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he'll be there to celebrate teh 20th anniversary of their last trophy;)

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And therefore of the 20th anniversary of a certain Arsenal-supporting CF member posting in a football thread about how all-conquering his team were :D

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Any names.:D

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A well known blues singer perchance.:D

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http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/

;)

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LMAO :rofl:

Awesome...

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sod off

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Ooooooo ;)

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You can always support the ladies team you know as they have won a trophy.;)

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why don't you go find out whos fingering your laptop.

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A few of these might be handy for Arsene to throw at his players.

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its not the players, its him. 50mil in the bank for transfer yet no sign of it being spent on quality that will improve the squad now. he goes out and buys unproven talent that will make it next season at the earliest and a late trolly dash which is just covering up the cracks. that money should have been spent with fabregas and nasri is the squad but hes reluctant to do so, everyones been saying the same thing for years. its got to be said hes done well although its underachieving with what the club has at its disposal. i find it incredibly hard to understand the logic this time around, firstly the tactics suck. secondly he doesn't spend on decent replacements, thirdly hes risking not getting into the top 4 this season and wasting land sale funds on covering the clubs lack of income from not being involved in the CL should it come to that. it doesn't make sense, hes lost the plot.

the squad played 4-4-2 last night extremely pleased he switched the formation and i hope he plays the same formation against bolton to see whether our first team can handle it better than the frustrating 4-3-3

i have hope january will bring in new faces but knowing wenger he'll say everything fine. "are you going to sign anyone arsene" "nnoooaaaawwwww"

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l think the causes of Arsenal current problem stemmed from the end of the invincibles era as if you look at the players they had then and the players they have now they have never really replaced those players like for like with players of a similiar quality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invincibles_(football)

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wenger inherited half of them and thats exactly the problem. its incredible that club has one of the best scouting networks in world sport yet the club cannot get players signed either because they can't be bothered or they don't feel the player offers real value... apparently.

wenger should of left a season ago and become the worlds financier. we could of had pep as manager right now with fab and nasri still in the squad. anywho pressure is building from all angles now, i'm looking for forward to hearing from stan when hes next in England. he's already said out in the US Arsenals current set up relates to a shoddy one out in the US where half hearted attempts to cure problems didn't work and real investment needed to be made. january should be interesting.

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its like my team Liverpool before this season we had 2 idiots owning the club and devesting instead of investing but hopefully with the new owners investment will be done on a ongoing basis but as the owners said a couple of weeks ago it will take time to catch up as we are at least 2 to 3 years behind the Manchester clubs at present.

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Which members of the invincibles did he 'inherit'?

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you've got to take things into account though, some of the big money signing when those two were about were a waste, a complete joke.

your in a different position to arsenal. arsenal is self-sustainable, well they try to feed us fans with that yet shoot themselves in the foot by risking throwing safety net money away when theres transfer funds available and all can be avoided. stan wont pump money into the club, hes not allowed, the board rejected the idea a long long time ago. usmanov offered 40 mil a few seasons ago interest free, pay it back when you can thing but it was rejected. theres money in the account, the club doesn't need the shareholders money.. its wenger, he wont spend. he handles transfers, wages, everything, completely gagging this club to death.

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Investment is but part of the picture Den ... Liverpool of old had what Man Utd has now: a culture in which people come in, grow up with the club helped by seniors, become senior themselves and then help those coming in. All led by a strong and gifted man at the top.

This worked for Liverpool from Shankly until Souness, who essentially wrecked it. And it will keep working for Utd at least until Ferguson loses his touch (unlikely, by the look of it) or hands over to someone who doesn't have the good sense to keep things running as they now are.

If Dalgleish can keep his head together, I think Liverpool does stand a chance of restoring things behind the scenes. But the Premiership is such a different place than the old Division One was, it will be frankly astounding if the club ever regains the position it had in the 70s and 80s.

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One of our major problems is we need to increase our capacity but this will never happen at Anfield so we need to build a new stadium and the sooner the better as a increased capacity and naming rights for the new stadium will bring in a big increase in financial revenues

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Arsenal owners are not the same to be fair. They have not, yet, burdened the club with debt and are intent on balancing the books. It's harmful for our trophy cabinet but healthy for our future. We're probably going to be behind the elite clubs funded by petrol dollars but we can't compete with them anyway.

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Yes the sooner SAF leaves Man Utd the better as he is the glue that keeps them at the top but yes us Liverpool fans have to be patient before we can return to even a bit of the old glory days but l believe with dalgleish and the current owners we have a reasonable chance of doing that and l do long for that day when we can win the premier league even just once.

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But don't Arsenal still have a considerable debt from building their stadium.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...ancial-figures

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the stadium debt can be paid back at a steady rate without gagging the club. the first couple of seasons into the move yes, the club was a little under it but not now, theres money available.

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Well Liverpool have just took the lead at Brighton with that Welsh whippersnapper Bellamy scoring.



Well the man who produced a video to try to get a contract has scored for Man City

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Man City score, Owen Hargreaves of all people. As a Red I am still really chuffed for him.:cool:

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have you seen the jump Usmanovs made in his own wealth? last year around 7 Billion this year 17 billion.. 10 billion made within one year? :shocked:

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Well Man City have taken a 2-0 lead at home against Birmingham through spaghetti Balotelli.

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Glad you're enjoying his stay ;)

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Perhaps his wife can have a word in his ear to prompt his retirement.;)

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"No need to retire dear...it winds the 'pool fans up soo much" ;)

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shes probably happy hes away from home. old fart moaning all day. face it he'll manage until he dies.. wenger too.

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How does the old saying go the empire will crumble in the end just like Rome did.:D

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...and Liverpool's...

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They are gradually building one that will surpass yours.;)

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The joke of the day!

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Yes its one from the vaults of history.:D

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True ;)

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Well Liverpool have just doubled their lead at Brighton through Kuyt.


Thankfully Liverpool have made it into the next round winning 2-1.

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Brighton 1-2 Liverpool FT
Everton 2-1 West Brom (After Extra Time)
Man City 2-0 Birmingham FT
Southampton 2-1 Preston FT

Two games gone to penalties..

Cardiff 2-2 Leicester
Chelsea 0-0 Fulham

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Bergkamp, Keown and Parlour

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Scores and reports from the Carling cup 3rd Round

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...up/default.stm

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Yup. Not forgetting that Bergkamp was a recommendation to Dein from Wenger whereas Keown and Parlour were not regular starters.

It's one of the biggest myths going that Wenger's previous successes were because of the players inherited from Graham, only 2 members of the previous squad were in the squad and neither were in the starting 11. It gets parroted out all the time, even by Arsenal fans who should really know better.

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Wenger had a decent spine to work with, those individuals responded to the bosses ways but also knew they had to have steel about them to succeed, it was a natural reflex when you had such a good mix. Arsene needs to get tough with these current players. his excuse is that he doesn't want to damage their confidence or ego seeing as thats big now days. 2009 Liverpool v Arsenal, Wenger went mental at half time.. of all people Arshavin stood up to be counted in the second half, the whole squad responded we won 2-1.

Pat Rice normally does all the shouting while Wenger uses his brain but he needs to understand these players need him to be vocal and stern. thats my take on it anyway.

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Like they needed any recommendation to sign some one like Bergkamp, if that's true they might as well bin all the trophies they won in the early '90's as it'd mean they didn't have a clue.

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Well Graham had already left Arsenal when Bergkamp came, it was Dein who did the deal.

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Yes and are you really saying that his legacy was to leave a club that couldn't see how good a player Bergkamp was. I think Bruce Rioch would dispute that or are you implying that he was undermind within weeks of taking the job by having some pen pusher signing the players for him.

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My mistake. It was Patrick Viera whom Wenger requested be signed before he took the position of manager. Not Bergkamp. Although Dein had sought Wenger's advice on Bergkamp it was not a decision he made. (Wenger and Dein had started a close relationship a few years prior to him taking over at Arsenal.)

I think it's a small issue anyway. My point was that the unbeaten team was not one inherited from Graham. It was filled with his players and when fans and journalists pontificate about Wenger's recent inability to recreate the success being because he no longer had these 'inherited' players they are talking inaccurate nonsense.

He managed to assemble a team that went unbeaten, yet had creative and attacking flair which you would associate with his sides.

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Cough...

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I was referring to the Invincibles Team. Think people knew what I meant ;)

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Just pointing out you were beaten by...

Dynamo Kyiv
Inter
Chelsea
Manchester Utd
Middlesbrough (Twice)


;)

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Not in the League :)

The 'L' column has a bit fat 0. :D

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Doesn't it have a big fat '1' next to the Man United result?

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no we lost Russ, stop using text speech on the forum kill joy :mad:

wenger rules out bringing in additional coaches but declines to comment on another move for Gary Cahill, sounds promising :D

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11670_7196124,00.html

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No it doesn't. Gary Cahill is overrated IMO. Samba might be a better buy or there are some decent French center backs in Ligue 1. Although Sarko plays for PSG so won't get him...

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If Wenger was adamant he doesn't want Cahill he would of said no straight up. If its top quality we really want then a look at the German bundesliga will prove worth while.

Sakho, yeah long shot plus Wenger, a PSG supporter wont take one of their best players, sucks but we have to deal with it.

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:D

http://newsthump.com/2011/09/13/kevi...united-player/

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He isn't a PSG supporter and even if he was that wouldn't stop him from getting a player he desires. We won't get Sakho because PSG are very, very rich now and are not going to sell one of their required players.

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you sure? i'm sure hes a PSG fan. wenger could have signed him a few season ago but declined to spend money, Sakho got annoyed and pledged his future to PSG. and yeah, no chance now.

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Isn't that where Arsenal got Deerstalker or whatever he is called from, totally out of his depth in the Premier League IMHO.:p:

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Per was the lidl option. hummels top class, subotic too.

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A foreign player no matter his age needs time to adapt to the rigours of the Premiership so Arsene's signings need a little time to cope with it.

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Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere out for months after ankle surgery


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14636507.stm

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So a chat with a stoke fan led to.. Were only one point behind you and still battling for that Champions League spot. I reminded him that the Premierleague lasts 38 games. Anyway 5 games down and 4 teams still waiting to taste defeat although two of them look unstoppable.

Manchester City
Manchester United

The other two undefeated teams thus far

Newcastle United
Aston Villa

How I'd love to see the league table like that after 38 games. Newcastle Midfield is top quality but the lack of real strikers makes you wonder if it can actually get better than this..

As for City and Manchester United.. well put it this way Barcelona looked good last year but I honestly think they would receive a good hammering off either of these two at the minute. Rooney has really hit some form this time round and Nani is looking brilliant too.

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Although I'd love to be proven wrong on this, I reckon United with lose before City. I'm still not convinced United are the side people seem to be making them out as. Our defence is a slight concern and of course De Gea has yet to adjust to the game and can't yet be considered reliable. Yes we've had a good start but I'd say it's more a mixture of luck, lower-end opponents, and playing Arsenal.

Rooney is obviously on fire but what if he takes an injury? Wellbeck is still learning, Hernandez is making a slow start, Owen can't be relied upon to score regular goals at top premiership level and Berbatov is Berbatov.

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I know you must have been tempted Russ, but I have done the job for you :D

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:D :D

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Wenger hints at more big name departures


http://www.soccernews.com/wenger-hin...medium=twitter

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CARLING CUP FOURTH ROUND DRAW

Wolves v Man City
Cardiff v Burnley
Blackburn v Newcastle
Arsenal v Bolton
Stoke v Liverpool
Aldershot v Man Utd
Crystal Palace v Southampton
Everton v Chelsea

Ties to be played week commencing 24 October

Aldershot must printing the tickets alraedy

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l see my team gets its third consecutive away draw.:(

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Half time Man City 0 Everton 0

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I am not sure who I feel more sorry for, the parents or the boy...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...g-YouTube.html

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Well l blame the parents more then the boy as its their sick prejudices that then influence their offspring.

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Balotelli put Man City one up against Everton with 20 minutes to go.

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Some people shouldn't have kids...my opinion

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l agree totally.:clap:

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Also, some people shouldn't be managers...i thought balotelli was bad substitution...of course, he scores :D

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l am sure there is a managerial job for you somewhere.:D

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Nope..I don't even like football manager 2011 et al. :D

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And to prove it again..I didn't think Milner was right substitution...and he scores...I'm thinking someone is taking the proverbial :D
Now watch Savic score to make it 3-0

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full time score

Man City 2 Everton 0


Silva man of the match again

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Early goal by Van der Vaart for Spurs against Wigan.


Latest

Wigan 0 Spurs 2
Liverpool 1 Wolves 0
Newcastle 1 Blackburn 0

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Chelsea 1 Swansea 0
Newcastle 2 Blackburn 0
Chelsea 2 Swansea 0
Newcastle 2 Blackburn 1
Liverpool 2 Wolves 0

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Half time scores

Arsenal0-0BoltonHT
Chelsea2-0SwanseaHT
Liverpool2-0WolvesHT
Man City2-0EvertonFT
Newcastle2-1BlackburnHT
Stoke v Man Utd17:30
West Brom0-0FulhamHT
Wigan0-2TottenhamHT

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Ah Torres :D

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Chelsea 2 Swansea 0 :):D

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Only Torres could have the kind of luck where he gets transferred for £50m, scores only 2 goals in a year and gets sent off minutes after the third :D

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Latest scores

Liverpool 2 Wolves 1
Mewcastle 3 Blackburn 1
Wigan 1 Spurs 2
Arsenal 1 Bolton 0

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Arsenal 2 Bolton 0
Chelsea 3 Swansea 0
Chelsea 3 Swansea 1
Arsenal 3 Bolton 0

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Full time scores

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/default.stm

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Rooney out, injured????:(

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As I predicted.

And it gets worse. Donkey takes his place.

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Nani has put Man Utd one up against Stoke.

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Yes a good goal with decent build up play.

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Only a suspicion but l cannot remember whether you are a Liverpool or Man Utd supporter but you might not be neither.:erm:

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Would it help if I said the latter , Liverpool :rolleyes: no thanks

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l shall have to have a word with your superior master about a possible demotion from master to apprentice.:D:D

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And that beanpole Crouch has just equalised for Stoke.:)

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Full time score

Stoke 1 Man Utd 1

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Just as I said. Take Rooney out of the picture, shakey defence and we end up drawing with Stoke. Granted De Gea had some great saves but imagine that was against Man City.

And for crying out loud SAF why the hell did you play the typically useless Donkey?! Get rid of the clown.

I'm convinced the only reason Donkey hasn't been shipped out yet is because he has an incriminating photo of SAF getting frisky with a goat. Can't see any other reason why he's still on the payroll.

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Very poor in the second half , Anderson and Fletcher never got going in the midfield and Berbatov was non existent.

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Anfield awaits in the coming month.:)

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Thank gawd I know how to clean coffee out of a keyboard!!!!

:rofl:

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Latest score

QPR 0 Aston Villa 1


Full time score

QPR 1 Aston Villa 1

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I think the referee was inexperienced in the game with QPR, two handballs by Hutton and the ref never gave it.

The penalty was a poor decision.

This is a problem with officials, they have to learn there trade in the lower divisions, thengo to Premier League.

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Yes l thought the ref made some very inexperienced decisions in the match.

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they need to clamp down on everything but fear killing the game. Utd had a pen shout early in the game against Stoke and Fergies reply was "it was too early in the game to give it" although hes got a point, its still pathetic.

shirt pulling, the lot should be flagged all day long. sod killing off the game, the players will have to learn and show quality!!

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Totally agree. Some of the antics in the penalty box is becoming ridiculous.

If they pull the shirt, book them. If they dive..book them

I'd rather watch 5 play 5..then keep some of the cheats on the pitch

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the attacking team is always given the advantage, yup of course they are. its incredible that Englands small group of "proper" faithful moan about teams like Arsenal not helping Englands international squad improving yet the rules in place don't exactly play in favor of the International game. Defenders will have to show pure quality to overcome dangers without pulling shirts etc. and as a result aid them become better players all of which will benefit the game as a whole at all levels unless we see a huge amount of players not being able to play because their not able to show pure quality. basically the the rules and stance is protecting flops. refs taking this stance are killing the game as much as having video technology in place would yet neither is even remotely being discussed.

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7 v 7 is the lowest you can get to before the game has to be abandoned

that said totally agree, refs need to be more firm.