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Mal 23-11-2009 20:24
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
An actual post about football ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/8374893.stm

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC Sport
Wigan's players are to personally refund Latics fans who bought tickets at the DW Stadium for the 9-1 hammering at Tottenham on Sunday.
A good gesture, I think

TheDaddy 23-11-2009 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34914458)
Not every Israeli or Jew supports Israel's policies towards Palestine*. Treating the entire people as one is a recipe for trouble.

He also doesn't want to play with an Algerian! He is at best xenophobic.


*Personally, although I obviously intensely dislike some of it, I think not all are without merit.
I wasn't really talking about Palestinians but they way they treat fellow non Jewish Israelis.

And I wouldn't hold the Algerian thing against him at the moment, that's bitterness rather than xenohobia after the play off game, after all I wouldn't blame an Irishman for not wanting to play with any of the French team at the moment, see if he still says the same this time next year.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34914472)
Its called evidence. Evidence to prove that are wrong and have not got the faintest idea what you are talking about. That or you are trying to (pathetically) defend your own prejudices. Which one then?
Evidence is that what you call it, I say it's more like laziness, having to resort to dicitonarys does nothing for debate and I haven't got any idea, I'd remind you it's not me trying to call some one racist when the country in question is made up of more than one race.

Quote:
More nonsense from you then
:rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34914511)
A good gesture, I think
I thought that to

Russ 23-11-2009 21:20
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34914511)
An actual post about football ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/8374893.stm

A good gesture, I think
Absolutely, I didn't read it properly the first time, I thought it was the club who would be refunding them but it's actually the players - good on them :tu:

Derek 24-11-2009 00:43
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Seeing the Soccer AM All-Sports show and sport hurts isn't on anymore you might have missed this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot..._3/8374862.stm

Ouchy!

NoKnowledge 24-11-2009 01:09
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That was a bullet, even in slo-mo I couldn't make out what part the ball hit

sherer 24-11-2009 10:10
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FIFA to meet over the Ireland - France match

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8375320.stm

To be honest I think FIFA \ UEFA and the FA have shot themselves in the foot over this already. When was the last time you watched a match without seeing people diving and rolling all over the floor pretending to be injured. For me it would be several years ago, and then if you add in players getting the slightest touch on the face and having to roll on the floor, getting kicked in the foot and holding the knee as it is easier it gets worse.

Players like Ronaldo and Torres who two of the greatest players in the world at the moment have to cheat every match and get away with it

Damien 24-11-2009 10:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34914739)
FIFA to meet over the Ireland - France match

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8375320.stm

To be honest I think FIFA \ UEFA and the FA have shot themselves in the foot over this already. When was the last time you watched a match without seeing people diving and rolling all over the floor pretending to be injured. For me it would be several years ago, and then if you add in players getting the slightest touch on the face and having to roll on the floor, getting kicked in the foot and holding the knee as it is easier it gets worse.

Players like Ronaldo and Torres who two of the greatest players in the world at the moment have to cheat every match and get away with it
Player we like (i.e British) it's Sportsmanship.
Player we dislike (i.e Foreign) it's Cheating.

sherer 24-11-2009 10:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34914741)
Player we like (i.e British) it's Sportsmanship.
Player we dislike (i.e Foreign) it's Cheating.
cheating is cheating no matter what the nationality or important.

Derek 24-11-2009 10:43
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I'm still in favour of having a panel watch games after the final whistle and if there was any diving or unprofessional conduct during the game hand out 2 or 3 match bans to the culprits.

It wouldn't interfere with the game but would hopefully concentrate minds that if you do get an unfair advantage you'll be sitting out the next few games.

sherer 24-11-2009 10:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34914757)
I'm still in favour of having a panel watch games after the final whistle and if there was any diving or unprofessional conduct during the game hand out 2 or 3 match bans to the culprits.

It wouldn't interfere with the game but would hopefully concentrate minds that if you do get an unfair advantage you'll be sitting out the next few games.
i'd like something like that but as we have seen with Eduardo and others all that happens is the team appeals and then because they touched a blade of grass or had the slightest contact possible the ban gets reduced.

What we need as an over reaction as I don't think a 203 game ban would have an affect. I'd ban players for 5 games for a first offence and then 10 if they did it again then it would really help to cut it out

Damien 24-11-2009 11:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34914763)
i'd like something like that but as we have seen with Eduardo and others all that happens is the team appeals and then because they touched a blade of grass or had the slightest contact possible the ban gets reduced.

What we need as an over reaction as I don't think a 203 game ban would have an affect. I'd ban players for 5 games for a first offence and then 10 if they did it again then it would really help to cut it out
They you would have the ambiguity of if it were a dive or not. It would be just as unfair, and people would be protesting just as much, if a player was ruled to have dived when his supports think he didn't. Even via video replays, such as Anelka and Eduardo's 'dives'. I think Eduardo felt contact and decided to go to ground. I felt Anelka's was an actual foul as Given got his ankle.

You said cheating is cheating but it's true that it depends on the player. The Anelka foul was almost the same as the one Rooney got against Arsenal. Both were not going to reach the ball and were looking for the foul. It's still a penalty.

The difference is that when it was England's Golden Boy the press and fan base said "Well, He was going down before contact was made but contact was made. It's a clear penalty". When it's Anelka against the Irish (and it makes the faux-outrage less clear) then he's dirty cheat. A label not given to Michael Owen against Argentina.

When Paul Scholes set's up a goal with his hand it's forgotten, when Henry set's up a goal with his hand then "his reputation is forever tarnished and he will forever be known as 'the cheat'".

At least France feel guilty about the handball and the way they went though. They don't seem to have a national fantasy that they are above cheating and are paragons of Fair Play.

sherer 24-11-2009 11:49
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surely exaggerating contact to fall over is cheating too. What really annoys me these days is when you watch a replay and you have an ex-pro who knows full well the contact they are showing isn't enouhg to make anyone fall over says this must be a foul as there was contact.

If we brought in some sports scientists and looked at this professionally you would find out most of the contact isn't even enough to knock anyone over.

Why is football the only sport in the world where when you are playing and have the adrenalin flowing you aren't able to play through an injury ?

Damien 24-11-2009 12:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34914776)
surely exaggerating contact to fall over is cheating too. What really annoys me these days is when you watch a replay and you have an ex-pro who knows full well the contact they are showing isn't enouhg to make anyone fall over says this must be a foul as there was contact.

If we brought in some sports scientists and looked at this professionally you would find out most of the contact isn't even enough to knock anyone over.

Why is football the only sport in the world where when you are playing and have the adrenalin flowing you aren't able to play through an injury ?
Exaggerating contact and falling over is a tricky one. Where video replays cannot really help because how do you decide if enough contact was made? Also some contact may be enough to unfairly slow the attacker and in which case they may 'dive' is order to make it clear to the ref that his progress, and hence a goal scoring opportunity, was unfairly restricted by the defender.

punky 24-11-2009 12:20
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Henry isn't the only person to handle a ball and get away with it. He's also not being persecuted for being french either. He is being persecuted because it is blatant and it stopped underdogs from qualifing for the World Cup.

FIFA and UEFA just run their organisations like a shambles.

I really can't see why the 4th official can't watch the cameras. Every major descision which would need correcting would have a natural break in play anyway so it wouldn't interfere. It wouldn't turn into rugby or cricket.

NoKnowledge 24-11-2009 12:22
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When I played football, I had my genetals squeezed, kicked, had both my big toes broken, sliding tackled which brought me down and fractured my thumb and this happened everyttime except the broken bones part and we still remained friends after the match was over.

Our matches went on from 5pm til sometimes 10pm everyday and played 15-20 a side on the local school field.

Oh the good ol' days

Damien 24-11-2009 12:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34914803)
Henry isn't the only person to handle a ball and get away with it. He's also not being persecuted for being french either. He is being persecuted because it is blatant and it stopped underdogs from qualifing for the World Cup.
Because the Underdogs are Irish. If it were some France vs Finland I don't think it would have got the reaction it did. If it were England vs Finland and it was Rooney they it certainly wouldn't have been. Which is my point.

It was cheating, it was unfair, we do need video replays. The usual outrage and surprise at what happen and the subsequent lynching of Henry by the press is absurd though. As I mentioned before, they are similar incidents and they are not treated the same.

sherer 24-11-2009 12:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34914806)
When I played football, I had my genetals squeezed, kicked, had both my big toes broken, sliding tackled which brought me down and fractured my thumb and this happened everyttime except the broken bones part and we still remained friends after the match was over.

Our matches went on from 5pm til sometimes 10pm everyday and played 15-20 a side on the local school field.

Oh the good ol' days
this is the problem when everyone used to play you got kicked and just played on. Shin pads are now made of carbon fibre so i'm sure you can't feel much either.

Everyone knows they players aren't injured but the refs, rule makers , commentators and pundits are all in on the big con.

The other day a keeper went in to get the ball with a attacker, they came together the ball was loose the keeper got up and sprinted for the ball and got in then he was "injured" and the game had to be stopped. How on earth can anyone believe that

Pog66 24-11-2009 12:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34914458)
Think of all the countries that wouldn't want to play with a team that contained Britons because of the screwed up stuff 'we' have done in the past?
That would clear out most premiership teams then - not many nations us Brits (or maybe us English) haven't upset at some stage or other :)

SB_07 24-11-2009 19:09
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Quote:
Sky Sports News understands Portsmouth manager Paul Hart has left the club with immediate effect.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...716408,00.html

No doubt Avram Grant will replace him.

Damien 24-11-2009 22:15
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Do not know what the ref is up too in the Arsenal game. A probable penalty for Arsenal denied, a stonewall of a pen one for Liege denied, odd fouls going unpunished, some non-fouls being punished.

Russ 24-11-2009 22:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34915128)
Do not know what the ref is up too in the Arsenal game. A probable penalty for Arsenal denied, a stonewall of a pen one for Liege denied, odd fouls going unpunished, some non-fouls being punished.
Let's concentrate on more important issues - Liverpool are on their way out of yet another competition :D

Damien 24-11-2009 22:38
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What was Fabagas booked for there?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34915129)
Let's concentrate on more important issues - Liverpool are on their way out of yet another competition :D
I am hoping Lyon will get a last minute goal!

(and that Debrecen get one too :D)

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Lyon do look good for a goal...

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How much will Liverpool be disliking Frey right now :D

Liverpool go out of the Champions League at the group stage! Wow. They can't say Lyon didn't try....

SB_07 24-11-2009 22:39
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lolpool.

Damien 24-11-2009 22:42
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Did Gerrard just hint he might leave if Liverpool fail to make Europe next season?

SB_07 25-11-2009 00:04
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:(

Quote:
Arsenal have been hit by the news that Kieran Gibbs has suffered a broken metatarsal in his left foot.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...717403,00.html

Shadow Demon UK 25-11-2009 15:01
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http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/

:)

Russ 25-11-2009 15:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34915467)
:rofl:

If nothing else those Scousers have got a sense of humour :D

Damien 25-11-2009 15:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34915469)
:rofl:

If nothing else those Scousers have got a sense of humour :D
Think it might be non-Scousers who made the site ;)

Quote:
* yes, you've guessed it, there isn't actually a Liverpool End of Season party (although we think there should be! Maybe it could double up as a farewell party to the Fat Spanish Waiter as Liverpool crash out of competition after competition.?!) We're also not in any way connected to Liverpool Football Club, any of the players, but you should have guessed that too! We think it's hilarious to wave the wristbands in the faces of any Scousers you happen to know, and congratulate them on their record-breaking season! To think that some pundits were claiming that this could be their year...!

Russ 25-11-2009 15:19
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I guessed that ;) :D

SB_07 25-11-2009 23:54
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So Man Utd lose their impressive home record with a poor performance.

yesman 26-11-2009 00:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34915749)
So Man Utd lose their impressive home record with a poor performance.
It wasn't that poor really considering the side put out.

Those young players will gain experience from that outing, which bodes well for the future...........

Quote:
Sir Alex Ferguson - with qualification for the last 16 already assured - fielded an experimental line-up and gave some of Manchester United's young brigade a chance to shine on the big European stage.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/8372974.stm

Kymmy 26-11-2009 13:04
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Avram's back

Quote:
Former Chelsea boss Avram Grant has been appointed Portsmouth manager following the departure of Paul Hart
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...th/8378603.stm

NoKnowledge 26-11-2009 13:20
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Oh dear.......Oh dear, oh dear

Matty_ 26-11-2009 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34915941)
Didn`t see that one coming! :p:

I think Hart was just very unlucky, Portsmouth have been playing some decent footie.

TheDaddy 28-11-2009 07:27
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I see Gary Neville been running his mouth of again, perhaps if he ran as much in training he wouldn't be stuck in the reserves...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...&ATTR=Football

SB_07 28-11-2009 19:00
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V.Persie pretty much out for the season, gutting =(

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...727666,00.html

TheDaddy 29-11-2009 16:59
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The billionaire owners of Manchester City are to rock ailing Liverpool by launching an audacious £50m bid for star striker Fernando Torres. Full story: Mail on Sunday

I'd sell him, it'd take more than £50m though, more like £90m which could totally revamp the team + they wouldn't have Rafa spending it as he said he'd resign if Torres left and tbh it's the only way I can see Liverpool getting rid of him.

Hmm home to Arsenal in the 3rd round....

Shadow Demon UK 29-11-2009 17:14
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United v Leeds (or Kettering)

Cannot wait! :D

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Here's the draw in full

Tottenham v Peterborough United
Brentford v Doncaster Rovers
Middlesbrough v Manchester City
Stoke City v York City
Notts County v Forest Green Rovers
Huddersfield Town v West Bromwich Albion
Sheffield United v QPR
MK Dons v Burnley
Chelsea v Watford
Nottingham Forest v Birmingham City
Preston North End v Colchester United
West Ham United v Arsenal
Aston Villa v Blackburn Rovers
Portsmouth v Coventry City
Sunderland v Oxford United or Barrow
Wigan Athletic v Hull City
Everton v Carlisle United
Sheffield Wednesday v Crystal Palace
Tranmere Rovers or Aldershot Town v Wolves
Blackpool v Ipswich Town
Fulham v Swindon Town
Stockport County or Torquay v Brighton
Scunthorpe United v Barnsley
Southampton v Rotherham United or Luton Town
Bristol City v Cardiff City
Reading v Liverpool
Staines Town or Millwall v Derby County
Plymouth Argyle v Newcastle United
Leicester City v Swansea City
Bolton Wanderers v Lincoln City
Accrington Stanley or Barnet v Gillingham
Manchester United v Kettering Town or Leeds United

SB_07 30-11-2009 02:33
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Nice little game here;

Can you name the top 200 Premier League goalscorers?

You get a 20min timer.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/peanut4/200_premier_goals

I managed to get 80. It's amazing how many you forget.

Shadow Demon UK 30-11-2009 16:57
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Quote:
Well, fancy that. It turns out Sir Alex Ferguson does know a bit about football after all.

It was Ferguson who initially reckoned Carlos Tevez was not a goal-scorer worth upwards of £30million; Ferguson whose selections indicated he thought a club with ambition to win the title needed a striker of greater potency; Ferguson who frequently preferred Tevez as a substitute; Ferguson who suffered plenty of lip from Manchester United supporters mistaking Tevez’s perspiration for inspiration.

Not a bad judge, though, was he? Not now potentially the most expensive signing in British transfer history — with a fee ranging from £32m to £47m, depending whose figures you believe — has reached the month of December having scored for Manchester City against a single Premier League team.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...#ixzz0YMIq6JJZ

I know they have endless amounts of money, but if £47m is true he has to be one of the most overpriced players in the history of the game.

sherer 30-11-2009 17:25
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read that Ibrahimovich was 60m for Barca and although a decent player don't think he is worth that match. Not got Sky any more so not seen him play for Barca yet.

Poborsky was overated too plus Nani and plenty of other rubbish we have signed. Berba doesn't have a great record for his price tag either

Shadow Demon UK 30-11-2009 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34918402)
read that Ibrahimovich was 60m for Barca and although a decent player don't think he is worth that match. Not got Sky any more so not seen him play for Barca yet.

Poborsky was overated too plus Nani and plenty of other rubbish we have signed. Berba doesn't have a great record for his price tag either
Ibrahimovic was and still is a quality player, he's scored 8 goals in 10 games for Barca and scored another great goal against Madrid last night. He's nowhere near as overpriced as Tevez was.

I'm talking about him being overpriced, not overrated.

SB_07 30-11-2009 22:41
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Quote:
Fifa will decide on Wednesday how to punish Thierry Henry over his controversial handball against the Republic of Ireland as part of a wide-ranging disciplinary crackdown that could include the introduction of five match officials at next year's World Cup.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...atter-handball

Turkey Machine 30-11-2009 23:39
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Nothing short of a lifetime ban for the dirty cheating bas......

Oh wait, FIFA deciding. Some meaningless fine and possibly a suspended ban.

Damien 30-11-2009 23:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34918702)
Nothing short of a lifetime ban for the dirty cheating bas......

Oh wait, FIFA deciding. Some meaningless fine and possibly a suspended ban.
Yes Lifetime ban isn't overreacting is it :rolleyes: Ireland have been milking this. They asked for an extra place at the World Cup Finals!! Crazy talk.

punky 01-12-2009 00:21
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Come on, even I think a ban is extreme. For he ref maybe, but not Henry.

arcamalpha2004 01-12-2009 12:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34918751)
Come on, even I think a ban is extreme. For he ref maybe, but not Henry.

Got to agree Punky, maybe a ban for the ref, but then did he see it?
If we want to start handing out lifetime bans on players using parts of their body to influence a game it is too late.
The list of " guilty " players is endless, Roy Caroll for example, blatantly scooped the ball out of the net for a perfectly good goal.
One thing they can do though is bring in video technology, literally seconds it would take to take the decision out of the refs hands, which in fairness sometimes are tied.

punky 01-12-2009 15:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34918951)
maybe a ban for the ref, but then did he see it?
My argument is that he has to. If he didn't see it then his positioning isn't good enough to be a ref. I know that's harsh for humans who can make mistakes but the stakes we are talking about are immense.

We need video. Every game-changing even is proceeded with a break in play so it won't turn out like rugby or cricket. I can't understand why FIFA and UEFA are so resistant to it.

If Henry was banned for this, we would start seeing a lot more ball-to-hands happening. It wasn't overtly deliberate, although ethically he should have informed the ref, and would have been decent of him if he did. Unstandably he didn't but he is under no technical impetus to do. I can't see why he would need to be punished.

Damien 01-12-2009 15:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34919005)
My argument is that he has to. If he didn't see it then his positioning isn't good enough to be a ref. I know that's harsh for humans who can make mistakes but the stakes we are talking about are immense..
The fact is though that when that amount of bodies pile into the box, a quick motion like that will be very easily missed. We saw it from one of the many cameras and in slow montion. Stand 6/8 yard backs, chuck bodies in the way, and then it happens so quickly then I doubt anyone would have seen it. The goal line assistants would also have trouble if they were on the wrong side of the goal! Which is why.....

Quote:
We need video. Every game-changing even is proceeded with a break in play so it won't turn out like rugby or cricket. I can't understand why FIFA and UEFA are so resistant to it.
Yup.

Pog66 01-12-2009 16:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34919005)
My argument is that he has to. If he didn't see it then his positioning isn't good enough to be a ref.
The Sunday Times (or one of the paper's I saw) had a diagram showing posutioning of officials & players when Henry handled and the views of the officials were all to varying degrees obstructed - would seem harsh to judge the referee when players are obvously moving all the time

TheDaddy 01-12-2009 17:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34919005)
My argument is that he has to. If he didn't see it then his positioning isn't good enough to be a ref. I know that's harsh for humans who can make mistakes but the stakes we are talking about are immense.

We need video. Every game-changing even is proceeded with a break in play so it won't turn out like rugby or cricket. I can't understand why FIFA and UEFA are so resistant to it.

If Henry was banned for this, we would start seeing a lot more ball-to-hands happening. It wasn't overtly deliberate, although ethically he should have informed the ref, and would have been decent of him if he did. Unstandably he didn't but he is under no technical impetus to do. I can't see why he would need to be punished.
I don't think we need video, what we need is for footballers to be accountable for their actions, Henry should be banned and miss the World Cup, guarantee you wouldn't see a repeat of that incident if players were properly punished, same with diving.

Saaf_laandon_mo 01-12-2009 17:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34919080)
I don't think we need video, what we need is for footballers to be accountable for their actions, Henry should be banned and miss the World Cup, guarantee you wouldn't see a repeat of that incident if players were properly punished, same with diving.
I agree. Henry knew he handled the ball at the time he did it. There is also conclusive proof he used his hand to control the ball. He even admitted he handled it after but it was "up to the referee" to penalise him. He shouldnt be allowed to play in the World Cup. Ban a cheat for the next 3 games in the competition that he's cheated in, and there'd be a lot less of it happening.

Niles Crane 01-12-2009 19:36
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Why exactly should Henry be made the example out of? If Trinidad and Tobago bitch and whine enough, can they get Peter Crouch banned too?

If footballers are to be accountable for their actions, the consequences of their actions must be known beforehand. If Henry is to be retrospectively punished, his punishment should be exactly the same as if the referee had spotted the handball during the match.

Mal 01-12-2009 23:20
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Does anyone know why Darron Gibson was being booed for the utd v spurs match tonight? :confused:

Nugget 01-12-2009 23:47
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As much as we're going to get either Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal or Man City in the semis, it might be worth a sneaky fiver on Villa for the League Cup - fingers crossed, we'll come up against a bunch of kids in the semis ;)

dev 02-12-2009 00:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34919366)
Does anyone know why Darron Gibson was being booed for the utd v spurs match tonight? :confused:
They were shouting "shoot" not booing :p:

Shadow Demon UK 02-12-2009 06:19
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It reminds me of when people thought we were booing Van Nistelrooy when he scored, when we were actually shouting Ruuuuud :D

sir_drinks_alot 02-12-2009 11:00
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england seeded along with Spain and Brazil,Argentina, Germany, Netherlands, holders Italy and hosts South Africa make for SA 2010

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8390084.stm

Mal 02-12-2009 17:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dev (Post 34919441)
They were shouting "shoot" not booing :p:
No, there was booing...

SB_07 02-12-2009 17:33
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot (Post 34919520)
england seeded along with Spain and Brazil,Argentina, Germany, Netherlands, holders Italy and hosts South Africa make for SA 2010

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8390084.stm
Francelol.

Damien 02-12-2009 17:41
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Not so Funny though. Would rather than them seeded, and thus we won't draw them on Friday. If they fire their manager and get someone good in then they are a good, dangerous team.

danielf 02-12-2009 17:46
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34919751)
Not so Funny though. Would rather than them seeded, and thus we won't draw them on Friday. If they fire their manager and get someone good in then they are a good, dangerous team.
Yeah, but France are replaced by Holland, who are #3 in the FIFA rankings (France are 7) and qualified without dropping a single point. Under the previous system (based more heavily on past World Cup results), Holland would not have been seeded as they didn't make it to the 2002 WC. Who would you rather face: France or Holland (remember how Holland demolished both Italy and France at the European Cup)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxliFuzw4Fk

SB_07 02-12-2009 19:43
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Quote:
Oscar winning actress Charlize Theron had some fun at FIFA's expense during a trial run for Friday's World Cup draw when she 'drew' Ireland.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/021220...world-cup.html

:D

Kymmy 02-12-2009 22:58
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
City v United drawn in the League cup Semis :D

Russ 02-12-2009 23:08
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
I reckon City will take it. United are unlikely to field a strong side while City will be up for any kind of silverware they can get their hands on.

Damien 02-12-2009 23:23
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34920091)
I reckon City will take it. United are unlikely to field a strong side while City will be up for any kind of silverware they can get their hands on.
I reakon the same, although it's worth noting City are not in Europe. If either United or Arsenal didn't have the Champions League they might field stronger teams (although Wenger seems pretty insistent on using it to test his youngsters in 'real' games).

Still. United will use a weaker team again, I reckon City vs Villa Final.

Russ 02-12-2009 23:41
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34920106)
Still. United will use a weaker team again, I reckon City vs Villa Final.
I think that's feasible, although I won't complain if United take the cup :D

And good to see Wenger still aiming for the 5 year point since the last trophy :D

punky 03-12-2009 10:44
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
What's going on with Ancelloti's left brow?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8392194.stm

Damien 03-12-2009 11:01
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34920128)
I think that's feasible, although I won't complain if United take the cup :D

And good to see Wenger still aiming for the 5 year point since the last trophy :D
The Carling Cup won't deflect the criticism he will get if he finishes with out a trophy at the end of this season. If he played his first team he would have been accused of desperation anyway, might as well keep to the tradition he keeps too in this Cup.

The press have been complaining about Arsenal again but this result was expected and fair. It's not a crisis for our 2nd string team to lose to the Man City first team. Other results have been unlucky but they were away to Sunderland (who almost won at United and beat Liverpool) and Chelsea (who are going to win the league) and it's not as if we were shown up in the Chelsea game in manor we were last season against United.

We're still having a good season. Especially considering everyone had written us off at the start of the season as no longer top 4 side (which was a stupid statement from Journalists who seem not to know anything about football).

punky 03-12-2009 11:11
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Arsenal don't want to win the Carling Cup, a good contingent of their fans think its beneath them. There's a thread on Arsenal Mania about it.

Despite 7 top-4 finalists in the last 5 years they think its something for no-hopers not a 'respectable' top-4 team.

Kymmy 03-12-2009 11:16
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
And if the team started playing the way the fans think then they might as well give up all together ...

Mind you all fans forums are ever so good at football managment that I'm suprised that all the premiership doesn't sack thier entire coaching/managment staff and let the forum's take over :D ;)

Damien 03-12-2009 11:17
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34920270)
Arsenal don't want to win the Carling Cup, a good contingent of their fans think its beneath them. There's a thread on Arsenal Mania about it.

Despite 7 top-4 finalists in the last 5 years they think its something for no-hopers not a 'respectable' top-4 team.
I don't mind winning it but I don't especially care. If we won a cup with our youth team then it would be awesome, but for our first team my wishes are:

Champions League
Premiership
FA Cup
Carling Cup.

I would rather get to the Semis of the Champions League, Finish 2 in the normal league more than I would winning the Carling Cup. Every team who plays in the Champions League doesn't play their strongest team for the Carling Cup do they? Ensuring a top 4 finish is more important than the Carling Cup.

Spurs, or at least Redknapp, said pretty much the same thing.

sherer 03-12-2009 11:28
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34920274)
And if the team started playing the way the fans think then they might as well give up all together ...

Mind you all fans forums are ever so good at football managment that I'm suprised that all the premiership doesn't sack thier entire coaching/managment staff and let the forum's take over :D ;)
well there is the myfootballclub website that runs Ebbsfleet who are bottom of the league at the moment :D

Shadow Demon UK 03-12-2009 11:37
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34920275)
I would rather get to the Semis of the Champions League, Finish 2 in the normal league more than I would winning the Carling Cup. Every team who plays in the Champions League doesn't play their strongest team for the Carling Cup do they? Ensuring a top 4 finish is more important than the Carling Cup.

Spurs, or at least Redknapp, said pretty much the same thing.

All the clubs you have mentioned (United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs) have all won at least one trophy in the last 5 years though ;)

Wenger seemed to be pretty annoyed about being knocked out and he didn't hide it very well as usual - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...up/8392135.stm

Damien 03-12-2009 11:41
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34920280)
All the clubs you have mentioned (United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs) have all won at least one trophy in the last 5 years though ;)

Wenger seemed to be pretty annoyed about being knocked out and he didn't hide it very well as usual - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...up/8392135.stm
He knew he was very likely we would be knocked out. I think he just hates Mark Hughes.

As for the 5 year thing, the Carling Cup is not silverware which will ease that pain.

punky 03-12-2009 11:53
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34920280)
All the clubs you have mentioned (United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs) have all won at least one trophy in the last 5 years though ;)

Wenger seemed to be pretty annoyed about being knocked out and he didn't hide it very well as usual - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...up/8392135.stm
He certainly looked like he was up past his bed time.

Or maybe Wenger didn't see him :D

TheDaddy 03-12-2009 16:33
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34920270)
Arsenal don't want to win the Carling Cup, a good contingent of their fans think its beneath them. There's a thread on Arsenal Mania about it.

Despite 7 top-4 finalists in the last 5 years they think its something for no-hopers not a 'respectable' top-4 team.
Devalued sadly like the Europa league or what ever they call it, I liked the old UEFA cup and Cup Winners cup competitions, well worth winning.

SB_07 03-12-2009 17:56
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Good on Man City's full team for beating our Kids!

\also beat our full team earlier in the season

Looks like we're signing yet another kid in January too, there's a story on sky sports about some 17 year old Brazilian called Zezinho.

Kymmy 03-12-2009 18:01
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34920477)
Good on Man City's full team for beating our Kids!
So because the arsenal manager doesn't think that the league cup is worth while and fielded a 'B' team it's now Man City's fault?? Well it doesn't quite match as to how peeved off he was when he stormed off down the tunnel after 9- minutes :rolleyes:

SB_07 03-12-2009 18:11
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34920480)
So because the arsenal manager doesn't think that the league cup is worth while and fielded a 'B' team it's now Man City's fault?? Well it doesn't quite match as to how peeved off he was when he stormed off down the tunnel after 9- minutes :rolleyes:
I didn't say it was Man City's fault? I just don't think it's surprising for Man City's full team to beat our kids and tbh it wasn't exactly a hard game for them either.

And i think the whole not shaking Hughes' hand thing has been blown up, fair enough it's a sign of respect to do so but Mark Hughes was standing out of his technical area at one point f'ing and blindin' at Wenger. I'll admit Wenger is never very gracious in defeat but Mark Hughes is a bit of an arrogant so and so.

---------- Post added at 17:11 ---------- Previous post was at 17:07 ----------

'Miss of the century'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYOA4BXIqk

Kymmy 03-12-2009 19:11
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How do you know he was
Quote:
f'ing and blindin'
at Wenger??

:rolleyes:

I just love the way people put thier own views on the actions of managers and players...


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Damien 03-12-2009 20:17
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Look. Man City deserved to win and ultimately the decision on if to play a strong team was Wenger responsibility. Hughes had no cause nor expectation to play a weak team. So no one can take anything away from them.

It is worth noting that Arsenal did not play the first team though. Sport reporters are talking about a crisis developing, 3 games without a win, Man City showing they are stronger than Arsenal etc etc. Which is what is not fair. The game was not a good indication of Arsenal or Man City in the long run. People should look at it probably instead of pull the god dam dramatics again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...th/8394092.stm

Quote:
Portsmouth have confirmed some of their players have not received their November salaries, the second time this season they have not been paid on time.

LOL! Why oh Why did Grant take over this doomed team?

SB_07 03-12-2009 20:33
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34920532)
How do you know he was at Wenger??

:rolleyes:

I just love the way people put thier own views on the actions of managers and players...


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Uh because they showed it on sky sports news last night?

Niles Crane 03-12-2009 23:34
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
More love between Egypt and Algeria.

Quote:
Cairo, 1 Dec. (AKI) - An Egyptian village called al-Jaza'ir, which means Algeria in Arabic, has decided to change its name after recent clashes between the two countries in an elimination match for the 2010 World Cup in November.

Egypt was eliminated from advancing to the 2010 World Cup in South Africa after Algeria's win in the Sudanese capital Khartoum.

Residents of the village located in the Wadi al-Jadid district, in southwest Egypt, have asked local authorities to rename the village Mubarak al-misriyin in honour of the Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak. The name means 'Mubarak for Egyptians'.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English...3.0.4058772925

Shadow Demon UK 05-12-2009 17:59
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Watch out Liverpool, Birmingham are catching you up :)

I see Gerrard took another dive today :rolleyes:

SB_07 05-12-2009 18:13
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34921628)
Watch out Liverpool, Birmingham are catching you up :)

I see Gerrard took another dive today :rolleyes:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/12/42.gif

Damien 05-12-2009 19:13
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Thank god Arsenal won and Liverpool drew. Now we can have a week of Liverpool are over headlines rather than Arsenal are over headlines. Kind of tired of the lazy analysis from Sports Writers every time a big team doesn't win.

Russ 05-12-2009 19:35
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
The 4-nil result demonstrated the vast difference in class between United and West Ham. Good result :tu:

Damien 05-12-2009 19:51
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34921670)
The 4-nil result demonstrated the vast difference in class between United and West Ham. Good result :tu:
Were people doubting the different between United and West Ham? :erm::p:

Russ 05-12-2009 20:14
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Don't think so - but a 4 nil win away from home will always be welcome :D

---------- Post added at 20:14 ---------- Previous post was at 20:11 ----------

Anyway, could Manchester's 2nd team be about to do us a favour?!

Shadow Demon UK 05-12-2009 20:37
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
I thought City played really well, it was a great game to watch. It's not often Lampard doesn't score a penalty...

Russ 05-12-2009 20:59
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Didn't expect City to take it but good on them - we're 2 points behind the top spot now :D

Kymmy 05-12-2009 23:10
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Yes Russ you can never say that City don;t do thier neighbours a favour every now and then :p:

Matty_ 05-12-2009 23:47
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Great result for City, really thought a draw was the best we could hope for. Thought it was a pretty entertaining game in which Chelsea started showing there true colours, i.e. petulance and arrogance when things didn`t go there way.
City`s midfield really seemed to have a good grip on the game and Chelsea didn`t look that threatening for most of the match. Just in the period before Lampard missed the penalty did things on the pitch seem to start going a bit Pete Tong, but i suppose most teams which had to change both full backs would take a bit of time to adjust.
De Jong had an excellant game disrupting the Chelsea attacks and even Robinho did his fair share of getting back, sometimes causing a few heart stoppers but mostly ok (wondering if the fact it was Chelsea had anything to do with that?)

Glad we did the other half a favour, hopefully later on in the season when were after that Champions League spot the can return it ;)

All in all a good day for the Manchester clubs...

TheDaddy 06-12-2009 07:39
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34921670)
The 4-nil result demonstrated the vast difference in class between United and West Ham. Good result :tu:
I'd say both teams are quite similar actually, both clubs have to many players not fit to wear each clubs respective shirts and both may well end the season winning nothing because of it, difference is though it'll only come as a shock to one set of fans.

Russ 06-12-2009 09:47
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
One team has plenty of either current or respected former internationals. The other isn't. One is 2 points from the top of the league, the other is hovering around the relegation zone. But yes as you say, quite similar.

TheDaddy 06-12-2009 11:13
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34921923)
One team has plenty of either current or respected former internationals. The other isn't. One is 2 points from the top of the league, the other is hovering around the relegation zone. But yes as you say, quite similar.
We'll have to wait until the end of the season, this United team remind me very much of the Liverpool team at the end of the '80's, stale, with plenty of players past it and plenty more not up to it. Oh and FYI the Hammers have 16 current internationals in their squad, is that plenty enough for you?

Russ 06-12-2009 11:28
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Yep, good luck battling relegation.

TheDaddy 06-12-2009 12:06
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34921956)
Yep, good luck battling relegation.
It'll be hard, not expecting to much activity come January either but then I wouldn't get your hopes up either...

Bayern Munich believe United face a financial crisis and have no money to spend, having offered them Franck Ribery for £60m in the summer and heard nothing back.
Full story: Mail on Sunday

gazzae 06-12-2009 12:20
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34921967)
It'll be hard, not expecting to much activity come January either but then I wouldn't get your hopes up either...

Bayern Munich believe United face a financial crisis and have no money to spend, having offered them Franck Ribery for £60m in the summer and heard nothing back.
Full story: Mail on Sunday
It's even worse than that, I offered Utd myself for £3.50 and a packet of fun size mars bars. I heard nothing back also.


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