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Very disappointing :-(

No names mentioned but one massive superstar was very conspicuous by his absence. Didn't like the ending either. Ah well, I guess this is what happens when Vince no longer has any serious competition :erm:

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WWE.com has confrim that ????.

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You do realise that your spoiler shows up in email notifications?

I really cannot see what some people find so hard to understand about the "no spoilers for 24 hours" part of this thread title :grind:

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The news is on WWE.com and other web site - you can find it if you google it.

That how I post it here.

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Ah right, so no point in requesting people to not post spoilers in here then. Seeing as you can get real-time results on PPVs and shows if you know where to look. Glad we've settled that one.

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I just the story on WWE.com and forgot the rules of this thread - Sorry Russ.

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If this is the story I think you mean, then I am in total shock! Won't say anything about it until Saturday evening though, but feel free to send me a pm if it is something different you were talking about.

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Sorry but comfiimed what ???

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The new SD General Manager.

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An must see for all Hulk Hogan fans

Part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUAF6...eature=related
Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhWqp...feature=relmfu
Part three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXXT5...eature=related

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WrestleTalk TV has to be the most awful attempt at a UK wrestling-feature show to ever have poisoned our screens. There seems to be a perception that because Alex Shane is heavily involved that it 'must' be good. Absolutely butt-gravy.

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This is not a work or part of the show, midway through Raw last night Jerry 'The King' Lawler collapsed and suffered a suspected heart attack. Reports say he was 'clinically dead' for 20 minutes. Really hope he pulls through.

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It happened midway through the Kane/Bryan v PTP tag match, if you recorded it listen carefully and you can hear Lawler sound like he's snoring, then the people at ringside all stand up to see what was happening.

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Watching RAW now and just seen the tag match, Cole has done well considering the situation.

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Yeah he was very professional. You see how upset he was though. It felt eerily like that moment when Lawler and JR announced that Owen Hart had just died.

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Anybody heard any news on how jerry doing? Hope he ok

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Apparently he's been stabilised and is able to breath on his own now.

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From 2 different websites this morning, he had a heart attack or a stroke. Apparently he will be having a brain scan today, which sounds more like a stroke. Brain scans aren't the norm for heart attacks.

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If his heart stopped beating for long enough then brain damage would occur.

Anyway a clip of what happened - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sbva...ayer_embedded#!

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Michael Cole Discusses Jerry Lawler's Heart Attack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N8iG...layer_embedded

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The doctors are now saying he's going to make a full recovery and there is no reason why he cannot return to the ring.

I've never doubted it but Lawler has got serious coconuts if that's true. Good on him.

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I can't see the WWE including him in in-ring activities after this.

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True but the vast majority of his matches are on the indys these days.

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WWE has come to terms on the release of WWE Diva Kelly Kelly as of today, September 28, 2012. WWE wishes Kelly Kelly the best in all her future endeavors.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/kelly-kelly-released-26055812

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Well that's good.

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WWE Main Event starts next week, I still have no idea if Sky will show it or not.

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I'd be more concerned with Beth Phoenix' release. She's an awesome talent and a credible women's champion.

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She'd obviously prefer to be in TNA where they seem to care about women's wrestling. At least 'E seem to care about tag teams at the minute.

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Yes, HHH is pushing the tag division right now and that's long overdue IMO. I'd love to see it as worthy as the days of the Harts, Bulldogs, Demolition etc

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Really she was great why they getting rid of them all for be none left soon

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WWE isn't getting rid of anyone. Beth Phoenix has decided to not renew her contract and Kelly Kelly asked for her release and was granted it.

They and many other mid-carders are frustrated at their lack of opportunities and it is rumoured than there are more wanting to leave.

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I would dump so many of the WWE roster that there would be nobody left to wrestle for them! Trouble is for me, I can't get excited about any of the next generation of stars. I'm still stuck in the Shawn Micheals, Triple H, Flair and Hogan era of WWE. Oh and Undertaker of course.

None of the new breed excites me in the same way, as in I want to watch WWE solely for that person. Closest I ever came to cheering on a new breed was Ted DiBiase Junior, but haven't seen him for ages now.

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Will we be getting WWe main event? As all WWe saying is that it debuts this Wednesday on ion tv in American

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So yeah CM punk hit's a fan and no further charges will be brought forward.

Story: After exiting through the crowd on MNR, Punk was 'pushed' by a guy to left (by pushed I naturally mean tapped slightly) Punk reacted and assumed it was the guy behind him, swung for him and put him on the floor.

Regardless of what kind of situation he is in, He's a trained athlete regardless of it's scripted fighting he is still built like a machine and judging by his in ring abilities has at least an MMA background. How he's not suspended or in a cell at present time is ridiculous.

The guy involved has supposedly dropped the charges. Tickets to Wrestlemania all inclusive anyone?

I could completely understand if the guy that did in fact touch punk took a shot but there was minimal contact to even justify him hitting the correct guy.

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I imagine they would have taken the belt off him had they not already set up Rock vs. Punk for Royal Rumble.

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Note Raw and Smackdown both available on Virgin on demand now :)

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Wow, will have a look later today. For some reason RAW didn't record last night. Think we had a power cut during the night.

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Last week Raw - until October 18th.

This week Raw - not added yet.

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Is the WWe fan axxess for WWe 13 on ps3 worth getting I've never got the axxess befor. Course I don't really understand what it does

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You pay in advance for the 3 DLC packs.

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I do want to get all the superstars. But not bothed about that welcome pack in 5 Languages. Also the online badge.

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Just been reading that Smackdown going to be live what it saids is WWe going to make history tonight as supersmackdown live appears from the uk for the 1st time. Will it be live live as I cart see that happening people going there at 1am.

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It was taped but aired the same night, instead of Friday.

E.G was taped last night (7-9pm or something)

Aired at 1-2am

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Thought so don't understand why they call it live for when its not. When ever I go it starts at 1930 finishes around 2210.
Went to the tour in Manchester on sat was brill.

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They always do it regardless, I think they just use Live over the term Flagship.

Both meaning they are going to air on TV whereas the other shows are just house show's.

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Wonder what direction WWE will move in now Linda has lost her second consecutive Senate election in the state of Connecticut? They will either stay where they are with the PG crap or move back towards the Attitude era. I would love to see more of the old style DX skits on WWE programming.

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Nothing will change. The PG thing is for sponsorship reasons and nothing to do with Linda's campaign.

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Would love them to bring back the attitude era. The best year of wwf/WWe.

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Does anybody know what the uk tour dates are for next April. Also when they will be on sale?

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April 18 - SD - Glasgow
April 19 - SD - Newcastle
April 20 - SD - Birmingham
April 21 - SD - Sheffield
April 22 - SD - Cardiff
April 22 - Raw TV Taping - London
April 23 - SD TV Taping - London
April 23 - Raw - Nottingham

On sale 23rd of this month.

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Thanks wasn't the tv shows in London last April? Thought they be somewhere differt this time

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I don't get the point of the new Survivor Series match, what heat do Ziggler & Foley have?

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They'll probably use Ziggler to either tease or cash-in the MitB and I think Foley was brought in to try to get more heat on Punk and Heyman although this has seriously bombed. I love Foley and respect his history but he's way out of shape, his punches look awful and was an embarrassment in the Royal Rumble this year.

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A mate of mine who signed with WWE last month has just gone on the FCW/NXT roster - Gavin Reid (Stephen Evans) http://www.fcwwrestling.info/Roster/Gavin-Reid.html

The guy has loads of potential, let's hope they use him properly :)

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Just so long as he doesn't get paired with that other Welshman he should be in good standing.

They really should start promoting from NXT, it's the best show they make at the moment.

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Mason Ryan? He's from North Wales so he's not really Welsh. It's a shame about him as he was pretty good in FCW but I get the feeling his 'future endeavour' is not far off. With the push of the tag team division they should stick him with someone like Alex Riley and put them up against more established guys to learn from.

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Finally... a remote sense of excitement has come back to WWE.

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If that's hinting at the spoiler that I think it is then there's going to be one pretty narked off admin around the place later...

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Its not the Rock, just using the catchphrase due to the length of time it has taken for something to happen that wasn't entirely predictable beforehand.

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I got excited a tiny bit about a new stable of sorts but still didn't make up for another **** poor PPV with more and more poor championship match endings.

I know a heel has times when he won't win cleanly but every PPV? come on man :(

By poor I mean what on earth happened to Survivor Series, this is meant to be a key PPV of the calendar and the elimination tag matches were the headlining point at once, how that's drastically changed and they end up being a dismal match. WWE is milking the life out of PPV's Hell in a cell was barely gone and here we were at Survivor Series witnessing the same old situations. The calendar needs redone tbh, Spread the PPV's out more and build up to them!

Bets on Cena winning the Rumble, Rock beating punk and you guessed it, Twice in a lifetime.

I hope the new stable is nexus like and just attack anyone, if they face it all on Ryback I'll be very disappointed in seeing Ryback's character buried after this build up in recent months. I want him to continue being a monster that little bit longer. It's much better than having another 'Kane or Big Show'

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Apologies for flying off the handle above. It did look like a spoiler for The Rock.

I agree it was a weak PPV. And to be honest I'm not all that stoked about this new faction. It's been done to death. When was the last time a heel faction really got over? Nexus failed so they tried to inject a bit of life in to it by bringing in Punk. That died a death. In fact the last decent heel stable was Evolution but they ended up suffering from the "too cool to be heels" syndrome.

I'm guessing Shield will have the attitude of "we were held back, we were too good for NXT" etc. Still not excited for it.

The whole Survivor Series concept has been stale for years IMO. What I'd like to see is possibly 2 title defences and the other 2/3 matches is tradition SS elimination but the survivors of all the matches meet in a final bout of survivors. They did that back in 1990 with Hogan and Warrior as the sole winners and I can't understand why they don't go back to it. That would make the PPV stand out in the way HIAC, TLC or MITB do.

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Hopefully Ziggler will finally cash in at TLC and make World title matches watchable, I think the last time I fully paid attention to one was WrestleMania and then you couldnt exactly miss it.

Any ideas who he'd face for the belt assuming they don't go with Sheamus again?

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Don't know, I don't think he is really feuding with anyone right now. There's Orton I suppose, but I don't rate Orton at all. I'm struggling to get excited about any of the current lot of stars. I knew it would happen at some point, but I didn't think it would be this soon.

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Orton could be a candidate as he's due to turn heel soon. There's little doubt Ziggler will be super-over when he gets the belt so they'll probably face him up a bit. If they give Orton a miss I could see Damian Sandow possibly getting a title shot. Although fairly new Vince is apparently pretty high on him.

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I think Dolph will get over with the crowd hugely when he ends his alliance with Vickie Guerrero. Whilst I don't like the character she plays (as it is acting to a degree to be hones), she draws some great heat from the crowd. 'EXCUSE ME'!

Realistically, I think Dolph is a good shout to win the title soon. Orton is better as a heel, I think he is flat as a face. Cena is OK, but the huge problem I have with him isn't his fault. I cannot take seriously a guy who gets beaten down for half an hour, he then comes back and wins and shows no signs of being beaten for most of the match.

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That was the first Survivor Series I watched live on SKY. The debut of The Undertaker! Also featured a match with virtually all of my favourite wrestlers:

The Warriors - The Ultimate Warrior, The Legion of Doom and The Texas Tornado Vs. The Perfect Team - Mr. Perfect and Demolition

22 years ago, that's crazy!

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Best memory from this years WWE calendar?


Mine: Santino Marella vs Daniel Bryan as the last two in the Elimination Chamber @ PPV Elimination Chamber 2012

Santino rallied and hit a massively unexpected Cobra and the crowd went absolutely wild in what could of been one of the most unexpected moments in WWE history. Sadly D-bry kicked out at 2 and won via submission a few seconds later.

I don't think WWE has almost had me off my seat as much in the last 8 years.

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That was great, mine was Royal Rumble. Nice to see Duggan and Road Dogg again, and Kharma entering the match.

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And such a shame that 4 out of all those have died prematurely :(

That proved how when needed Santino can raise his game. His gimmick is great for the kids and all but it's such a shame that he's languishing in lower-midcard regions.

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Just finished watching the new WWE documentary: WWE The Attitude Era. Followed this up with The Legend of Wrestling, The History of Monday Night RAW.

It just reminded me how great the WWE was between 1997 and 2001. One thing I forgot about was how good the WWE where at drawing a storyline out. You'd have multiple wrestlers on the roster engrossed in feuds and angles that would take months and months to reach a conclusion.

The Road Dogg features heavily on both. Some of the footage of him controlling the crowd on the mic is fantastic. Often the overlooked member of DX. He got a great pop this years at the Royal Rumble.

If you've not watched either of these, I totally recommend them. You might however have to resort to downloading / watching them from an unofficial WWE site as I don't think either are available in the UK at this time.

SKY should have picked up WWE Legends of Wrestling a long time ago. Managed to catch all 33 episodes, by hook or by crook, since they started 6 years ago.

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Just watched Cena doing his knee in chasing Ziggler :D

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It was a work...

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CM punk suffers leg injury. Match for TLC is scrapped.

What do people make of the poor secret that is Lesnar vs Taker at WM

Likely a poor match in which Lesnar demonstrates about 4 MMA moves and gasses out.

If Lesnar were to beat the Undertaker at WM, I'd stop watching indefinetely. HHH, Shawn Michaels, two of the greatest superstars of all time didn't even take that streak, If they let a money grabbing piece of crap like Lesnar take it, I couldn't watch any more.

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Taker will retired undefeated at WM. There's no way they'd leave him leave the sport without that accolade.

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Its going to be an awful match, the great man hasn't got it anymore and Brock could've had it but never did, could compete with hhh Scott steiner for the worst ppv match ever.

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He's on this weeks NXT with Regal talking him up.

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Yeah I watched his squash match yesterday :D

Great to see 'Gavin' get his debut out of the way :)

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How long do you think cmpunk be out for?

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Just a month I'd imagine, even it were more serious they'd encourage him to be back by the Rumble. Cos' Rocky's got to promote GI Joe 2 with a title belt.

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So what happens if the Rock wins at the rumble? based on Mr Johnson's appearance rates, we wont see the title again till WM.

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Christ knows, but it wouldn't shock me if we had another CM Punk/Cena situation, where Punk walked out after winning the title in 2011, then coming back once Cena was crowned the new champion a week or 2 later. Wouldn't shock me in the least.

Reckon Punk will lose at Rumble, Cena cashes in the briefcase (if he gets it, rumours are he will win the briefcase off Ziggler) and then Punk and Cena feud until WM, and we have a Triple Threat at WM between Rock, Cena and Punk.

That, or there will be a tournament for 6 spots in the EC, and then at EC we get a match for a new WWE Champion then at WM we get Rock v the new WWE Champion.

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Twice in a lifetime (Rock vs Cena II) is my bet.

But it will all go down the drain if Cena wins the MITB. Cena can only cash in on the WHC not the WWE champion.

Cena to make more appearances on Friday night's? Would make sense seen as though he's been appearing there for a while now whilst feuding with Ziggler.

Sheamus destroys Big Show at some point after a DQ win, Cena cashes in and becomes WHC. As long as they have him actually cash that thing in properly I won't care. The cash in vs punk was just stupid. Sportsmanship gimmick is just crap. Shouldn't be hard to pull off with Show as a heel.

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I can't see Cena winning the briefcase. That'll make Ziggler the second man to fail to cash it in and win and Cena is about the only man who that wouldn't hurt.

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Wresting question. Which parts of wrestling are 'real'? I know everyone gets upset if you dare raise the possibility it isn't but, with the winners decided in advance, what stops it becoming a very skilled and athletic theatre instead of a sport (in wwe, not traditional, terms)?

How do the matches work? Do the participants get told the winner and they improvise the entire match or are they given a play-by-play of moves/momentums to do? Do they get given a time to abide by and told the end in a certain way? How do they know what move the other is about to execute?

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*Cracks knuckles* Here goes.

It's all down to the booker/promoter (often one and the same person). He'll have an idea of what sort of matches he wants (technical, comedy, high-flying etc etc) from who he can get on the show.

Each match needs to tell a story therefore both wrestlers have to be able to get their character over to the crowd in a way that makes the people care enough about them to be interested in the match. The promoter will tell both guys who he wants to win and roughly how long to go on for - often this is where the ref helps them. Sometimes he'll tell them how he wants the match to end, for example if he wants the bad guy to get a reputation then he'll ask him to cheat-to-win, usually behind the ref's back. But more often than not if he knows the guys are good workers he will tell them who is going to win and leaves them sort it out between them.

It's then up to the guys to put on a match which entertains the crowd, tells a good story and makes the people feel they're getting their money's worth.

None of us will pretend the show is real however the injuries are. We can learn to fall ('bump') correctly but it still hurts and we rely on the other guy to protect us whether we're giving or taking the move. There are ways the ref will check if an injury is legit or not but for the sake of kayfabe I won't go in to it here.

Before the match the guys will go over what they want to do and rehearse scenarios. A lot of the time if they are experienced they'll just call it on the fly - some moves just flow together. A lot of the time they'll discuss it in the ring as they go along. Good performers know the tricks of doing this without you noticing it. Bad performers end up getting the crowd discussing it with them...

edit: not all wrestlers or promoters stick to this but these are generally considered what should be the standard points to a match... http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Real-Wrestling-Match

Ignore the 'double down'. Ideally that should only happen once throughout the whole show and usually in the main event otherwise it takes some of the excitement off it.

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Rumour I heard was CM Punk v Taker at WM, and that Taker requested this as the match.

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Sky are showing WWE Smackdown LIVE this week on Sky Sports 3 from 1am on Tuesday Night.

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(Slammy) award winning display from the TiVo, they change the show to Sky Sports 4 and it doesn't record Raw.

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They just said on raw that's it's going to be with no adverts. Wish is going to be great.

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Can't wait for the Rumble now, its usually followed by the best 2-3 months of the year up and including the raw after mania.

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The Royal Rumble match is one of the matches I most look forward too, I've said before about PPV's being dismal but Royal Rumble and WM are the two best of the year. I hope they have some non-predictable returns in place, I best keep away from the usual sites :D

My list of possible winners anyway:

John Cena - setting up the WM rematch.

CM Punk - If the rumble is the main event as per and Punk loses the title?

Ryback - Self explanatory.

The Undertaker returns? - wins?

Whilst there's a lot of people that deserve opportunities, these lot are the only contenders I see.

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Will raw be live. Tonight just as its it Christmas Eve you would had thought they all gone home for Christmas.

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They did. It was taped last week.

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Thanks

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Was that Finlay on raw last week at the end breaking up the fight?

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Yeah, he's backroom staff now rather than on the roster.

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Thanks shame he was well gd in the ring with hornswoggle. Do you think we will ever see him in the ring again?

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Probably not, but maybe a Rumble run-in or some other cameo.

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Hope not he's nearly as old as ric flair, I remember watching him on world of sport with Dickie Davies.

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Finlay always brings his gear with him in case another talent doesn't turn up etc so you might see him on Superstars or something but very unlikely Raw or SD unless they want to give a very green monster heel someone to squash who can guide them through the match.

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