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Mr K 14-01-2016 17:38
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We need more migration, of health workers that's for sure.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/healt...-a3150916.html

heero_yuy 14-01-2016 18:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35817343)
We need more migration, of health workers that's for sure.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/healt...-a3150916.html
We should be training our own people up rather than stripping third world countries of their doctors and nurses.

Taf 14-01-2016 19:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35817351)
We should be training our own people up rather than stripping third world countries of their doctors and nurses.
Or training loads here only to see them toddle off to countries with better pay and conditions....

TheDaddy 14-01-2016 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35817351)
We should be training our own people up rather than stripping third world countries of their doctors and nurses.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35817359)
Or training loads here only to see them toddle off to countries with better pay and conditions....
Nails hit on head

deadite66 14-01-2016 20:35
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Young doctors must repay debt to taxpayers before moving abroad

Seems a sensible idea to me.

Arthurgray50@blu 14-01-2016 23:09
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Whats stopping Doctors moving abroad without paying - NOTHING. The government don't even chase up debts incurred by oversea's visitors, who get a treatment, then flee abroad.

So the chances of getting the money back is zero.

There must be thousands of Drs and Nurses that get the full training here, then go abroad where the money is 100 times better.

Migration is a major issue in the country for the NHS. MPs are always saying that without, the migration the NHS would collapse - total nonsense. There are some brilliant NHS staff are British Nationals.

A neighbour of mine recently retired from the NHS, she said its a brilliant job but the pay is lousy. But you have a dedicated staff

The NHS gets abused

Hugh 14-01-2016 23:24
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Arthur, 26% of NHS staff come from overseas.

heero_yuy 15-01-2016 15:41
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Quote:
A POLITICIAN is going through with a threat he made to Germany’s leader last year – by sending a bus full of refugees on a 340 mile journey to her office.

Their trip comes three months after Peter Dreier made an angry phone call to Angela Merkel about the number of refugees Germany was going to take.

He told her he had done the maths and worked out if the country was to accept a million then 1,800 would be sent to his area.

The head of the Landshut district council in Bavaria said if he was sent any more than that she would have to deal with the consequences.
Linky

So Bavaria is full now?

Osem 15-01-2016 18:35
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Full or maybe just had enough...

I suspect they're not the only ones either.

---------- Post added at 17:35 ---------- Previous post was at 15:53 ----------

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The Swiss government has defended its law requiring asylum seekers to hand over assets in excess of $1,000 (£700; €900) following international criticism of similar proposals in Denmark.

Assets were reportedly seized in just over 100 cases in Switzerland last year out of almost 30,000 asylum applications.

The Swiss Refugee Council has criticised the practice as unworthy.

But the government says the policy reflects the will of Swiss voters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35323315

What an unusual concept that is....

Osem 15-01-2016 20:55
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Quote:
A German town has banned male asylum seekers from a public swimming pool after women complained of harassment.

A government official in Bornheim said men from a nearby asylum shelter would be barred until they "got the message" that such behaviour was not acceptable.

It follows outrage over hundreds of sexual assaults in nearby Cologne and other German cities on New Year's Eve.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35326090

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Correspondents say the pool ban is the latest sign of increased tensions following the Cologne attacks.

On Thursday, the authorities in another town in west Germany, Rheinberg, cancelled a carnival parade planned for February over security concerns.

Rheinberg's public security chief, Jonny Strey, told German media that events in Cologne had influenced the decision and that officials were worried about from men from migrant backgrounds misbehaving.

Rheinberg Mayor Frank Tatzel later denied this, according to Reuters.

Cologne authorities expressed concern about the city's own carnival in February following the NYE attacks, promising to step up security and public awareness.

An opinion poll on Friday showed public anxiety increasing over the number of refugees and migrants arriving in Germany.
Resentment will be building up on both sides. Now that's not a recipe for further trouble is it... :rolleyes:

Then there's this happening in the heart of Eurolalaland:

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Two months after the Paris attacks, Belgium is in the midst of an anguished debate about Islamist radicalisation. There's anger in Molenbeek - the Brussels district that was home to three of the attackers - at government plans for house-to-house searches. And a former senior police official has warned that Belgium's failure to integrate its Muslim minority has created a de facto "system of apartheid".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35311422

Ramrod 15-01-2016 23:51
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
15 Year Old Boy Was Stabbed To Death By Arab Migrant Because He Was Protecting Young Girl From Sex Assault

Migrant Teenagers Left Free To Abuse In Austrian School
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‘Unaccompanied minors’ who came to Europe from Syria and Afghanistan embarked on a campaign of sexual abuse and terror after they were put into classes with Austrian children
:(

Taf 16-01-2016 12:19
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Quote:
Belgium's failure to integrate its Muslim minority
It's actually Belgium's muslim minority failing to integrate.

Ignitionnet 16-01-2016 18:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 35817373)
Looks like a pile of fascistic crap to me. So it wouldn't surprise in the slightest if it became policy. Most fascistic crap becomes policy if it has the potential to undermine the public sector.

Perhaps a better approach would be to query why they are leaving and perhaps fix those issues instead, rather than essentially imprisoning people in the country until they pay a ransom.

If we were prevented from taking in other countries' doctors and nurses it would perhaps cause the government to look at why we can't retain our own and how they have made the occupations so unattractive that we don't have enough entering them.

---------- Post added at 17:53 ---------- Previous post was at 17:44 ----------

Two German transgender women claiming 3 North African men attempted to stone them. The men themselves claim that the transgender women and people like them deserve to be stoned. Looks like it's going to be treated as attempted murder.

Ah these wonderful, tolerant attitudes that Mrs Merkel saw fit to import en masse in a ridiculously naive attempt to fix Germany's demographic problems.

Osem 16-01-2016 19:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35817611)
It's actually Belgium's muslim minority failing to integrate.
Yes, it makes you wonder why some folks will happily seek freedom and a better life elsewhere and not only choose to remain largely separate from their host society but in some cases actively seek to destroy it.

Ramrod 16-01-2016 20:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35817656)
Yes, it makes you wonder why some folks will happily seek freedom and a better life elsewhere and not only choose to remain largely separate from their host society but in some cases actively seek to destroy it.
You will find many in the west who will tell them that it's their right to do so. :(

richard s 16-01-2016 21:52
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Integration with muslims will never work.

Osem 16-01-2016 22:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35817666)
You will find many in the west who will tell them that it's their right to do so. :(
And of course there are those liberal do-gooder folks who like to speak and even complain on behalf of various minority groups, irrespective of what the majority of them actually want.

Ramrod 16-01-2016 22:48
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North African Migrants Stone Transsexuals in Dortmund
Quote:
The men attempted sexual advances, but upon realising the victims were transsexuals began attacking them.
Police also mentioned that the suspects are known to them and that they have been arrested several times before for theft and aggravated assault.

Sirius 17-01-2016 06:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35817688)
What a wonderful world we are going to be living in. I hope the EU are happy with what they have started. :rolleyes:

Osem 17-01-2016 11:04
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The world is full of conflict, all too often ancient, between peoples of different faiths, cultures or whatever yet the Eurocrats would apparently have us believe that all that can be overlooked and huge numbers of people from numerous countries can be successfully assimilated into the EU in the relative blink of an eye. It wouldn't be so troublesome if they were all tolerant people willing to adapt to western society but they're clearly not. A very significant proportion, I would argue, want to bring their traditions, cultural/religious practices, rivalries etc. to the EU whilst rejecting many of ours and relying on our way of life to support them.

Even where the numbers are small and the timescale extended it's proved extremely difficult to create the conditions in which people will fully integrate. How much greater the problems when the numbers are vast and entirely ill judged invitations create a sudden deluge which swamps the ability of nations to cope and provide even the most basic of services to those who've risked their lives to accept their welcome? Just how much dangerous resentment is going to build within those who've suffered greatly (even lost family members) on their way to Merkel's Utopia when they find they're not as welcome as they thought and are being played 'migrant ping pong' with as politicians use them to score points? Sooner or later we're all going to reap what's been sown and I'm afraid it won't be pretty.

Osem 20-01-2016 08:45
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Quote:
Norway has sent 13 migrants back to Russia under new rules expected to see thousands deported by bus, reports say.

About 5,500 people are due to be transported from Norway to Russia. Many crossed the Arctic border by bicycle as part of the influx of migrants to Europe in 2015.

Norway announced in November it would immediately deport people who had arrived from a country deemed safe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35355727

No welcome there then...

Meantime back in Eurolalaland, there's a new focus on what to do and according to BBC Radio 4, the big idea now is to scrap the Dublin regulation and allow migrants to claim asylum in any EU country rather than the first they enter. Well I suppose that's what's already been happening effectively so n real change there eh...

heero_yuy 20-01-2016 12:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35818151)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35355727

No welcome there then...

Meantime back in Eurolalaland, there's a new focus on what to do and according to BBC Radio 4, the big idea now is to scrap the Dublin regulation and allow migrants to claim asylum in any EU country rather than the first they enter. Well I suppose that's what's already been happening effectively so n real change there eh...
So when the "rules" don't work they just change them. How very European.:rolleyes:

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A STAGGERING 1,800 migrants a day have arrived in EU entry-point Greece since the New Year — more than one a minute.

The International Organisation of Migration said the figure was 2,100 per cent up on the whole of January last year.

Since January 1, 31,244 migrants and refugees have arrived in Europe.

The revelation came as global economic watchdog the International Monetary Fund warned Europe was struggling to cope with the huge influx.

It said: “The tide of refugees is presenting major challenges to the absorptive capacity of EU labour markets.”
Linky

No <that word> Sherlock.

Ignitionnet 20-01-2016 21:01
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I'm not convinced the EU labour markets will have anything to worry about in the short term.

Ramrod 20-01-2016 21:41
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Asylum Worker Admits: ‘90 Per Cent’ Of Migrants Are ‘Unpleasant’, Liars, And Threaten To Behead People

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A social worker working in an asylum centre in Hamburg has spoken out about the daily realities of her job, which includes death threats, sexual harassment, aggressive behaviour, forged documents, misogyny, verbal abuse and even physical assault. She has admitted to changing her dress and behaviour in order to stay safe from the migrants, 90 percent of whom she describes as “unpleasant”.
“When confirmation of the job arrived in my mailbox, I looked forward to starting like crazy; finally I could not only help in theory, but also really do something practical to help the refugees.

“I went in in high spirits on my first day at the initial reception centre.”

They came to me and demanded that I immediately set them up with an apartment, a fancy car, and a really good job. When I told them this was not possible, they would become loud and very aggressive. An Afghan threatened to kill himself there and then [if I did not help him with these demands].

“One Arab yelled at a colleague of mine ‘We will behead you!’… Because of these and other things the police are with us several times a week.”

The migrants are also duplicitous, she said, often turning up with a number of false documents.
But the biggest problem by far, she says, is the migrants’ attitude towards women, which is so extreme that she has begun to modify her own behaviour in order not to draw unwanted attention.

“They simply do not respect women at all. They don’t take us seriously. If I as a woman tell them something or want to take a statement from them, they hardly listen to me at all, or they simply refuse and demand to speak to a male colleague.”

Instead they give her and her female colleagues “contemptuous glances”, or are sexually provocative: one will whistling and make comments in their native language while the others look on and laugh.

“It is really very unpleasant,” she says. “They even photograph us with their smartphones, just like that, without asking, even if you protest against it.”

Osem 20-01-2016 21:59
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Attitudes seem to be hardening and if the above is anywhere near representative of a significant problem then it won't be long before big trouble ensues. A tinderbox is in the making.

heero_yuy 21-01-2016 11:43
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Forecasts from the IMF, the economic watchdog, said 1.3 million people could flock to the Continent every year between 2015 and 2017.

That revised influx is bigger than the population of Berlin.

The warning came as EU chiefs were blasted for threatening to unleash tens of thousands of migrants on to Britain’s borders in Calais.

And it emerged Britain may be banned from deporting asylum seekers back to Europe, unless we take more refugees flooding into the EU.

Britain could be booted out of the Dublin Convention which allows countries to send asylum seekers back to their “first country of arrival”.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond admitted the Government was “very concerned” about the proposals.

And livid Eurosceptics said it proved Britain was powerless to control its own borders if it remains in the EU.
Linky

Now it really starts. :rolleyes:

Still a gift to the leave campaigners. :)

tweedle 21-01-2016 12:47
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Another way of looking at immigration is.......

Consumerism, if your at the top of the tree, a business leader, ect then a few million more people to come and visit your shops, buy your TV's , buy your cars, rent your houses, pay taxes whilst producing all the above on very low wages then you're not going to be against it, are you?


I mean such people won't really have to live amoungst immigrants/asylum seekers will they? But hey will get rich(er) off them.

Osem 21-01-2016 13:08
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Yes, the well heeled are very effectively insulated from the effects of mass uncontrolled migration whether in terms of where they live/holiday, where their children go to school and even where they choose to have medical care (albeit not emergency cover). Can you imagine the fuss if all the affluent areas in which these people reside were required to accommodate a certain number of properties for refugees, the needy etc? From what I can see, gated housing and even estates have never been more popular and I don't see much evidence that the celebrity/'do-gooder' elite actually practice much of what they preach.

heero_yuy 21-01-2016 14:19
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But now it’s not just me saying it. This week the Government’s own Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) has admitted the truth.

Countless British workers, especially in the public sector, have seen their wages cut as a consequence of cheap, immigrant labour from outside the European Union. Teachers, nurses, doctors and the like.

The new arrivals will work for three-quarters of nowt — and so the wage rates drop. We knew this.

It’s decent of the MAC to confirm it, so many thanks. It confirms the points made in a House of Lords report nearly three years ago.

And it confirms what you probably noticed yourself. It’s nice when the authorities catch up, isn’t it?
Rod Liddle says

Osem 21-01-2016 17:42
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Yes well if they told the truth upfront there'd be riots so they prefer to mislead people into thinking it'll all be ok and brand anyone who dares to voice their concerns. Of course they can't get away with that tactic forever - as we're now all seeing - but by then they've got their way and the result is a fait accompli...

Whether it's large scale gerrymandering/social engineering by the likes of Labour or the Tories looking after the interests of big business and trying to raise GDP, the result for the ordinary man in the street is the same and it's their lives, neighbourhoods, jobs, wages and prospects which suffer.

Ramrod 21-01-2016 23:55
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Full List Of 1,049 Victims, Crimes Committed During Cologne New Year’s Sex Assaults

Osem 22-01-2016 08:34
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... and I expect they all feel culturally enriched... :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 22-01-2016 08:54
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Muslim scholar says rape of non muslim women okay

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...affic.outbrain

Pronouncement also made on chess

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ia-grand-mufti

Osem 22-01-2016 09:12
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French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has warned that Europe's migration crisis is putting the EU at grave risk.

Mr Valls told the BBC Europe could not take all the refugees fleeing what he called terrible wars in Iraq or Syria.

"Otherwise," he said, "our societies will be totally destabilised."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35375303

Well if the protracted dithering and chaos we've seen over the last year or two is how the EU reacts to such 'grave risk' I think that says a lot about how unfit for purpose the EU is when it comes to such basics as border security and managing migration.

Those of us who who've been predicting problems like this for years won't be surprised by words such as this but will the Eurocrats actually come up with a credible plan for dealing with the 'grave' threat before millions more have arrived?...

Meanwhile in Finland they're teaching migrants how to behave:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35353310

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Migrants arriving in Finland are being offered classes on Finnish values and how to behave towards women. Concerned about a rise in the number of sexual assaults in the country, the government wants to make sure that people from very conservative cultures know what to expect in their new home.
I noticed the word 'offering' - wonder how many are taking up the offer and are willing to be 'educated'...

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And that's why these classes are backed by the interior ministry and the police. Last autumn three asylum seekers were convicted of rape in Finland, and at the new year there was a series of sexual assaults and harassments similar to those in Cologne and Stockholm. Victims reported that the perpetrators were of Middle Eastern appearance - something Helsinki's deputy chief of police, Ilkka Koskimaki decided to go public with.

"It's difficult to talk about," he admits as we drive in a patrol car through the icy streets of the city. "But we have to tell the truth. Usually we would not reveal the ethnic background of a suspect, but these incidents, where groups of young foreign men," as he puts it, "surround a girl in a public place and harass her have become a phenomenon."
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...The lesson at Raasepoori reception centre is drawing to a close and the asylum seekers have been given optional homework to help them read up on Finland's sexual equality laws. As we leave the class, an Iraqi man in a colourful bomber jacket shakes my hand.

"It's great in Finland," he says "But when I marry, my wife will be a housekeeper who will cook the food I like - and she certainly won't go to discos."
... and in Germany:

Quote:
"I understand that refugees need somewhere safe to go but Germany can't save the world by itself.

"Hopefully this nightmare will soon be over - for them and for us. Then they'll be able to go back to their own homes. And leave ours for good."

It is a journalistic cliché to quote your taxi driver but East German Alexander in his smart Mercedes summed up perfectly the pervading mood in his country.

So I can't ignore him.

He, like most Germans, according to a recent poll by the public broadcaster ZDF, thinks the country cannot cope with the huge amount of refugees and other migrants who have arrived over the last year...

... "People are coming to Germany with fake IDs or no papers at all, saying they are refugees. We have no idea who they really are. Many Germans feel it's a ticking time bomb.
"The people who came to our shop used to be young men but now we have a lot of female customers and older people too. We normally offer a choice of 15 different types of pepper sprays for example. Now we've sold out and so have our suppliers."

Maybe that's what happens when our glorious leaders and even those we look to for protection are economical with the truth.

This sort of trouble was perfectly predictable given the influx of huge numbers of testosterone filled and desperate young men but it seems admitting that probability was just too much for the great and the good. Anyway it's a confirmed fact now that even they can't deny and maybe that's why they seem to be conspicuous by their absence in this EU wide debate now.

heero_yuy 22-01-2016 15:23
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GERMANY has lost track of more than half of its one million asylum seekers.

Government statistics show German authorities registered 1.1million applications in 2015, but cannot account for 600,000 of the migrants under its EASY system.

Officials say the alarming figures could be down to refugees leaving for another EU country or reregistering if they are unhappy with where they have been sent.
Linky

Utter shambles.

They're on their way here no doubt. :mad:

Osem 22-01-2016 15:33
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Quelle surprise! :rolleyes:

I reckon the German 'Easy' system must have been designed by the same people who did the UK's 'eBorders' programme and look how effective that was... :rolleyes:

Does anyone really need any more evidence that the lunatics are running the Euro asylum? They don't have a clue what's going on or what to do about it and meanwhile countless thousands are heading this way willing to take their chances with a leaky boat and the Med. in order to grab their Euro 'welcome'.

Taf 22-01-2016 17:27
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Thanks for telling them Dave... :dozey:

Quote:
....because of Britain's generous in-work benefits system, a graduate from the Czech Republic could be financially better off stacking shelves in a supermarket in Britain rather than undertaking skilled work in the Czech Republic.
That's what a lot of our own graduates are doing no doubt!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35383014

Osem 22-01-2016 17:36
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So the Czech Republic loses a graduate and we get another overqualified person doing a fairly menial job. Those generous in work benefits have all too often been conveniently 'forgotten about' when we've been subjected to the usual 'tough talk' about what migrants coming here are entitled to.

Osem 22-01-2016 21:26
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It seems Comrade Corbyn's off toe the Jungle tomorrow to do his bit to solve the migration crisis. I can't imagine what the thrust of his argument will be when he returns...

:rolleyes:

Osem 23-01-2016 14:29
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Just been listening to a debate on this on LBC. Thankfully most callers have grasped the enormity of this problem and where it's rapidly heading. Sadly there are still a few well intentioned but misguided people who bang on about the small percentage of the total EU population the current tranche of migrants represents etc. etc. What they refuse to acknowledge is that, unless we act, that small percentage will grow as ever more migrants come and sooner or later we'll have to say no. We could clear Turkey, Lebanon, Syria of migrants yet it wouldn't signal the end of the problem, rather it would send a signal to the countless millions left, all just as desperate and equally willing to take similarly extreme means by which to enter the EU, inspired by those who've already made it thorugh. This is incontrovertible. The only question is at what point do we have to say enough is enough? How much do we allow our way of life to be irreversibly affected before we do something or do we bite the bullet before the worst happens? Like it or not, that decision will have to be made and the measures required to prevent 'forced' migration will have to be severe. Frankly, I'd prefer it if we didn't wait for even more of the world's needy to decide to start heading our way because once on the move they're not going to be easily dealt with.

To those who dispute the need to do anything (the let them all in brigade) despite the huge problems being experienced in numerous EU countries, I'd ask a) at what point they'd feel we'd done enough (1m migrants? 2m? 10m? 50m? 100m?) and b) what would they then suggest we do to prevent the rest of the world's poor turning up on our doorsteps demanding a better life. I won't be holding my breath waiting for any sensible answers, however. I've yet to hear any of these people even accept the basic premise because to do so would expose the fatal flaw in their argument.

I dare say there were those who, in the run up to WWII, refused to believe how serious things were getting because their towns weren't being razed to the ground. Head in the sad mentality. Right now there are millions of migrants either already within the EU or trying to knock the doors down. We in the UK are not at the very sharp end yet but then, the Germans weren't really either until Merkel opened her mouth. They now know what people here should be aware of. If we don't stop this flood of migrants it will become a deluge and there'll be no stopping it.

Ramrod 23-01-2016 15:07
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Oh for crying out loud: link

Quote:
A group of migrant men and women were caught on security camera at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony engaging in unacceptable behaviour, including masturbating into the jacuzzi. In separate incidents other groups of migrants were caught “contaminating” the children’t training pool by “emptying their bowels in the water”, and sexually assaulting other bathers, reports Bild.

papa smurf 23-01-2016 15:31
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meanwhile back home its all good
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnist...eign-city.html

nomadking 23-01-2016 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35818599)
Oh for crying out loud: link
Are we really expected to believe that this sort of behaviour is commonplace in their home countries?

Taf 23-01-2016 19:21
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Quote:
Services from Port of Calais disrupted after 50 migrants got on to ship, mayor says

figgyburn 23-01-2016 20:14
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this is all going to end badly for europe.one of the ex eastern block countries is going to react with a trigger finger then all hell will break loose in europe.thank you mama merkel.you are well on the way to infamy.

Ramrod 23-01-2016 22:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35818602)
Are we really expected to believe that this sort of behaviour is commonplace in their home countries?
I don't see why it matters either way :shrug:

Osem 25-01-2016 17:36
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Self-styled Islamic State has developed a new "special forces" style of combat to target Europe, the director of the EU's police agency Europol says.

More attacks like those in Mumbai in 2008 and Paris last November could be being planned, Rob Wainwright said.

He was speaking as Europol opened its new counter-terror centre in The Hague.

The unit will seek to improve information exchange and identify the links between terrorism and other areas of crime.

The need was highlighted in particular by the Paris attacks on 13 November that killed 130 people. On Sunday, the Islamic State group posted a video apparently showing nine of the suspected gunmen before they carried out those attacks...

...The opening of the centre coincided with Europol's new report on IS.

The Paris attacks and the downing of a Russian airliner over Egypt last October "suggest a shift in IS strategy towards going global", it says.

"IS is preparing more terrorist attacks, including more 'Mumbai-style' attacks, to be executed in member states of the EU, and in France in particular," the report, Changes in modus operandi of Islamic State terrorist attacks, says.

"The attacks will be primarily directed at soft targets, because of the impact it generates."

It suggests refugees fleeing Syria and other nations for Europe may be vulnerable to recruitment.

"Indeed there are reports that refugee centres are being specifically targeted by Islamic extremist recruiters," the report says.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35401514

I really don't think some people have a clue just how dangerous the situation unfolding in Europe is.

Osem 26-01-2016 08:53
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A young female worker at a centre of asylum seekers has been murdered.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35406072

Quote:
Sweden's prime minister has described as a "terrible crime" the stabbing of a female employee at a centre for young asylum seekers.
Prime Minister Stefan Lofven visited the centre for unaccompanied migrants in Molndal, near Gothenburg, hours after the killing.

The suspect, an asylum seeker aged 15, has been arrested for the killing of the employee, who was 22.
Well it had to happen sooner or later didn't it. :mad: The fact is that nobody has a clue who these people are, what they've been involved in, how much they've been traumatised or psychologically scarred, what serious criminal records they may have or anything else. Under such circumstances awful stuff like this is bound to happen and this won't be the last murder of someone trying to help.



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Meanwhile elsewhere in Eurolalaland, half baked plans are apparently afoot to effectively 'seal off Greece' to prevent all those 'welcome' refugees travelling where they wish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ment-zone.html

I can see that going down well in Athens... :rolleyes:

heero_yuy 26-01-2016 10:05
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
VULNERABLE British children are being put in care miles away from their home area due to the massive increase in child asylum seekers.

Council chiefs in Kent say they have no choice, as there’s been a 30 per cent increase in the number of young refugees arriving in the county on their own since last August.

By law the county council has to find these children housing – meaning it has been stretched since the start of the migrant crisis, as it is the closest British county to Calais and Dunkirk.

Speaking at a meeting about the issue, the council’s cabinet member for specialist children’s services Councillor Peter Oakford said: "This has affected our ability to place citizen children within Kent ourselves.

"We have had to place Kent children outside of Kent due to the influx of UASC, which is not a good position to be in and is not a position we want to be in.
Linky

I hope those welcoming migrants into this country are satisfied.:mad:

Ramrod 26-01-2016 10:31
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35818931)
Linky

I hope those welcoming migrants into this country are satisfied.:mad:
A friend to every country but their own :rolleyes:

Osem 26-01-2016 11:16
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Well this was always going to happen wasn't it. Where did people think the services and facilities for these people would come from? Did they imagine Bob Geldof, his uber rich chums and the great and the good would be laying them on? Did they think the influx would have no impact on the hugely overstretched social/educational/health services struggling to cope with our own vulnerable and needy? Did they think extra child fostering/care services would be conjured out of thin air? It's all too easy for those who aren't at the sharp end to be generous of spirit when they're usually not the ones who're going to suffer the impact...

Osem 26-01-2016 14:20
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
An interesting take on Euro-woes:

Quote:
For the past 10 days, Europe's leaders have been engaged in a bout of gloom.

They openly admit Europe has lost control of the migrant crisis, and they fear for the future of the European project itself.
◾French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said: "Europe could lose its historical footing, and the project could die quickly. Things could fall apart in months"
◾German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said: "If the Schengen system [of border free travel] is destroyed, Europe will be seriously endangered"
◾Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said Europe's leaders had only "six to eight weeks to save Schengen"
◾European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker talked of a "last chance" for Europe. "Without Schengen, the euro has no point," he said
◾ German Chancellor Angela Merkel said: "No-one can pretend that you can have a common currency without being able to cross borders relatively easily"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35405896

Ramrod 26-01-2016 14:53
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
If the EU falls apart I will dance on it's grave...

solitaire 26-01-2016 15:09
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35818974)
If the EU falls apart I will dance on it's grave...
Myself and many others will join you!

Ignitionnet 26-01-2016 15:23
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
*Sigh*

Hope there's a lot more to that story than the Fail are presenting.

nomadking 26-01-2016 15:49
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35818978)
*Sigh*

Hope there's a lot more to that story than the Fail are presenting.
Just because you don't like something and/or doesn't appear in "The Guardian", doesn't mean it isn't true.

You do realise the the reports are usually sourced from elsewhere, although a lot in this case are obviously in German.
Deutsche Welle‎ - 3 days ago
Quote:
A group of nightlife spots in the German city of Freiburg have banded together to bar refugees following a string of reported crimes.


---------- Post added at 14:49 ---------- Previous post was at 14:42 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35818972)
An interesting take on Euro-woes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35405896
Was Europe "seriously endangered" before the "Schengen system" was started in 1985?:confused:

Ignitionnet 26-01-2016 15:53
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35818979)
Just because you don't like something and/or doesn't appear in "The Guardian", doesn't mean it isn't true.

You do realise the the reports are usually sourced from elsewhere, although a lot in this case are obviously in German.
Deutsche Welle‎ - 3 days ago
Thank you.

The sigh was a wistful one and the hope one I knew was likely in vain.

Evidently those didn't translate well to the post.

nashville 26-01-2016 16:38
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
There will be Trouble ahead.

techguyone 26-01-2016 16:53
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
There may be trouble ahead,
But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.

Before the fiddlers have fled,
Before they ask us to pay the bill,
And while we still have the chance,
Let's face the music and dance.

Soon, we'll be without the moon,
Humming a different toon,
And then, there may be tear drops to shed.
So while there's moonlight and music and love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance.
Let's face the music and dance,

Soon, we'll be without the moon,
Humming a different toon,
And then, there may be tear drops to shed.
So while there's moonlight and music and love and romance,
Let's face the music and dance,
Let's face the music and dance.

Osem 26-01-2016 19:22
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Blood on the streets even? Rivers of blood anyone? :erm:

Osem 26-01-2016 23:59
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
... and the Danes have just approved new laws to allow the seizing of valuables from refugees. Now that doesn't sound like much of a welcome does it?...

Quote:
The Danish parliament has backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers' valuables to pay for their upkeep.

Police will be able to seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (1,340 euros; £1,000) from refugees to cover housing and food costs.

MPs also approved plans to delay family reunions for asylum seekers.
Two fingers up to the great and the good eh?

TheDaddy 27-01-2016 01:45
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35819037)
... and the Danes have just approved new laws to allow the seizing of valuables from refugees. Now that doesn't sound like much of a welcome does it?...



Two fingers up to the great and the good eh?
Iirc Danes have always been subject to the same laws. Why should migrants be any different providing of course I did recall correctly

TheDaddy 27-01-2016 07:50
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Link to last post

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6834581.html

heero_yuy 27-01-2016 10:47
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Quote:
EU Commissioner says DEPORT 2 out of 3 migrants as the majority arriving in Europe are NOT true asylum seekers
European Commission chief Frans Timmermans claims 60 per cent of the 120,000 refugees who came in December were economic migrants
Linky

Quelle surprise. Only just worked it out matey. :rolleyes:

The rest are asylum seekers who mostly don't qualify either.

Osem 27-01-2016 11:13
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
I wonder if the Beeb will now drop the obligatory 'many fleeing conflict in Syria' tag line in favour of 'the majority being economic migrants claiming to be refugees'? :rolleyes:

Seriously what did they think would happen when they effectively issued an open invitation to anyone claiming to be from Syria? Sadly, the world is full of desperate people and the EU is really only experiencing the tip of a very large iceberg.

heero_yuy 27-01-2016 11:36
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35819062)
I wonder if the Beeb will now drop the obligatory 'many fleeing conflict in Syria' tag line in favour of 'the majority being economic migrants claiming to be refugees'? :rolleyes:
No chance! The PC BBC have tied themselves in gordian knots trying avoid the use of the moniker "Islamic Terrorist" They've probably got teams of linguists looking for another term.

Quote:
Seriously what did they think would happen when they effectively issued an open invitation to anyone claiming to be from Syria? Sadly, the world is full of desperate people and the EU is really only experiencing the tip of a very large iceberg.
If there's a "legitimate" way for them to try their luck they'll take it.

Taf 27-01-2016 11:38
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Turkey has been a gateway for illegal immigrants for decades, if not longer. And as long as the traffickers remain, the flow will not cease.

Osem 27-01-2016 14:51
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
... and if they are ever given entry to the EU it'll become an even bigger gateway for uncontrollable legal migration.

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Quote:
Greece has "seriously neglected" its obligations to control the EU's external borders, the European Commission has said in a draft report.

The assessment found failures to register, check and fingerprint migrants arriving in November.

Greece is required to control its borders as part of the passport-free Schengen accord and has been given three months to improve the situation.

If it does not, other Schengen states could temporarily close their borders.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35416741

I imagine they'll need some more money to do all of that don't you think? Whose bright idea was it to admit Greece into Eurolalaland then?...

Osem 27-01-2016 17:21
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Quote:
Twice hourly, the Austrian authorities put them on trains across the border, and the Germans are there to receive and process them.

Behind this practised routine though there looms a crisis for Germany and Europe. For the numbers arriving in Rosenheim and other centres in Bavaria are still so large that it has triggered a revolt against Chancellor Angela Merkel and her policy of allowing unlimited numbers of asylum seekers to come to her country from war zones.

As we watched people registering at Rosenheim, Inspector Benjamin Fretscher told me that arrivals there are running at between 800 and 2,000 a day. But when you include those getting to other centres in the southern German state, the total comes to 3,000-4,000 each day, officials told us off camera - a very different story to the 2,000 daily mentioned recently by Germany's interior minister.

That 3,000-4,000 figure could be politically ruinous for Mrs Merkel, for - at that rate - far from the steep cut promised for 2016 by the German government, this year's asylum seekers would far exceed last year's 1.1 million.

What's more, Germany finds itself in this situation at a time of year when Mediterranean storms and freezing Balkan weather are thought to be holding migration down - spring promises still higher numbers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-35414432

Ramrod 27-01-2016 20:50
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35819062)
I wonder if the Beeb will now drop the obligatory 'many fleeing conflict in Syria' tag line in favour of 'the majority being economic migrants claiming to be refugees'?
:rofl: When hell freezes over :D

Osem 28-01-2016 09:32
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
The authorities in Sweden are making plans to expel as many as 80,000 failed asylum-seekers, the interior minister has been quoted as saying.

Anders Ygeman said charter aircraft would be used to deport the migrants but it would take several years.

Some 163,000 migrants applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015, the highest per capita number in Europe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35425735

Best of luck with that eh. I'm sure the targeted masses are just going to sit around quietly playing dominoes waiting for the day when they're forced to return to the countries they fled... :rolleyes:

Damien 28-01-2016 09:44
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Where will they deport them too though? If they're economic migrants with an identified nationality then fair enough but if they're claiming asylum and they don't know where they have come from (likely) then what do you do?

Anyway. We're taking children from Syria:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35422777

Quote:
The UK is to accept more unaccompanied child refugees from Syria and other conflict zones - but the government has not said how many.
I think this a good way to do it. First of all they're children so higher priority, then there is the fact they're being taken from outside the EU so little incentive to make it over and also any integration problems are likely to be avoided as they're grow up in the UK.

Osem 28-01-2016 09:55
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35819203)
Where will they deport them too though? If they're economic migrants with an identified nationality then fair enough but if they're claiming asylum and they don't know where they have come from (likely) then what do you do?

Anyway. We're taking children from Syria:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35422777



I think this a good way to do it. First of all they're children so higher priority, then there is the fact they're being taken from outside the EU so little incentive to make it over and also any integration problems are likely to be avoided as they're grow up in the UK.
Well 'we' know that better than most don't we - it's just a sop to the general public. There's no way it will happen, as has been the case here, most of them will either disappear or set about building the 'family ties' they know will prevent them being sent anywhere. I'd be surprised if even 10% will ever be removed. The word has long got out to the world and his wife that in Europe, occupation is nine tenths of the law.

heero_yuy 28-01-2016 10:02
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35819203)

I think this a good way to do it. First of all they're children so higher priority, then there is the fact they're being taken from outside the EU so little incentive to make it over and also any integration problems are likely to be avoided as they're grow up in the UK.
Except that their human rights will allow their parents and all the extended family to join them as well. But I'm sure they'll all integrate into UK society. :rolleyes:

Indeed children could be cynically used as a gateway into the UK by all and sundry.

Osem 28-01-2016 10:16
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
I just hope all these vulnerable children are going to receive better 'care' and 'support' than a good many of their UK born and bred counterparts have been the recipients of. I hope they get all the support they need to keep them safe and ensure they fully integrate and become valued members of society. I'm sure there are copious finances, resources and properly trained staff just sitting around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do whilst waiting for them to arrive. :rolleyes:

I think taking them from camps is the right thing to do - so far as I'm concerned the migrants in Calais are living in (and subjecting their children to) appalling conditions when they're in a safe EU country and the only danger they face is self imposed. If we allow people to effectively blackmail us into giving them entry where will it all end? We're seeing what results when that happens all throughout Europe.

I'm just listening to Yvette Cooper banging on about vulnerable, lonely children wandering around Europe. Has she ever had a stroll around parts of London and many other of our major towns and cities I wonder. I don't hear her offering to do anything about that appalling state of affairs.

When asked about her personal offer to house refugees she quickly backtracked, however, suggesting that the govt. had suggested that would not be the best way to help then moved on. No surprise there then eh? So easy to talk the talk isn't it...

Taf 28-01-2016 12:59
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Migrants and refugees arriving on the Greek islands would immediately be sent back by ferry to Turkey, under a Dutch plan aimed at solving the crisis.

Under the proposal, Labour party leader Diederik Samsom says that in return the EU would offer to take in up to 250,000 refugees a year currently in Turkey.

More than 850,000 people arrived on the Greek islands from Turkey last year.

The plan would need to be in place by spring, before the next surge in numbers is expected, he says.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35426927

Osem 28-01-2016 15:18
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Yup, I can see that happening...

Ramrod 28-01-2016 18:04
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Pro Migrant Campaigners FAKED Migrant Death For Propaganda

Quote:
A pro mass migration volunteer at a refugee centre has admitted fabricating the death of a Syrian migrant, who supposedly died of the cold waiting for handouts in Berlin. The story was widely reported Germany, and used to lobby for extra money and resources for migrants.
:dozey:

figgyburn 28-01-2016 19:03
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
This is like king canute trying to stop the tide.This migrant tide will never ever stop.Europe is in a trance like state trying to be"inclusive,diversive,fair,sympathetic,non racist,compassionate,etc.Chaos will reign in europe and it will tear itself apart.And i fear that some kind of armed insurrection may take place in the near future.Masters of their own destiny(and downfall) indeed.

Osem 28-01-2016 19:12
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
There are always those who can't see beyond the ends of their noses. What do these deluded people think will happen when another 3 million more head this way? By the time they've woken up to what's happening it'll be too late to do anything about it. I really don't know how much more evidence they need before they see the enormity of what's going on and the massive problems which lie ahead in coping with everything which will result from this staggering influx. In a way they remind me of the poor souls who stood staring as the waters of the Indian Ocean receded in eerie silence prior to the deadly tsunami which followed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...d-of-2016.html

heero_yuy 29-01-2016 12:09
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
It is "virtually impossible" to know whether ISIS fighters are sneaking into the UK disguised as refugees, a British intelligence official claims.

The terror group has raided so many passport offices in Syria that ISIS chiefs are said to have a huge stock of fake IDs to supply Europe-bound fighters.

At terror camps in their capital Raqqa, commanders now freely hand out these fake Syrian passports to their followers, the unnamed official said.

The jihadis are then ordered to hide among the thousands of Syrian nationals fleeing the war-ravaged country and heading towards Europe, he added.
Linky

And we're giving "Syrians" preferential treatment. It's only going to be a matter of time before we have ISIS incidents on our streets. Blame the bleeding hearts and Cameron's total failure in getting a grip.

Ramrod 29-01-2016 12:14
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Ostentatious headlines in Aftonbladet, Expressen and other media declared that ”six Swedes”, later ”eight Swedes” had been arrested for a rough gang rape on a Finland ferry. Nya Tider is now the first newspaper to reveal that not even the white lie that the arrested Somalis are ”Swedish citizens” is right – all the detainees are Somali citizens, and of all the suspects only one has a Swedish citizenship.
link

Osem 29-01-2016 14:13
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Five times more attacks were carried out on migrant hostels in Germany last year than in 2014, German police say.

The total for 2015 was 1,005, compared with 199 in 2014, the police report said. Far-right activists are suspected in 90% of the cases.

Last year a record 1.1 million people sought asylum in Germany - many from war-torn Syria. Many local authorities have struggled to house them.

Germany is expanding its list of safe countries, hoping to curb the influx.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35437873

Who'd have thought?... :shrug:

Uncontrolled mass migration is a gift to extremists whether they be home grown right wing thugs or terrorists posing as refugees. What's being allowed to happen makes a mockery of national security.

Ramrod 30-01-2016 19:13
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
72 Year Old Woman Raped By 17 Year Old Migrant

Quote:
Significant doubt has been cast in recent weeks as to the ages of “young” asylum seekers and migrants, who realise that they are entitled to more, and are immune from serious prosecution, if they pretend to be younger.

richard s 30-01-2016 22:56
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
****-bag....

ianch99 31-01-2016 21:14
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Teenage girl admits making up migrant rape claim that outraged Germany

Quote:
A 13-year-old Russian-German girl has admitted making up a story about being kidnapped and raped by migrants in a case that triggered a furore in Germany and briefly embroiled Berlin police in a spat with the Kremlin, state prosecutors said.

The parents of the teenager, named only as Lisa, reported her missing on 11 January after she failed to appear at school in the Marzahn district of the capital. She reappeared 30 hours later with injuries on her face, and told her parents she had been attacked by men of Middle Eastern or north African appearance. News of the incident spread on social media, sparking outrage among Berlin’s Russian-German community.

But when she was questioned by trained specialists three days later “she immediately admitted that the story of the rape was not true”, said the spokesman for the state prosecutor, Martin Steltner.

Osem 31-01-2016 22:57
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
More than 10,000 migrant children may have disappeared after arriving in Europe over the past two years, the EU's police intelligence unit says.

Europol said thousands of vulnerable minors had vanished after registering with state authorities.

It warned of children and young people being forced into sexual exploitation and slavery by criminal gangs.

Save the Children says some 26,000 child migrants arrived in Europe last year without any family.

It is the first time Europol has given a Europe-wide estimate of how many might be missing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35453589

This is shocking!

Arthurgray50@blu 31-01-2016 23:20
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Nothing surprises me at all with all this. And there are people saying that the UK should take in vulnerable children.

So what happens when the children arrive - all of a sudden there parents, are found and bingo.

They are allowed to stay in an already over populated UK. One day the UK will tilt an sink, due to overcrowding.

We should close our borders NOW.

At the present moment this country is being used as a free for all.

Hugh 01-02-2016 00:21
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Arthur, the U.K. isn't a seesaw, balanced on a pivot - the likelyhood of our sceptered isle over-balancing is about as likely as you kissing* a picture of Margaret Thatcher before you go to bed each night.... ;)

(*no tongues, please)

Arthurgray50@blu 01-02-2016 00:49
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Hugh, me 'kissing a picture of MT' at night. You must be joking. I wouldn't waste my breath on her.
She fooled the women of this country, and she put the mining industry through absolute hell. And ruined this country

I worked in Mertnr Tydvil, at the time of the miners strike, and it was horrific. Families fighting each other over the strike - and even today, the miners who worked during the strike, are still shunned by the community.
I was petrified, when l was there, being a Londoner and them thinking that l was a MT supporter.

I would rather smash the picture, and then tread on it.

TheDaddy 01-02-2016 04:25
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35819759)
Hugh, me 'kissing a picture of MT' at night. You must be joking. I wouldn't waste my breath on her.
She fooled the women of this country, and she put the mining industry through absolute hell. And ruined this country

I worked in Mertnr Tydvil, at the time of the miners strike, and it was horrific. Families fighting each other over the strike - and even today, the miners who worked during the strike, are still shunned by the community.
I was petrified, when l was there, being a Londoner and them thinking that l was a MT supporter.

I would rather smash the picture, and then tread on it.
My opinion of her is changing over the years, the more I see and read I think her big fault was thinking everyone was as principled as she was, it must have caused her untold anguish when she finally realised most people weren't worthy of the trust she placed in them

Ramrod 02-02-2016 13:45
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Good to see that chivalry isn't dead :tu:

German pensioners 'attacked by migrants after defending young woman'
Quote:
Two pensioners who stood up for a young woman reportedly harassed by a migrant were apparently attacked in Germany by a group of refugees, according to a video.

The mobile phone footage posted online appears to show a group of young migrants of eastern European or Arabic origin attacking two German pensioners on a busy train in Munich in the middle of the day.

In the video the migrants are seen holding one man by the arms as he is verbally abused, while the second pensioner tussles with one of the young men before being held up by the neck and threatened.

The fight allegedly broke out after one of the migrant men was rejected by a woman whom he had placed his hand upon on the train.

nashville 02-02-2016 15:48
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Whatever are we gonna hear next , We will be flooded with them soon

Taf 02-02-2016 15:54
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 35820045)
Whatever are we gonna hear next , We will be flooded with them soon
Sweden is flooded with these types, but nothing like this was heard of though.

Not because it wasn't happening, but because the police and media were told not to mention it.

The dirty secret is out now though.

All over Europe.

heero_yuy 02-02-2016 16:04
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 35820045)
Whatever are we gonna hear next , We will be flooded with them soon
It's alright for you they don't want to go to Scotland. They're too busy washing cars in the supermarket car parks down here in the home counties.

nomadking 02-02-2016 16:05
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
I remember a documentary(on channel 4?) from many years ago(10+), where a Labour MP was taken around certain areas in Yorkshire(eg Keighley). There were multiple reports of a "certain section" of the local population harassing the local females on the streets. There were also complaints from a group of old people who had been "forced" out of a park because the attackers considered it their territory. They had moved to another park, and the attacks continued. The cameras caught them red-handed, but the MP put it down to "youthful exuberance". It certainly wouldn't have been called that if it was the other way around. This sort of behaviour has been going on for decades at one level or another, whereever a "certain section" has gathered in a sufficient quantity.

Osem 02-02-2016 16:54
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Denial on the part of those who got us into this mess is no longer an option. All that's left for them now is to pretend they can deal with these problems - deport economic migrants and unsavoury types blah, blah, blah - but we all know that is never going to happen on anything like a significant scale so we're going to reap the chaos which has been sown and things are soon going to get a lot worse as the numbers swell and desperation, resentment, anger set in.

Ramrod 02-02-2016 23:37
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Top German Journalist Admits Live On Air National News Agenda Set By Government
Quote:
National public service broadcaster Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen (ZDF), which was recently forced into a humiliating apology for their silence on migrant violence and sex assault is being drawn into a fresh scandal after one of their former bureau chiefs admitted the company takes orders from the government on what it reports. He said journalists received instructions to write news that would be “to Ms. Merkel’s liking”.
“Today, one is not allowed to say anything negative about the refugees” said Dr. Herles, concluding: “This is government journalism and that leads to a situation in which people no longer trust us. This is a scandal.”

Osem 03-02-2016 09:16
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Blimey are they Germany's equivalent of RT then?...

None of this surprises me or many of us I'd suggest. The handling of this crisis has exposed the EU's fatal flaws yet again and it's no surprise to me that those at the heart of Europe will do almost anything to hide the reality of what is being allowed to happen. We've already seen emergency measures in various countries on the basis of security but how long before these measures are used to quell public unease at what's going on.

Make no mistake, this problem is massive and the fact that we're not yet seeing anywhere near the full ramifications in the UK should be of no great comfort to us. Unless there's a miracle, things are going to get far worse and trouble is going to spread across Europe whilst people like Merkel cynically instruct their media to turn a blind eye to the mayhem and try to convince their people that nothing's wrong. Once people start to feel the direct effects on their services, jobs, streets, schools, hospitals etc. there's going to be a backlash. It's already happening and it's ugly. The 'welcome' is turning nasty in the extreme and in the US, much of Trump's popularity is based on stopping illegal migration, especially from Mexico where they're facing similar problems to the EU.

Gary L 03-02-2016 10:25
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
Once upon a time. a long long time ago. the world was split up into segments.
some good, some bad and some best ignored.

one day the bad and the ignored ventured out of their segment and caused mayhem to the rest of the world. eventually the world was no more. everyone was dead because they all killed each other.


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