Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

Wonders if Boris is following the Zaphod BeebleBrox Presidential Policy? After all the function isn't to wield power but to distract attention from those that do?

More seriously you wouldn't expect any PM to know all the "details", that's what ministers and the civil service are for. I wouldn't say someone else is controlling him but he is the public face for a load of faceless bureaucrats. Trouble for him though is that if it fails then it's his fault but if it all works it's the hard work of those on the ground.

Actually on the very serious issues I do expect him or any PM for that matter to have more than a passing acquaintance with the subject, it's to important not to, other politicians can manage it but then perhaps they take the job more seriously

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36087677)

Boris is likely to be in toss-up mode (in more ways than one).

Enjoy the dosh he has previously earned as a journo/hack vs being in charge of a ship he can't manage. I hope he's displaced very soon.

The chicken feed? Thing is if he is displaced who replaces him? I don't like the cut of any of their jibs and sometimes it's better the bozo you know

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36087685)

I'd rather have Boris rather than "Mr hindsight" Kier Starmer.

I think I would to

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36087689)

You lot won't agree with me, nor will the rest of the Tpry MPS: John Redwood for PM.

It would be difficult to find the perfect Tory candidate for PM. Imo, least worst and would prolly do a good job, is Dominic Raab.

John Deadwood isn't the answer I'm afraid, that ship sailed

Carth

28-07-2021 12:52

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I don't think there's really any point putting forward our suggestions for the next PM, unless of course it was a public vote (which would end up as a tie between Jeremy Clarkson and some boobjob from 'Love Island')

The Conservatives (if still in power) will elect their own leader, and I doubt honesty and integrity will play as much part as 'mates & chums' in the decision ;)

1andrew1

28-07-2021 15:39

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The explosive Brexit spat that no one is talking about could slam the UK economy

Boris Johnson has spent decades agitating against the European Union and the last five years battling to free the United Kingdom from the shackles of regulation from Brussels. Now he's in the awkward position of finding himself at the mercy of EU leaders for permission to rejoin an international treaty, or risk devastating Britain's multi-billion-dollar legal services industry.

The agreement in question is called the Lugano Convention, and essentially it establishes the jurisdiction of national courts, guaranteeing the legal recognition and enforcement of a wide range of civil and commercial judgments in cross-border disputes.

...The UK dropped out of the treaty as a consequence of Brexit, and applied to rejoin in April 2020. Yet, while the non-EU signatory states (Iceland, Norway and Switzerland) agreed to its re-admission, to date the European Commission has recommended that the EU deny this request, and said that the bloc was "not in a position" to give its consent to UK accession.

..."It's politically uncomfortable for Johnson that the EU is starting to react to what it sees as our bad behavior," says Anand Menon, professor of international politics at King's College London. "Lots of Brexiteers said from the start of the Brexit process that London taking a hard-line stance wouldn't result in retaliation from Brussels. This is one of the first examples where we are being damaged internationally and the EU holds the keys, and it gives us an idea of how much they think our reputation has changed," he adds.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/b...cmd/index.html

Carth

28-07-2021 16:20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36087726)

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/b...cmd/index.html

Another non story from an analyst on an American news site.

oh, and the figures quoted regarding 'legal services' are peanuts compared to things that really matter ;)

Hugh	28-07-2021 17:49

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36087735)

Another non story from an analyst on an American news site.

oh, and the figures quoted regarding 'legal services' are peanuts compared to things that really matter ;)

You might want to have a word with your peanut supplier about their pricing… ;)

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legal services added nearly £60 billion ($83 billion) to the UK economy in 2018, while in 2017 exports of legal services hit £5 billion ($6.9 billion).

TheDaddy

28-07-2021 18:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36087755)

You might want to have a word with your peanut supplier about their pricing… ;)

Thing is these peanuts add up to, I see people saying well those fishermen only contribute blah or I don't care about those ex pats forced to come back because I could never do it etc but all these things represent people and there situations add up, I wonder if we'll ever say the cost isn't worth it

1andrew1

29-07-2021 09:29

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36087757)

The legal sector employs 350,000 people in the UK so that's not peanuts by any stretch of the imagination. But as you say, all the other peanuts like small companies ending exporting or fishermen throwing in the towel all add up.

The main point of my post was however to illustrate a lever the EU has on us which is not immediately apparent to most people. There will doubtless be other levers as well.

Carth

29-07-2021 09:56

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36087788)

I'm sure you'll do your best in finding them for our appraisal :D

Sephiroth

29-07-2021 09:59

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36087788)

I've quoted below an extract from your ealier post and highlighted a portion.

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...The UK dropped out of the treaty as a consequence of Brexit, and applied to rejoin in April 2020. Yet, while the non-EU signatory states (Iceland, Norway and Switzerland) agreed to its re-admission, to date the European Commission has recommended that the EU deny this request, and said that the bloc was "not in a position" to give its consent to UK accession.

..."It's politically uncomfortable for Johnson that the EU is starting to react to what it sees as our bad behavior," says Anand Menon, professor of international politics at King's College London. "Lots of Brexiteers said from the start of the Brexit process that London taking a hard-line stance wouldn't result in retaliation from Brussels. This is one of the first examples where we are being damaged internationally and the EU holds the keys, and it gives us an idea of how much they think our reputation has changed," he adds.

There is actually no reason why Brussels should be so nasty as to refuse a perfectly reasonable request. The commentator, Menon, ascribes this to the UK's "bad behaviour". Maybe he got that from an EU source - or it's his own opinion which leaves things somewhat in the air.

I don't doubt that the EU holds the key to the UK's re-admission to the legal convention - but I would expect them to clearly state what it would take from the UK to get this sorted.

1andrew1

29-07-2021 10:12

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36087795)

I don't doubt that the EU holds the key to the UK's re-admission to the legal convention - but I would expect them to clearly state what it would take from the UK to get this sorted.

The UK has provided the EU with plenty of excuses not to approve its re-admission. The situation suits the EU especially as Johnson and Frost are acting a bit rogue at the moment. Another example of the UK not holding all the cards.

Sephiroth

29-07-2021 10:24

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36087798)

But the legal convention is entirely tangential to the EU's trade agreement with us. So they're being plain nasty - punish us because they can. The EU is the enemy.

Carth

29-07-2021 10:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36087798)

Which is why quite a few of us wanted a new deck to play with, and not the one we have now with thumbnail marks on the aces :D

jonbxx

29-07-2021 11:36

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36087803)

But the legal convention is entirely tangential to the EU's trade agreement with us. So they're being plain nasty - punish us because they can. The EU is the enemy.

Not really, the Lugano Convention aids the functioning of the Single Market. Only one country has joined the convention that wasn't part of the Single Market - Poland. At that was part of the process of joining the EU.

The thinking is Single Market - Lugano Convention, third countries - Hague 2005 and 2019 Conventions

1andrew1

29-07-2021 11:51

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36087804)

Which is why quite a few of us wanted a new deck to play with, and not the one we have now with thumbnail marks on the aces :D

The country elected Johnson as a new PM but he inherited May's place at the table and at her hand as well.

Sephiroth

29-07-2021 11:56

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36087815)