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Cobbydaler 10-09-2007 20:57
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Sky source now says a second full match has been found.

Quote:
"In the hire car, five weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, police found a partial match.
"That might be explained by transfer onto clothes.
"But the crucial thing is that police have also found a second full match.
"Police say that is the most damning evidence that has been returned by the tests.
"It shows, as far as they are concerned, the presence of Madeleine's body in the car five weeks after she disappeared."

mrmistoffelees 10-09-2007 21:04
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So from this therefore it would appear that the parent's explanation for the partial match (transferred) would appear to be untrue.

Arthurgray50@blu 10-09-2007 21:07
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If people read into stupid articles that have been printed by silly papers, that are only out there to cause problems, then let me say this, the donations that have been sent, is for financial support, so technically they can use it for legal matters, but as far as l am aware, they have not touch it for that matter, and in regards to what will happen, if she is found dead or alive, then the money will be donated to form an organisation to look for lost children, and l can honestly say, about time too, there are to many children and homeless people going missing each day.:)

smicer07 10-09-2007 21:18
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More and more evidence seems to be pointing to their involvement..

XFS03 10-09-2007 21:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34393706)
...in regards to what will happen, if she is found dead or alive, then the money will be donated to form an organisation to look for lost children, and l can honestly say, about time too, there are to many children and homeless people going missing each day.:)
That's not what it says on their website.

The fund was set up not only to help find Madeleine, but to help bring the abductor/s to court, and to provide support (including financial assistance) to Madeleines family.
Any 'surplus' may be used to set up a charity to help families in similar circumstances.

So there are 3 objectives. Finding Madeleine is only one of those.

It would be ironic if the McCanns were charged. They would use half the fund for a prosecution lawyer, and half the fund for a defence lawyer!

mrmistoffelees 10-09-2007 21:38
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Am I the only person who thinks that whilst the McCanns are under suspicion (rightly or wrongly) that any further donations should be returned and all access to the fund for whatever reasons frozen ?

XFS03 10-09-2007 21:39
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btw...does anyone know what they are comparing the DNA results with?
Where did they get a sample of Madeleine's DNA for comparison?

RizzyKing 10-09-2007 21:46
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I would have thought they got the sample the usual way hairbrush, toothbrush that sort of thing. Purely speculation but as they are doctors would they have known that after that amount of time the DNA would have degraded beyond the point of being conclusive???.

mrmistoffelees 10-09-2007 22:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34393734)
I would have thought they got the sample the usual way hairbrush, toothbrush that sort of thing. Purely speculation but as they are doctors would they have known that after that amount of time the DNA would have degraded beyond the point of being conclusive???.
Irrelevant really as the full match that has been recovered is from blood.


They could of course be innocent and at this moment in time they are but the evidence is starting to look more damning. They are going to need one hell of an explanation.


The press part of this is very very disturbing it's almost a socio-class type thing.

The McCanns are an afluent family or appear to be, both hold respected jobs. Upper middle class etc.

Now, who thinks the presses response would have been the same if it had been a single mother from a inner city run down council estate that this had happened to ?

Because I don't

JohnHorb 10-09-2007 22:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34393754)
The press part of this is very very disturbing it's almost a socio-class type thing.

The McCanns are an afluent family or appear to be, both hold respected jobs. Upper middle class etc.

Now, who thinks the presses response would have been the same if it had been a single mother from a inner city run down council estate that this had happened to ?

Because I don't
...or a 'celebrity'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6986155.stm

Hugh 10-09-2007 22:50
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Interesting (imho) point from the bottom of a BBC news item DNA
"Allan Scott, a lecturer at the University of Central Lancashire's School of Forensic and Investigative Sciences, said cross-contamination needed to be considered.
He said "secondary transfer" of Madeleine's DNA may have occurred and that DNA is "so sensitive" that if two people met in the street and shook hands and then one committed a crime, they could possibly leave the other person's DNA at the scene."

mrmistoffelees 10-09-2007 22:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34393805)
Interesting (imho) point from the bottom of a BBC news item DNA
"Allan Scott, a lecturer at the University of Central Lancashire's School of Forensic and Investigative Sciences, said cross-contamination needed to be considered.
He said "secondary transfer" of Madeleine's DNA may have occurred and that DNA is "so sensitive" that if two people met in the street and shook hands and then one committed a crime, they could possibly leave the other person's DNA at the scene."
The full match completely renders the above comments irrelevant, The fact is that Madeliene has been in that car be it alive or dead if the reports tonight are correct

Hugh 10-09-2007 23:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34393810)
The full match completely renders the above comments irrelevant, The Madeliene has been in that car be it alive or dead if the reports tonight are correct
Which, as I said earlier, was contradicted in yesterday's Observer - the issue/problem is that none of these statements are official, they are all just leaks, and should, imho, all be treated with a large pinch of salt.

mrmistoffelees 10-09-2007 23:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34393813)
Which, as I said earlier, was contradicted in yesterday's Observer - the issue/problem is that none of these statements are official, they are all just leaks, and should, imho, all be treated with a large pinch of salt.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283359,00.html

It would appear that this statment is from the portugese police, who i thought were not allowed to comment on matters such :erm:

jamiefrost 10-09-2007 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34393810)
The full match completely renders the above comments irrelevant, The fact is that Madeliene has been in that car be it alive or dead if the reports tonight are correct
Not sure I follow that, they have a full match to her DNA but this does not say one way or another how the DNA got there. I don't really know but would a secondary transfer not give a full match as well?

Personally I don't know either way if they were involved in any way, most of the stuff in the media seams to be speculation.

On the other hand I do think that they should of been charged with leaving the kids alone. I have two kids, you make sacrifices which includes not going out for a meal and leaving the kids behind. If one of the kids had had an accident in the own home and died because there was nobody around as they were down the pub I'm pretty sure they would of been charged.

JJ

mrmistoffelees 10-09-2007 23:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiefrost (Post 34393825)
Not sure I follow that, they have a full match to her DNA but this does not say one way or another how the DNA got there. I don't really know but would a secondary transfer not give a full match as well?

Personally I don't know either way if they were involved in any way, most of the stuff in the media seams to be speculation.

On the other hand I do think that they should of been charged with leaving the kids alone. I have two kids, you make sacrifices which includes not going out for a meal and leaving the kids behind. If one of the kids had had an accident in the own home and died because there was nobody around as they were down the pub I'm pretty sure they would of been charged.

JJ

To my knowledge a secondary transfer would not provide a full match. There however will be other factors in this as well such as blood pattern analysis as is stated in the article on the SKY news website

smicer07 10-09-2007 23:56
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Dunno if it's been mentioned, but the full profile was found in the boot of the car... even more dodgy if you ask me.

Orior 10-09-2007 23:57
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So assuming that the McCanns did accidently kill Madeline, does anyone seriously believe:
1) They would concoct such a story and orchestrate the whole thing?
2) They would hide/bury the body of their daughter?
3) They are so insensitive that they would not grieve?

Ok, doctors deal with death more often that the rest of us, but their own daughter?

I remain unconvinced that any parent could do such a thing even if it was to protect him/her/siblings.

smicer07 10-09-2007 23:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Orior (Post 34393853)
So assuming that the McCanns did accidently kill Madeline, does anyone seriously believe:
1) They would concoct such a story and orchestrate the whole thing?
2) They would hide/bury the body of their daughter?
3) They are so insensitive that they would not grieve?

Ok, doctors deal with death more often that the rest of us, but their own daughter?

I remain unconvinced that any parent could do such a thing even if it was to protect him/her/siblings.
Sadly there are many nutters in this world who would do exactly that.

Arthurgray50@blu 11-09-2007 00:01
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After reading more and more comments, who think that the McCanns, could be lying, as the evidence is going more against them, l am have never lost my rag over items such as this, but l look more and more of the facts, more than anything, DNA is 99.9% accurate, and the foresnic experts have clearly stated FACTS, that people keep fogetting about, in the apartment, they have found blood stains, which the police are going on, these are NO LONGER viable, as they have been contaminated, and CANNOT be used, the DNA on the doll, for example, has been carried by Kate, ever since, BUT this doll was Maddies, blood samples found in the car, could have come from LUGGAGE,. l believe it is all whitewash as the police do not have enough evidence to convict, and in London main evening newspapers, The McCanns have hired TOP London lawyers, with Continental law specialist experience who will rip the evidence the police have to pieces, l have a strong belief, that IF people, read into the infor from the begining of this sad story, there is more to this story than meets the eye, you forget, WHO was the stranger (Male) who was seen by a close friend of the family, carrying Maddie, away from the apartment, before she realised what was happening, she was gone, you have to feel for this woman, please remember LOOK at the facts first.

peanut 11-09-2007 00:11
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Well, just imagine that they did, they couldn't risk getting found out that they did something stupid like sedating them so they can go out for a meal, and then suppose something tragic happened. They couldn't call the emergency services, how would it look if it got found out they sedated their own kids, and one died because of it. They'd lose the other 2 for sure, be struck off, prison etc, their lives would be over. Or.............................

Who knows.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34393857)
WHO was the stranger (Male) who was seen by a close friend of the family, carrying Maddie, away from the apartment, before she realised what was happening, she was gone, you have to feel for this woman, please remember LOOK at the facts first.
Fact you say, can you show us the evidence that it was maddie carried away? :rolleyes:

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-09-2007 00:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34393858)
Well, just imagine that they did, they couldn't risk getting found out that they did something stupid like sedating them so they can go out for a meal, and then suppose something tragic happened. They couldn't call the emergency services, how would it look if it got found out they sedated their own kids, and one died because of it. They'd lose the other 2 for sure, be struck off, prison etc, their lives would be over. Or.............................

Who knows.

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Fact you say, can you show us the evidence that it was maddie carried away? :rolleyes:
I think the above sceanario is very likely. As for the man carrying the body away, maybe they discovered her dead in a previous check, and that could have been a friend or even Mr Mcgann carrying the body away before they reported her missing.

Damien 11-09-2007 00:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34393857)
After reading more and more comments, who think that the McCanns, could be lying, as the evidence is going more against them, l am have never lost my rag over items such as this, but l look more and more of the facts, more than anything, DNA is 99.9% accurate, and the foresnic experts have clearly stated FACTS, that people keep fogetting about, in the apartment, they have found blood stains, which the police are going on, these are NO LONGER viable, as they have been contaminated, and CANNOT be used, the DNA on the doll, for example, has been carried by Kate, ever since, BUT this doll was Maddies, blood samples found in the car, could have come from LUGGAGE,. l believe it is all whitewash as the police do not have enough evidence to convict, and in London main evening newspapers, The McCanns have hired TOP London lawyers, with Continental law specialist experience who will rip the evidence the police have to pieces, l have a strong belief, that IF people, read into the infor from the begining of this sad story, there is more to this story than meets the eye, you forget, WHO was the stranger (Male) who was seen by a close friend of the family, carrying Maddie, away from the apartment, before she realised what was happening, she was gone, you have to feel for this woman, please remember LOOK at the facts first.
Ok I am not sure if they are gulity or not. But no need to get so angry

1) The woman did not see 'maddie', she saw a guy carrying a child. Could have been his own, she could be lying.

2) The DNA Evidence they are going on was found in the car and was ' a full match' I am not a DNA expert but it seems likely that this was not transfered or partial DNA. Whats more, we have all the evidence supporting the McCanns because they have been telling everyone. But the police seem to be keeping some stuff under wraps.

3) Considering all of our information from this case is filtered by newspapers, I am not sure how you can claim to be in position of the facts. All information is filtered or made up by the press, spun by the McCanns, or leaked by the police.

What we do know is: She went missing, one guy was considered a suspect but now he has dropped from the scene, the police made the McCanns suspects and seem to be pursuing that angle of inquiry.

We do not know all the reasons behind that, nor what they said to the McCanns or what evidence they have. We do not why the police have focused on Kate McCann more than the husband nor why they think that she was killed by accident.

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-09-2007 00:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34393692)
That would be the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham if I remember rightly

Dont suppose there is an online link to this article ?
It was in this evenings London Paper or London Lite, and yes its the same people you quote above.

There was a mention that a lot of the people talking about "transfer contamination" did not understand the science of DNA enough to make such comments.

The gist was that they were annnoyed at being painted us not knowing what they were doing in terms of the forensics.

What a lot of people are suggesting is that the police are fitting up the McGanns, when they seem to forget that the DNA results are those produced by 'our' own UK bodies. What reason would they have to fabricate evidence?

TheDaddy 11-09-2007 00:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34393868)
and that could have been a friend or even Mr Mcgann carrying the body away before they reported her missing.
Didn't he disappear for 25 mins on the night?

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-09-2007 00:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34393871)
Didn't he disappear for 25 mins on the night?
A lot of people think they could not have done it based on the fact that they are the parents. It is hard to comprehend that parents could be responsible for something like this and people prefer to use sentiment and emotion to distance themselves from such conclusion.

It does look like they have had more involvement than they have said so far.

slug 11-09-2007 00:40
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A few people are posting here that they find it hard to believe the train of events that are being suggested led to Madeline possible death.

Well would you have believed the train of events that lead to Jamie Bulger's death (Two school boys abduct and murder a child. No way)or the Soham murders (The school caretaker, helped by his wife to cover it up. No one could be that evil.) or Harold Shipman (A GP killing god knows how many people.) Fred West..... I could go on.

I am not comparing the McCanns to these people.

What I am saying is bad things happen in this world.

Mick 11-09-2007 00:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34393871)
Didn't he disappear for 25 mins on the night?
It takes that long to get served with a kebab sometimes !!!

Pia 11-09-2007 00:47
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The 81 year old woman in the apartment above apparently heard Maddie crying for 75 mins on the nights they went to dinner shouting for her Daddy. It's heartbreaking :(

This woman also said that she had been broken into a few times and someone else came forward and said they'd also been broken into in the same apartments, bringing the possibility that she could have interupted someone and they took her instead. Doesn't sound likely to me, and i haven't heard that much mentioned about any of this.

Anyway, one other thing i can't get my head around... Kate went to check on them, less than 5 minslater she ran back to the party screaming 'they've taken her'.... so she thought straight away someone had taken her child yet she ran back to the party leaving the twins in the same room, all unlocked and everything???
It's all dodgy i don't know what to make of this whole thing, but i must admit that the more it's looked into the more and more dodgy it sounds against the parents.
But like the parents have also kind of said, while the focus is on them, is anyone still looking into other possibilities, because there could really be someone else out there with a lot more time and less pressure to cover up the crime.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34393871)
Didn't he disappear for 25 mins on the night?
Yeah apparently his kid was being violently sick so he'd took him/her back to their apartment to sort it out.
This is the husband of the woman who said she saw a man carrying a child in pink pyjama's like Maddie's....:dozey:

XFS03 11-09-2007 01:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pia (Post 34393904)
...Anyway, one other thing i can't get my head around... Kate went to check on them, less than 5 minslater she ran back to the party screaming 'they've taken her'.... so she thought straight away someone had taken her child yet she ran back to the party leaving the twins in the same room, all unlocked and everything???...
Which just emphasises even more how remote the apartment was from the tapas bar, otherwise she could have just shouted across to Gerry from the apartment.

Or, if you are synical, you might think that she needed to emphasise the "fact" of the abduction by shouting about it in front of everyone in the tapas bar, planting the first seed into the minds of everyone within earshot. Leaving the twins wouldn't be a worry as there was no abductor!

Orior 11-09-2007 01:23
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Jeez, the latest news makes me have to think again.

RizzyKing 11-09-2007 01:29
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Ok the problem i have had with the abduction thing from day one is why take the eldest if you want to snatch a child and you have a choice of three one four and 2 little more then babies which do you take. Some will no doubt go along with the burgler thng and say "ah but maddie was old enough to identify the burgler". Yeah right so some oppurtune thief being seen by a four year old then decides to kidnap her and kill her (sorry he is not going to keep her around) that doesn't add up to me at all.

THAT is the reason this is so talked about because it is but one thing among many many others about this whole situation that just doesn't add up in anyway. Fact that initial statements the mc'canns made about the circumstances in the first place have been completely discredited has nothing to do with anything according to some it was down to them being in a "confused state". Now we have the tried and tested not to mention tired old refrain of "were being framed". Maybe just maybe while some on here seem to have so much trouble accepting this the portugese police have not made a complete cock up that they have actually done their job and for reasons that they are not sharing in accordance with portugese law they have very damn good reason to be looking at the parents.

Arthur you talk about getting angry well your not alone i am sick of a country being derided and insulted because they are not saying\doing what some want them too. Also the portugese police are being helped by the british police so when people shout "frame up" please explain to me why the british police would go along with it.

Mr_love_monkey 11-09-2007 10:03
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Police are apparently playing down claims about DNA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6988485.stm

mrmistoffelees 11-09-2007 10:21
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Some thoughts I have had (many are possibly going over old ground and if so I apologise in advance)

  • Who had that hire car before the McCann's hired it?
  • Was it hired locally?
  • Why were the McCanns still driving the car after it had been examined if it were and contained such important evidence?
  • Why did they suspect Marat?
  • How was the body hidden for 25 days without anyone finding it, including sniffer dogs and policemen taking the apartment apart?
  • How could the body have been disposed of with such media interest in their every move? A 25 day old corpse would be badly decomposed in such a hot country unless refrigerated. How could it go undetected?
  • How did the McCanns have dinner with their friends, knowing they'd just killed their daughter?
  • What was the motive to kill their own daughter?
  • If it were an accident, why cover it up?


A few of the questions that have to be answered

peanut 11-09-2007 10:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34394012)
Some thoughts I have had (many are possibly going over old ground and if so I apologise in advance)

  • How could the body have been disposed of with such media interest in their every move? A 25 day old corpse would be badly decomposed in such a hot country unless refrigerated. How could it go undetected?
  • How did the McCanns have dinner with their friends, knowing they'd just killed their daughter?
  • What was the motive to kill their own daughter?
  • If it were an accident, why cover it up?


A few of the questions that have to be answered
For the last 3 questions see my post #1121. Don't forget both are doctors, they would clever and more calculating, they would know how to cover their tracks more than most. They can detatch themselves, because what choice did they have if that was the case (accidental death).

If it was a normal accident, there would be no need to cover it up.

mrmistoffelees 11-09-2007 10:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34394021)
For the last 3 questions see my post #1121. Don't forget both are doctors, they would clever and more calculating, they would know how to cover their tracks more than most. They can detatch themselves, because what choice did they have if that was the case (accidental death).

If it was a normal accident, there would be no need to cover it up.

Perhaps so, but a mothers love for her child is surely stronger ?

The first point remains then, decompostion of a corpse (If there was one) Thoughts ?

punky 11-09-2007 10:48
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Its interesting they'd even search a car that was rented so long after her disappearance. They must have had some reason to suspect them.

Osem 11-09-2007 11:00
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Surely, in cases like this, the family are always considered suspects until evidence proves otherwise.

handyman 11-09-2007 11:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34394012)
Some thoughts I have had (many are possibly going over old ground and if so I apologise in advance)
  • What was the motive to kill their own daughter?
  • If it were an accident, why cover it up?
A few of the questions that have to be answered
I don't think there would have been a motive, perhaps she was ruining the holiday by crying / acting up. More likely she was pushed and banged her head or shook and died. I struggle to imagine how they would kill her any other way than an accident. Why cover it up? maybe they thought they where in a foreign country and did not know what would happen to them and did not fancy rotting away in jail.

Mr_love_monkey 11-09-2007 11:12
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That's the thing - there's various bits here that just don't add up, for either argument - the abduction, or the 'murder' - both seem possible, but there are holes in both theories, and questions that just remain unanswered.

TheDaddy 11-09-2007 11:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34394036)
That's the thing - there's various bits here that just don't add up, for either argument - the abduction, or the 'murder' - both seem possible, but there are holes in both theories, and questions that just remain unanswered.
Exactly

Mr_love_monkey 11-09-2007 11:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34394039)
Exactly
exactly :)

and they haven't helped themselves by not giving clear details on what did and didn't happen that night, so to people it looks like they are lying and/or hiding something, which makes people question everything they say/do

slug 11-09-2007 12:46
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There is an incredibable piece of jounalism in The independent by Dominic Lawson.
http://comment.independent.co.uk/col...cle2950327.ece

Quote:
Her (Kate McCann) fellow Liverpudlian , the mother of the murdered 11- year-old, Rhys Jones, fed this media-led monster with the requisite heart-rending sobs at a series of press-conferences.
The Independent may come to regret that.

XFS03 11-09-2007 12:59
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The Daily Mail are claiming that it was large quantities of Madeleine's hair that was found in the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1811&ct=5


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Damien 11-09-2007 13:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slug (Post 34394063)
There is an incredibable piece of jounalism in The independent by Dominic Lawson.
http://comment.independent.co.uk/col...cle2950327.ece



The Independent may come to regret that.
Bah, The Independent is a joke of a newspaper now anyway. They are pretty much the Daily Mail for the left. It's incredible how biased they are and how they somehow think that their belief they are right means its ok.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by XFS03 (Post 34394072)
The Daily Mail are claiming that it was large quantities of Madeleine's hair that was found in the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1811&ct=5


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I forgot about the rumored phone calls between McCanns that suggested she was dead. It's looking worse for them, the police seem to be convinced now and they seem to have a lot of different reasons. If the hair thing is true then despite what the McCanns say, i dont see how hair from a missing person can be 'planted'.

Osem 11-09-2007 13:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34394077)
If the hair thing is true then despite what the McCanns say, i dont see how hair from a missing person can be 'planted'.
This is all speculatiion but it'd be easy, from a hairbrush say.

Damien 11-09-2007 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34394081)
This is all speculation but it'd be easy, from a hairbrush say.
True, but how likely is that. Depends on what the police mean by substantial.

etccarmageddon 11-09-2007 13:27
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
That independent article comment re the mother of Rhys Jones, is vile and disgusting.

Osem 11-09-2007 13:30
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34394082)
True, but how likely is that. Depends on what the police mean by substantial.
It's only remotely likely if the story that the Police are framing the McCann's is true (which I don't believe). However, they'd have access to items just like that as evidence and judging by the volume of the poor girl's hair from pictures I'd say there'd be plenty in her hairbrush unless her parents cleaned it every day. I think it's safe to assume that the definition of 'substantial' in forensic terms is probably quite different from that which would apply in normal circumstances.

Damien 11-09-2007 13:58
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34394088)
It's only remotely likely if the story that the Police are framing the McCann's is true (which I don't believe). However, they'd have access to items just like that as evidence and judging by the volume of the poor girl's hair from pictures I'd say there'd be plenty in her hairbrush unless her parents cleaned it every day. I think it's safe to assume that the definition of 'substantial' in forensic terms is probably quite different from that which would apply in normal circumstances.
I guess, Cant be sure whats going on. I don't believe they are being framed either though.

Mr_love_monkey 11-09-2007 14:29
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
The trouble I have with the hair, is that it seems like a mighty big flamingo up (like a cock up, but bigger) on their part.
She's died, one way or another, they managed to hide the body, convince friends etc, either to go along with it, or are able to fool them. They call the police and so on - hide the body well enough so that it's not found, all without panicking obviously, and then 5 weeks later, go off, get the body, take it somewhere else, hide it again, all without getting caught.... and then they leave a mass of hair in the car.

If it had been blood, fair enough, traces of that remain no matter how hard they clean, but a wodge of hair?

Damien 11-09-2007 14:32
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Very Bizarre....

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-09-2007 14:39
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
I think they need to call CSI in Vegas, and if Grissom's busy then Im sure Horatio would be free to take a trip down to the algarve.

If those guys cant solve this then no one will.

Mr_love_monkey 11-09-2007 14:55
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slug (Post 34394063)
There is an incredibable piece of jounalism in The independent by Dominic Lawson.
http://comment.independent.co.uk/col...cle2950327.ece

The Independent may come to regret that.
Whilst I don't think it's the best way to have put it, he has a point.
People would be more believing of her if she was breaking down in tears, distraught - and if you're not pouring your grief out on (inter)national tv, then there's something wrong.

Xaccers 11-09-2007 15:57
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Just imagine the state a body would be in after 25 days.
The smell, the decay, the greasy smears left around.

smicer07 11-09-2007 16:31
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
"Bodily fluids" matching Maddie's DNA found in the boot of the hire car..


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283521,00.html

There may be trouble aheeeeead....

SMHarman 11-09-2007 16:47
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34394155)
Just imagine the state a body would be in after 25 days.
The smell, the decay, the greasy smears left around.
and then add the ability for either of them to get around Portugal unnoticed by the police or press 25 days and all the publicity later.

Couple of other thoughts reading the links posted...

Per the BBC link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6988485.stm
Quote:
Last week, according to her family, detectives put to Mrs McCann the suggestion that her daughter's blood had been found inside the car.

Forensic investigator Professor David Barclay, who specialises in cold cases, said if blood had been found in the couple's hire car it could conceivably have been from their twins.

He told BBC East Midlands Today that siblings can share as many as 15 out of 20 DNA indicators.
Per the Sky Link...
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283521,00.html
Quote:
Bodily fluids - not blood - matching Madeleine McCann's DNA have been found in the car hired by her parents, according to sources.

It had an 88% match with the missing four-year-old's DNA, sources said.
88%, so not 100% = 17/20 vs the 15/20 DNA indicators in the BBC link. Could this be sibling DNA from puke, poop or something else?

RizzyKing 11-09-2007 16:53
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Just thought but at the stage where that car could have been used the focus was clearly on Kate and Gerry mc'cann so if maddie was in that car would a friend or family member have done it while the spotlight was firmly elsewhere. Yet more speculation but then thats all this affair is mainly and not a lot of facts by virtue that the portugese police are not in accordance with their laws releasing much information.

This is starting to look very bad but the worst thing about recent events is that a 4 year old has lost her life and will not have the life she should have done however that life was ended or by whom.

mrmistoffelees 11-09-2007 17:16
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
there is also this quote to contend

'Police searching the car also found so much of Madeleine's hair that it could not have been transferred from a blanket or clothes.

It must have come directly from her body,'



The information came from senior sources in the investigation who briefed Portuguese journalists

Xaccers 11-09-2007 17:26
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
So, decomposing, her body was placed in the boot of the car where the spare wheel is kept, hair fell off in a clump as would happen with decomposing flesh, maybe snagged on something as she was taken out or put in.
Is that what people are thinking?

Thing is, with the amount of media around, how?

mrmistoffelees 11-09-2007 17:27
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34394195)
So, decomposing, her body was placed in the boot of the car where the spare wheel is kept, hair fell off in a clump as would happen with decomposing flesh, maybe snagged on something as she was taken out or put in.
Is that what people are thinking?

Which then begs another question, if the dog that was brought in to sniff for corpses, and got a result in the apartment.

Why, did it not get a result in the hire car ??

Xaccers 11-09-2007 17:30
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34394196)
Which then begs another question, if the dog that was brought in to sniff for corpses, and got a result in the apartment.

Why, did it not get a result in the hire car ??
Exactly, a "fresh" body is more likely to smell of a live person than a 25 day old body would.

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-09-2007 17:32
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
The 'real' abducter could have broken into the hire car and planted the 'evidence' at some point to cover his or her tracks.

mrmistoffelees 11-09-2007 17:32
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34394199)
Exactly, a "fresh" body is more likely to smell of a live person than a 25 day old body would.

There is of course the option that the dog did not search the hire car. (for whatever reason)

TheDaddy 11-09-2007 17:34
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34394196)
Which then begs another question, if the dog that was brought in to sniff for corpses, and got a result in the apartment.

Why, did it not get a result in the hire car ??
I heard it costs £5000 per day to hire those dogs, for that money, they dont make mistakes

mrmistoffelees 11-09-2007 17:36
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34394200)
The 'real' abductee could have broken into the hire car and planted the 'evidence' at some point to cover his or her tracks.

Erm, in a nutshell not likely to happen as

a) you would have further DNA from an unknown person in the vehicle (So far as I know the authorities have not said that this has happened)

Whilst looking at some bits and pieces this morning, it would appear that no one had hired the car that the McCanns were using up to eight weeks before they hired it.

b) There would be some sign of forced entry to the car, or the alarm would have gone off

c) The likelyhood of a suspect returning to a scene is very very unlikely

---------- Post added at 16:36 ---------- Previous post was at 16:34 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34394202)
I heard it costs £5000 per day to hire those dogs, for that money, they dont make mistakes
Does not answer the question though

The dog either was not given the oppurtunity to 'smell' the car. Or, it did and it had a missmelling :D (sorry, could not think of a better word)

Or is your point one of that it must not have had the chance ?

TheDaddy 11-09-2007 17:40
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34394203)
Does not answer the question though

The dog either was not given the oppurtunity to 'smell' the car. Or, it did and it had a missmelling :D (sorry, could not think of a better word)

Or is your point one of that it must not have had the chance ?
Yes because at 5 grand a day you don't get miss smellings, mistakes, weeing on the carpet or humping peoples legs, sure it's all in the hire bumf ;)

mrmistoffelees 11-09-2007 17:41
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34394209)
Yes because at 5 grand a day you don't get miss smellings, mistakes, weeing on the carpet or humping peoples legs, it's all in the hire bumf

So, surely the dog should be allowed to now investigate the car ? and the fact that it has not already is surely worrying ?

TheDaddy 11-09-2007 18:02
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34394210)
So, surely the dog should be allowed to now investigate the car ? and the fact that it has not already is surely worrying ?
Do we know for certain it didn't check the car, couldn't it have simply found no traces of a corpse, don't know what that makes of the hair sample though, evidence wise :shrug:

etccarmageddon 11-09-2007 18:03
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
the latest on sky news on line says there was so much hair in the boot it could have only come from her body and also it's not blood they found in the boot - it's bodily fluid.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283521,00.html

SMHarman 11-09-2007 19:20
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by etccarmageddon (Post 34394220)
the latest on sky news on line says there was so much hair in the boot it could have only come from her body and also it's not blood they found in the boot - it's bodily fluid.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283521,00.html
Smicer posted that link at 10:30
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...y-page-78.html
It highlights it is not a perfect DNA match and could well be something to do with the twins if you read the comments from the Cold Case 'expert' on the BBC website who comments that a 75% DNA match is easily possible from close relatives.

RizzyKing 11-09-2007 19:29
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Perhaps the dog did smell the car maybe thats the reason the police started looking at the parents.

TheNorm 11-09-2007 19:35
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman (Post 34394276)
Smicer posted that link at 10:30...
The contents of the webpage change periodically, it now says something quite different to what I read earlier. Doesn't this justify repeated postings of the same link?

Damien 11-09-2007 19:40
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
I wish they would either shut up or tell us the whole story. It's confusing for the police to say some reasons why they suspect the McCanns, and not the others...

Mike 11-09-2007 19:47
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34393465)
Hmmmmmm so....


1) Why the claims of 'They offered me a deal if i confessed' ?
2) 'They are trying to frame Kate'

Totally normal for the legal system to 'plea bargain' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain

Don't forget in the UK if someone pleas guilty they get a third reduction in their sentence !

Mike

SMHarman 11-09-2007 19:59
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34394288)
Perhaps the dog did smell the car maybe thats the reason the police started looking at the parents.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6984836.stm
indicates the dogs did go over the car in late July.

peanut 11-09-2007 20:09
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman (Post 34394309)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6984836.stm
indicates the dogs did go over the car in late July.
Perhaps there was a smelling mistake, Chris T would be happy with that. :p:

mrmistoffelees 11-09-2007 20:57
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike (Post 34394300)
Totally normal for the legal system to 'plea bargain' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain

Don't forget in the UK if someone pleas guilty they get a third reduction in their sentence !

Mike

Apart from the fact that in Portugal there is a fixed sentence for each crime commited that not even a judge can change. Your statement is completely true.

I think Chris T has said numerous times and it needs to be repeated, The Portugese and UK have completely different legal systems

---------- Post added at 19:57 ---------- Previous post was at 19:55 ----------

File has been passed from prosecutor to judge

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6989960.stm

sorry if already posted

Hom3r 11-09-2007 21:42
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
I don't know if its been posted here, but they were Doctors with access to drugs, did they sedate the kids to stop them wondering off. and give to much to Maddy.

Again the only snag is where to you hide a body in a hot country with out the unpleasent side effects.

But what about the church? Kate has spent a lot of time there. again surly any preist would reoprt this to the authorities.

TheDaddy 11-09-2007 21:55
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34394396)
But what about the church? Kate has spent a lot of time there. again surly any preist would reoprt this to the authorities.
Do you even need to ask that, what's your next question, was the Pope in on it?

Arthurgray50@blu 11-09-2007 22:11
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Hi Slug, yes there are bad crimes comitted, but you cannot put the McCann, business in the same line as the horrific crime of James Bulgar, Soham Murders or the Fred West crime, the McCann situation l would compare with an Edgar Lustgarten novel, (those old enough will remember ' Scotland Yard Mysteries from the sixties,) there are so many if's and buts about Maddie, you don't know what to believe, but l strongly believe that she was abducted by some person from the sicko world that we live in, it was even stated at the begining, that this was one lead that they were going on, as it was known in the area, and l believe this to be the case, the McCanns are only being blamed, as the police ' shambles' investigation (as stated in a London paper), can no longer be valid, as the way it has been run. And l think the only crime that the McCann's can be charged with, would be leaving there children in the apartment, and that is it, anything else is a bloody farce.:)

peanut 11-09-2007 22:21
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34394434)
snip.....

After 1180 posts your views haven't changed a bit. Do you ignore everything you read if your mind is made up from the start?

Not saying you're wrong of course though.

Arthurgray50@blu 11-09-2007 22:53
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Hello Peanutkp, Thank you for your comment, No, l believe that, l read about the people, the facts, and what l hear from TV news, especially Sky News, The way l look at is quite simple, IF, and it is a big IF, they did kill Maddie, either by accident, or intentionly, would you seriously stay in the Country, you would want to get out asap, they stayed in Portugal for FOUR months, they VOLUNTEERED to help the police, they loved there kids, now if they did anything to Maddie, why didn't they harm the other two, IF Kate(the parent) was the last to visit Maddie, why wasn't there anxious feeling or blood appearnce on view when she went back to the restuarant, this is where to start from, and also it is claimed that they hired a car 25 days after she went missing, wouldn't they show signs of anxiety in between, and don't forget they were followed by tv crews, all the time. l should be a detective.

---------- Post added at 21:53 ---------- Previous post was at 21:52 ----------

Hello Peanutkp, Thank you for your comment, No, l believe that, l read about the people, the facts, and what l hear from TV news, especially Sky News, The way l look at is quite simple, IF, and it is a big IF, they did kill Maddie, either by accident, or intentionly, would you seriously stay in the Country, you would want to get out asap, they stayed in Portugal for FOUR months, they VOLUNTEERED to help the police, they loved there kids, now if they did anything to Maddie, why didn't they harm the other two, IF Kate(the parent) was the last to visit Maddie, why wasn't there anxious feeling or blood appearnce on view when she went back to the restuarant, this is where to start from, and also it is claimed that they hired a car 25 days after she went missing, wouldn't they show signs of anxiety in between, and don't forget they were followed by tv crews, all the time. l should be a detective.

Mr_love_monkey 12-09-2007 00:01
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Just been watching sky news, and half heard this - apparently the prosecutor has asked the judge to make an emergency decision about something - which means that a decision needs to be made in 24 hours - apparently there is an object, that the prosecutor wants to see or get, and that's what they are asking for permission to do - but no reports on what it is, where it is

---------- Post added at 23:01 ---------- Previous post was at 22:31 ----------

link http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283521,00.html

Matth 12-09-2007 00:38
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Didn't Ian Huntley help "look for" the missing schoolgirls? Always a good move to be helpful, especially if you're guilty.

Either the Portugese authorities really are as incompetent as the keystone cops, or it ain't looking good for the McCanns.

Counter to that though, if they are trying to make out that the body was in the car hired sometime after, where the hell was it until then?

slug 12-09-2007 00:51
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34394423)
Do you even need to ask that, what's your next question, was the Pope in on it?
The local church is a location under suspicion because the McCanns had been given the keys by the local priest, also at about the time Maddie went missing new paving slams were laid.

Pia 12-09-2007 01:02
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slug (Post 34394543)
The local church is a location under suspicion because the McCanns had been given the keys by the local priest, also at about the time Maddie went missing new paving slams were laid.
Do you have a link to that info? :)

slug 12-09-2007 01:12
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34394423)
Do you even need to ask that, what's your next question, was the Pope in on it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pia (Post 34394547)
Do you have a link to that info? :)
Martin Brunt (sky news) has mentioned it a couple of times, but I cant find it in print. I will have a better look later.

Gareth 12-09-2007 02:12
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34394462)
.....they loved there kids, now if they did anything to Maddie....
Apparently not enough to want their presence to ruin their evenings out wining and dining with friends.

Whilst we're playing at armchair detectives, here are some key questions that need considering:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2422967.ece

TheDaddy 12-09-2007 02:27
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slug (Post 34394543)
The local church is a location under suspicion because the McCanns had been given the keys by the local priest, also at about the time Maddie went missing new paving slams were laid.
I was actually referring to the surly any preist would reoprt this to the authorities imo the question didn't need to be asked, as for alleging that's where her body was hidden, why not, if she is dead the body was kept somewhere

Daffy Duck 12-09-2007 07:07
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
[quote=Arthurgray50@blu;34394462]Hello Peanutkp, Thank you for your comment, No, l believe that, l read about the people, the facts, and what l hear from TV news, especially Sky News, The way l look at is quite simple, IF, and it is a big IF, they did kill Maddie, either by accident, or intentionly, would you seriously stay in the Country, you would want to get out asap, they stayed in Portugal for FOUR months, they VOLUNTEERED to help the police, they loved there kids, now if they did anything to Maddie, why didn't they harm the other two, IF Kate(the parent) was the last to visit Maddie, why wasn't there anxious feeling or blood appearnce on view when she went back to the restuarant, this is where to start from, and also it is claimed that they hired a car 25 days after she went missing, wouldn't they show signs of anxiety in between, and don't forget they were followed by tv crews, all the time. l should be a detective.

I wouldn't become a detective if i were you, lets look at it a different way, if they had scooted back to England and/or not volunteered to help the police that wouldn't have been the actions of someone who's child had been abducted......they would have had to stay and to help the police just to promote their cover story. So their actions aren't any evidence that they're telling the truth nor is it evidence they're lying....it means nothing either way

RizzyKing 12-09-2007 11:12
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Arthur believe me i want that little girl found alive but there is hope and there is optimism to the point of stupidity. you say why didn't they kill or harm the other two children but that also stands for an abductor why did the abductor take the child that could stand out the most. There is no question whatsoever that the priest would not have anything to do with something like this although the confessional is something that can be hard for some catholic priests and if i am correct he would have to get special permission to disclose anything that might have been said in confession.

The point of where the body could have been hidden for 25 days is valid but if as is being suggested certain types of DNA material were found in the spare tyre well becomes irrelevent in as much as she must have been in there somehow. I don't listen to or read a word of team mc'canns version of events as i have not believed a word from them since very early on when most if not all their initial statements and accounts have been proved incorrect.

Saaf_laandon_mo 12-09-2007 11:24
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
I read that the decsion whether to allow money from MAddies fund to be used in any defence costs will be reached today. Although two of the directors of the fund cannot vote on this issue as they are direct family members, the other 4 are close friends of the McGanns. Their decision should be interesting.

It has also been reported that there have been calls from some donators to refund their money if it is going to be used in this manner.

I for one do not think the money should be used by them for paying lawyers in a case where they are being accused of murder, manslaughter, accidental death etc etc Maddie.

Damien 12-09-2007 11:35
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
No shouldn't be used. Your right the decision should be interesting.

RizzyKing 12-09-2007 11:45
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
I think it would be a very big mistake for them to use the fund for their defence and would anger many people.

XFS03 12-09-2007 11:51
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
According to the Daily Mail, the object that the prosecuter urgently wants, is Kate McCann's diary.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1811&ct=5

.

Mr_love_monkey 12-09-2007 12:02
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
That strikes me as particually stupid - what do they expect to find?

03/05/7 - Dear Diary,
Today could have gone better, what with the accidental killing and hiding of the body of our daughter.....

30/05/07 - Dear Diary,

Decided to move the body...

punky 12-09-2007 12:25
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34394653)
That strikes me as particually stupid - what do they expect to find?

03/05/7 - Dear Diary,
Today could have gone better, what with the accidental killing and hiding of the body of our daughter.....

30/05/07 - Dear Diary,

Decided to move the body...
While I think that your post is funny, Seizing the diary could be very useful. It could yield pieces of information that discredit things Mrs McCann said under whatever the Portugese-version of caution is (Arguida I presume), with regard to times, what was said, etc.

I'm suprised they made it public before securing the diary, as 'accidents' might happen.

Osem 12-09-2007 12:26
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34394653)
That strikes me as particually stupid - what do they expect to find?
More likely something which contradicts certain evidence the McCanns have given.

Chris 12-09-2007 12:26
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34394646)
I think it would be a very big mistake for them to use the fund for their defence and would anger many people.
We're not confusing accusation with guilt here by any chance are we?


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