Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36201122)

They would, but they're a terrorist organisation. We expect more of democratic governments, especially ones that are our allies.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36201122)

They would, but they're a terrorist organisation. We expect more of democratic governments, especially ones that are our allies.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36201136)

This sounds like an argument against frying a wasp’s nest just because the wasp that stung you is only doing what you expect a wasp to do.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36201122)

They would, but they're a terrorist organisation. We expect more of democratic governments, especially ones that are our allies.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36201139)

I am fine with frying the wasp nest, but this is bombing the neighbourhood where the wasp nest is located and everybody in it. I appreciate that there is collateral damage in war, especially when you have terrorists like Hamas who embed themselves in a civilian population, but this is now indiscriminate. Levelling entire population centres and limiting aid.



I don't think it does. I expect higher standards from the police than from criminals, I expect higher standards of Western-aligned governments than I do of terrorist groups.

I used to defend Israel by saying that if Hamas had all the power, they would destroy Israel, whereas if Israel had all the power, they would just want to live in peace. I feel pretty stupid about that now.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36201388)

The problem is, Damien, that if Hamas is not eliminated, this will never end. What would be your solution? Hamas is committed to destroying Israel and nothing is going to change that mindset.

The civilian casualty rate is higher than it needs to be because Hamas is using civilians as human shields, so you can blame Hamas for that!

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36201415)

Just remind me how that’s worked for conflict against opponents as

Viet Cong
iRA
Taliban


Also, if you think every single woman and child was killed because they were being used as a human shield then you’re even more off your trolley with your responses than usual

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36201417)

cough cough

Not to mention the Irgun Zvai Leumi, and the Lohamey Heruth Israel (aka Stern Gang)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36201418)

Oh yes, I remember them, revered in Israel for cutting the balls off British soldiers and murdering civilians...

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201432)

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36201437)

You mean like the words some have chosen to describe Palestinians ?

How deliciously ironic.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201439)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36201441)

He didn’t say that…

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36201437)

You mean like the words some have chosen to describe Palestinians ?

How deliciously ironic.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36201471)

Just ignore him, I do. 20 years ago he was probably calling our own ambassador anti semetic because he called for the cancellation of the pro irgun commemoration of The King David Hotel bombing, which Netanyahu attended incidentally and agreed with their stupid plaques that blamed the British for failing to evaluate the hotel and believed their claims of regret and dismay that 91 people were killed, 80 years on and their country's government is still parroting that line, only difference now is that instead of tens of people murdered its tens of thousands :(