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OLD BOY 10-10-2018 18:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35966041)
it parliament that the big hurdle OB that the biggest worry
TM has the task of selling this to her own party and the DUP. If she does that, it will get through Parliament.

The likes of Rees-Mogg are not as unreasonable as you may think, and if you saw him on Question Time the other week, you would see how much common sense he was speaking.

The Irish border is not the problem that it is portrayed to be. But let's humour those who think otherwise.

The Sky News report in one of the posts above regarding the transport of animals stated:

'Currently 10% of these are screened, but it would have to rise to 100%, Mr Barnier said, adding that these would amount to scanning bar codes on lorries and ferries travelling between the two.'

So, what is to stop checks from being carried out on the farms themselves rather than at the border? The bar code would be scanned at both ends, and lorries could be pulled over anywhere within the island of Ireland for a spot check. Doesn't have to be at the border at all.

There are solutions available. The EU just needs to stop being bloody minded.

---------- Post added at 18:44 ---------- Previous post was at 18:38 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35966044)
Barnier knows as well as anyone that TM could not get a breach of that red line through Parliament. He's trying it on, and it won't work.

If we maintained the Customs Union, we could not do the trade deals that makes leaving the EU a viable proposition. So as Maggie would have said, "No. No. No."

Mick 10-10-2018 21:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35966018)

Hate to disappoint but these figures are based on the actual result taken in 2016
Yet funnily enough - leave still won from that same result in 2016, that's why we are leaving, so you haven't and couldn't possibly disappoint me, given the actual result.

1andrew1 10-10-2018 23:24
Re: Brexit
 
Could some Labour MPs come to May's rescue?
Quote:
Up to 30 Labour MPs are considering defying their party leadership and voting for Theresa May’s Brexit deal — or abstaining — because they fear the economic consequences of the UK leaving the EU with no agreement.
Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, is expected to whip his MPs to vote against whatever deal the prime minister achieves because it is unlikely to meet his party’s “six tests” — in the hope that this could precipitate a general election.
But many of his own MPs are agonising about the risk of rejecting a May-brokered deal because the consequences could be a new, more Eurosceptic Conservative prime minister and a damaging no-deal Brexit.
https://www.ft.com/content/d43d2562-...6-b9069bde0956

Quote:
Brexit deal latest – 30 Labour MPs ‘set to back Theresa May in Commons vote’ because they’re scared of No Deal
Theresa May faces a rebellion from 40 of her own MPs and is hoping to cancel it out by getting Labour votes instead
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/745917...-commons-vote/

OLD BOY 11-10-2018 07:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35966065)
There could be even more than that, actually. Given how the majority of Labour voters voted in many of their constituences, they will have some explaining to do in their constituences if those MPs vote against.

Mr K 11-10-2018 07:43
Re: Brexit
 
So staying in the the Customs Union is Theresa's latest masterplan. i.e. BRINO. Was it all worth it? Got to hand it to the old girl, she's a cool Remainer cat. She doesn't need the DUP/ Brextremists, she's got Labour MPs :D
Wonder if she'll challenge Jeremy for the leadership ? ;)

denphone 11-10-2018 09:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35966078)
So staying in the the Customs Union is Theresa's latest masterplan. i.e. BRINO. Was it all worth it? Got to hand it to the old girl, she's a cool Remainer cat. She doesn't need the DUP/ Brextremists, she's got Labour MPs :D
Wonder if she'll challenge Jeremy for the leadership ? ;)
The glorious state of British politics...:td:

Sephiroth 11-10-2018 17:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35966078)
So staying in the the Customs Union is Theresa's latest masterplan. i.e. BRINO. Was it all worth it? Got to hand it to the old girl, she's a cool Remainer cat. She doesn't need the DUP/ Brextremists, she's got Labour MPs :D
Wonder if she'll challenge Jeremy for the leadership ? ;)
Good one!

OLD BOY 11-10-2018 19:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35966078)
So staying in the the Customs Union is Theresa's latest masterplan. i.e. BRINO. Was it all worth it? Got to hand it to the old girl, she's a cool Remainer cat. She doesn't need the DUP/ Brextremists, she's got Labour MPs :D
Wonder if she'll challenge Jeremy for the leadership ? ;)
No, it isn't, although there seems to be some speculation that we may stay in for a limited period. However, to me, that's just kicking the can down the road. This problem needs to be addressed now.

Dave42 11-10-2018 19:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35966137)
No, it isn't, although there seems to be some speculation that we may stay in for a limited period. However, to me, that's just kicking the can down the road. This problem needs to be addressed now.
the Ireland border is the biggest issue OB even if Brexit voters like it or not

1andrew1 11-10-2018 19:46
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35966144)
the Ireland border is the biggest issue OB even if Brexit voters like it or not
No matter how much sand you might get on your head, the Irish border problem won't go away.

richard s 11-10-2018 19:56
Re: Brexit
 
It will be solved one way or another.

Sephiroth 11-10-2018 19:57
Re: Brexit
 
The EU is scared stiff of the UK gaining competitive advantage in the longer term, imo. So if we stay in the CU pending a trade deal, they'll make sure there is no trade deal or make it so difficult that it'll take years more than is reasonable given the alignment we have now.

Best to be free from that nasty, hegemonic organisation.

1andrew1 11-10-2018 20:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35966151)
It will be solved one way or another.
By one of two ways - Bino or Brino. ;)

Dave42 12-10-2018 11:57
Re: Brexit
 
Work starts on enabling motorway to become car park to cope with no-deal Brexit

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-11/...o-deal-brexit/

so not project fear as Brexit voters keep crying it project FACT

1andrew1 12-10-2018 12:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35966223)
Work starts on enabling motorway to become car park to cope with no-deal Brexit

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-11/...o-deal-brexit/

so not project fear as Brexit voters keep crying it protect FACT
Not only that, the local MP only found out about the work once it had started. The Government tried to hide it to prevent Brexit becoming even more unpopular!
Quote:
Speaking in the Commons, Mr Tugendhat said: "It's come to a pretty pass when a member finds out that works have begun on a motorway to turn that motorway into a parking lot without consultation either with the local community or with surrounding members.
"The M26 works started last night. I wrote to (Mr Grayling) in April asking whether or not this would happen.
"I was assured the works were not planned and only yesterday was it confirmed to me that Highways England had said that is exactly what was planned, despite having told me the reverse a week earlier."
He urged Mr Grayling to explain how the planning permission was granted with "no consultation".
https://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-11/...o-deal-brexit/


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