Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

NOPE definitely BQV
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/12/20.jpg

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I would guess the 'b' means bait

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

You got it :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

you missed the point the van is still insured.
not a old dumped van.that was not used any more.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

tin foil hatters eh - i'll keep my eye's open for them :Sprint:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

it will still be insured on block insurance if the met still own it ,they may be keeping it for evidence locked in a pound somewhere and then scrapped and then removed from the policy

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I notice these people are supposed to be the doctors and lawyers of the future but they can't even spell "Tory" correctly.

Bodes well for the future doesn't it?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:omg:no i mean that it was insured and you said it had tax on it on the day of the demo

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But the one in the top photo has www.met.police.uk on the back door, while the one on the lower photo doesn't - is this part of the conspiracy?:confused:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Just as well really as that is gonna be one hell of a claim! :erm:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

sorry hugh you have the wrong end of the stick i was trying to prove that the van was not just dumped there.:PP:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I know, buddy - I was just playing "devil's advocate"........;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

but you haven't proved its the same van -have you ?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

no but with the markings on the side of the van it looks like it to me.
you prove its not

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

well if your convinced that its the only police van with those markings on in the entire uk fleet of police vans who am i to argue - i mean you are sure it unique ,a one off ,the only one of its kind ?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

no i am not 100% sure but you Show me another one with the markings .

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I believe the markings are unique to that vehicle whilst in service ,it helps to id the vehicle and is also the call sign of the vehicle ,so it would be pointless having the system if it wasn't unique ,i believe the number/letters can be used for replacement vehicles when the original is taken out of service

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

what do you base this belief on ie do you know for a fact that it is a unique id system or is it just something you would like to be true ?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

there you go
http://www.truckpol.com/downloads/43...f_Markings.pdf

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Excellent the more the merrier :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Oh is this thread still going up and down the same old cul de sac? Someone put me out of my misery.

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Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:rofl:

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But Maggy then you would miss all the lovely conspiracy theories.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Good!

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:LOL:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

i believe vanman has just answered that

@vanman ,cheers dude ,i was looking for something like that

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But that document is what they want you to believe - their black helicopters have no identification on them......

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

that document as far as i can see covers roof signs on patrol vehicles .

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Do you think the roof marking might match the ones on the side?

btw, to everyone, we are falling into an old debating trap - shouldn't the people putting forward the proposition that the van was abandoned deliberately to provoke a reaction have to prove the proposition, rather than others have to prove it isn't true?

Just saying......

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:LOL:

You've been around flyboy to much, his asking question all the time is rubbing off on you ;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Does it really matter?

The van got trashed by idiots - fact.

The fact that it was there is neither here nor there, the Police, correct me if I am wrong, can park where the hell they like.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Did the tyres have minimum tread?

Just asking....;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

that's a good question Hugh -because if it didn't it could point to all manner reasons for it being dumped there ,and could alter the entire course of this debate .

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1293214182

there you go ,quite clearly the letters match the unique call sign on the roof (don't forget to view from rear)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

bloody hell you're right ,quick someone find some footage of the vans tyres:D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

BOV ? - i thought you said it was 8QV when you zoomed in

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i heard it was on bricks .

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the difference is i finally got an answer :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I think when Derek comes back to this thread he is going to need that stiff drink...

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

This thread is supposed to be about Students Rioting in London and not a slanging match about a Police van that was trashed, so should this thread now be renamed or will the actual subject reappear.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Believe me there is NOTHING that will alter the course of this entire thread except that it gets closed.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Please don't close it, There are that many conspiracy theories coming out in this thread, I was really hoping we might find out who really shot Roger Rabbit. I heard it was the Duracell rabbit.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

It's not going to be closed by me or anyone as long as it remains polite.;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

that theory lasts 6 times longer that normal theories :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

The Security Services know who did it, as they had Bugs in Roger's room......

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Then we need to get a riot organised in London by the security building and we can then slip in and steal the evidence disguised as the cast from water ship down and demonstrating against higher warren fee's. No one will ever know ;)

How can you tell i am doped up to my eyeballs with lemsips :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Have some people been taking too many tablets or is there a need for a free issue of tin foil hats to the readers of this thread?

Perhaps after Christmas some sane debate can be resumed?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

come on don't spoil it

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

This is Cable Forum...No chance.:D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

It's unique to the Met and identifies the vehicle. I'd imagine at some point the codes are re-used but seeing there are roughly 35,000 possible combinations they can afford to leave the defunct ones off new vehicles for a while.

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Damn right :erm:

I think I'll go back to bed no before late shift.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Don't forget to remove all of your personal issue and other gear from the van just in case it finds itself in the middle of a group of entirely law abiding people... :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I think the BQV stands for Bait Vehicle. the Q is probably the division it belongs to?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

See your on the ball today Gary

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Must be the nuts.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

If we are going to discuss this topic in between mouthfulls of turkey can we at least make sure it's just as (in)sane as yesterday :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I am game ;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

What sort? Venison, pheasant, wood pigeon?.... ;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

he just means he is well hung ;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Or has a strange smell and acquired taste. :erm:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:rofl:

Both perhaps.... :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

You been sneaking a look in the shower again :Sprint:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Of course, "Q" ships during the war were decoys, military ships disguised as merchant ships to draw in the enemy.....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

your doing it on purpose aren't you Hugh ,stoking the fires of conspiracy to feed the flames of Gary's imagination :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

so this conspiracy dates back to the forties - obviously the van belongs to a covert government agency[wwii] originally commissioned by Winston himself ,it all becomes clear now -strategically place a van disguised as a police vehicle drawing in the enemies of state oppression so that they can be recognised by cctv surveillance camera's ,thus making it easy for the oppressors of free will to disappear these peaceful protesters who refuse to be oppressed by this tyrannical coalition of bullies and dare i say fibbers ..

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/12/13.jpg

Actually, Q ships started in the First World War, so it's even worse than we think......

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

well DUR ,the two ronnies had that worked out 6 pages ago :rolleyes:

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well if that's true ,then the rumours of a secret code embedded into Mein Kampf with instructions for the young of today must be true :scratch:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

"Actually, Q ships started in the First World War, so it's even worse than we think......"

you could be right Hugh -a quick google of ww1[the original agency] shows chaos and destruction on a massive scale all in the name of state oppression , this is big mate its too big for me to handle ,they have pointed the satellites at my head again ,its ok though i'm wearing the foil from the xmas goose on my head [its a bit greasy but it smells nice ] ..

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

This has gone so far of topic its become a mars bar. :LOL:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Come on, I know the vans rusty but I refuse to believe it's anywhere near 100 years old... :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Time Travel anyone ?

There must be loads of time travel conspiracies that can explain the Van :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I believe Flyboy already mentioned the Tardis theory :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

:LOL:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

hay you want conspiracies you on wrong forum.
you want this one http://www.davidicke.com/forum/

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Metropolitan Police face legal action for kettling children during tuition fees protest


Scotland Yard is facing legal action over claims that officers "falsely imprisoned" and assaulted schoolchildren during a tuition fees protest in London last month.



In what is believed to be the first lawsuit taken against police in connection with the violence, lawyers from human rights group Liberty have notified the Metropolitan Police of legal action involving minors who suffered "inhuman and degrading treatment" during a protest on 24 November.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/de...tudent-protest

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Well it will be interesting to see how this turns out..though a 19 year old is technically not a child.He's a witness.Might be better as a separate thread.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

The claim is on behalf of three young protesters, one of whom is a 15-year-old whose foot was broken after allegedly being struck by an officer when trying to leave a police kettle and who claims she was subsequently refused medical help. Another is a 17-year-old London student who became so distressed inside the "kettle" that her father said she came away suffering from shock. The third is Rory Evans, 19, whose ankle was broken during a crowd surge among protesters contained between police lines.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Got that.Just saying that a 19 year old is not a child.;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup...method=boolean

Long and boring but basically containment is legal.

If protestors want different forms of crowd control then it's time for more continental tactics such as CS and water cannon.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

The problem is though the protesters don't want any crowd control ,they think that there is no justification for a police presence at all ,they think that smashing windows ect is all part of peacefull protesting

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

"some" protesters, surely.....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I honestly feel the police are being pushed towards a position where they will have to use the likes of plastic bullet, tear gas and water cannon. If they are not allowed to contain the hooligan students then that will be the only option because what the hooligan students want is to be able to run around rioting and smashing what they want, looting what they want, Beating up who they want, Well what they want is not what they are going to get. The more they riot i feel the more the Government will dig in.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

well yes that is correct ,but if anyone can tell the difference between genuine peacefull protesters and those intent on causing damage then fine ,seperate and kettle those and let the peacefull ones continue ...but i don't somehow think it's that simple ,hence the police have to treat all as violent protesters and kettle all of them and untill the genuine protesters can find a way to stop the violence then they will all be tarred with the same brush

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Yes i agree ,but if the police start using cs gas and water cannon then i think that will be a point scored for the anarchists amongst them ,i think they would love nothing more than to see those measures as they would see it as a excuse to escalate the violence

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Fine we do have the military if needed.;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Ker-ching!

1. Deliberately ignore warnings from police for the kids to stay away from the protest
2. Get awarded the victory in court because the powers that be would never want to be seen supporting their own police force.
3. Profit.

And anyone that missed out on this get-rich-quick scheme, don't fret! They'll be another one in 2011 so their pot financing will be secure.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Oh and in at least one case a protestor has been proved to be lying. If they publicly state it's not true it must have been blatant lies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12075107

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Alfie Meadows, 20, suffered head injuries at the student fees protest in central London on 9 December.

His mother Susan Matthews said police objected to him being treated at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, where some injured officers had been taken.

But the Metropolitan Police's Directorate of Professional Standards said the claims had been "disproved".



the metropolitan dictatorship eh -well you can't argue with them.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Breaking: Edward Woollard jailed for 32 months for throwing a fire extinguisher off the top of Tory HQ.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12159581

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Edward Woollard has just got 32 months in pokey (Well in reality a year or so) for chucking a fire extinguisher off the roof during the first protests. :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

The Echo obviously isn't just a newspaper in Liverpool ... ;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I was too busy laughing to post for a few minutes. :D

32 months. Out in half, probably out on a tag a few months before halfway, not too bad a result. I reckon a few more of the halfwits who thought smashing up things or swinging on the cenotaph and trying to set fire to buildings during the protests might be requiring a change of underwear when they see this.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I hope Charlie Gilmore has read this as he more than deserves a little holiday.;)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Great result,

That'll look great on his CV.

Whatever his future career, He'll have to twitch every time CRB check is mentioned

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

That should give him some real life experience then :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Out of interest, what do you reckon the sentence would have been if a PC had been injured by the fire extinguisher?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

If anyone had been injured it would have been a lot longer sentence, it was lucky no one got hit as it could have killed them quite easily.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

He'll be getting a lot more sex than his classmates now that's for sure. :)

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

He looks the type who would be grateful for it :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Excellent news one hooligan down more to follow i hope.

How can he think anyone would believe that.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

What an utterly, utterly crass claim for him to make. If he truly has no concept of the damage any object can do to a person when dropped from that sort of height, then he needs locking up for the protection of the public, regardless of any crime he may also have committed.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Chris

That's my feeling as well. He is supposed to be an intelligent student so he must have known what would happen when he picked up a heavy fire extinguisher, Lifted it above his head and then threw it down towards a crowd of people from the top of a very high building.

So i was correct the first time, He's a hooligan

Anyway he certainly will get an education in jail but i can offer one free bit of educational advice "Don't drop your soap in the shower". :)