource or move those industries that remain.

Note, while they may not have visibly encouraged companies in either instance, they certainly have done nothing to stop it.

Regardless of whether we are in or out of the EU or the EEA, we have some amazing engineers, mathematicians and scientists in this country, yet funding in those areas, at all levels from Education up is, IMO, woefully inadequate. A situation that is likely to get worse before it gets better as a result of us leaving the EU, as the EU currently provides 65% of our research funding, and our government have shown no interest in increasing their own funding.

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Politicians have for years talked about how great the UK is and how much talent there is and that's all it is talk. Our education system has been neglected, retraining of the unemployed has been a money making racket for decades delivering nothing of worth and still the talk and inaction go on. Just a couple of the many reasons why people are running out of patience with politicians and why there is so much resentment in parts of the country.

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No we're not. What about the emerging economies? What about having more trade with the rest of the world like things we can't sell at the moment by starting to manufacture our own stuff like we used to?

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Because it's hard to compete with their production costs.

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The introduction of trade tariffs from a lot of countries could mean that home manufacturing is more viable though.

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For internal use maybe but it will impact us exporting.

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We import many of the intermediate goods we manufacture with and simply don't have the infrastructure to ramp up manufacturing in a decent timescale.

However, there are still a ton of strengths in the economy. There won't be an apocalypse and, if the government do it right, the recession might not be too bad.

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Its alright manufacturing your own stuff but its still going to be very hard to compete with companies in the far east Brian where it’s cheaper to manufacture items and ship them to this country as their labour costs and overheads are far cheaper,

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Somehow l cannot see this government introducing trade tariffs Marty.

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of course they will ,they won't have a choice .We will no longer be in the single market

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But if we introduce trade tariffs how can we have free trade?

And if we introduce trade tariffs, why won't the countries we want to trade with do the same to us?

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I didn't say we could :confused:

They will

Are you responding to the right person Hugh because your posts aren't making much sense

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I don't think we want to go down the road of trade tariffs as I don't think the EU will go down that road with us.

The reason we are in this present mess is coz Cameron thought all we had to do was vote and it was a given so they didn't have contingency plans just incase the vote went against him. Now he's ran away it's time to let others do it. Who's your money on for Brexit Minister? It's difficult but I think I'll go for the Gover. Would like to say Boris but can't see it really.

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Dominic Rabb but maybe it's Gove.

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Well David Davis is the Brexit Secretary. Hardball, methinks.

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Interesting. Wasn't he the other candidate for the Conservative Party leadership when David Cameron was elected?

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Bye Bye Gove. I suspect you won't be missed.

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He who sticks the dagger in someone else's back has to expect that someday somebody else will come back and do exactly the same to them.

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And byb bye Osbourne neither will you!

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Indeed. "Do unto Others as you would have them do unto you!"

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Interesting choice Boris for Foreign Secretary? Thought he'd have been a dead cert for Brexit Minister.

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Theresa has been very clever. Handing the Brexit related jobs to those guys. It goes right, she claims credit for her appointments. It goes wrong, she points out that she delegated to those guys and it's the Brexiteer's fault, not hers.

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Indeed. Interest rates stay at .5 of a% but are expected to drop in August so this can only be a good thing too.

I think we have the best 2 possible Diplomats for negotiating out exit from the EU and I'm glad Boris is involved.

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Except none of it would have been possible if the vote had gone the way of her Remain preference. She can thank Leavers for her promotion but the buck stops with her now.

I hope she does well. It is sensible to keep Mr Gove at arm's length (out of striking distance :)).