Cable Forum - Russia has invaded Ukraine

Lets be honest, they stopped them advancing with their own weapons when the west gave them three days max before being overwhelmed, now they've turned it into one of those horrific wars of attrition with the average to low grade weaponary we've supplied, they quite possibly will win when they are given hi grade weapons, bit of a race against time though to get them trained before the Russian terror tactics start working on the population, bomb shopping centres, schools, power plants well out of the way of fighting in the hope enough of the population demand the war stops, it worked in Syria

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While the world's gaze is away they are up to all sorts, hoovering up all the fish in the pacific, creating islands and claiming territory, not to mention they're seeing if the wests hearts in it, if we can't handle rising energy prices how will we support a war to defend Taiwan

Well the US trained HIMARS crews are doing well so far (9 systems) and the crews for the rest are being trained ready for delivery. Don't underestimate what has already been done.

Chris

13-07-2022 20:30

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36128210)

Well the US trained HIMARS crews are doing well so far (9 systems) and the crews for the rest are being trained ready for delivery. Don't underestimate what has already been done.

20 significant, high-value targets destroyed so far (big supply depots mostly), all well behind Russian lines. The Russian war machine depends entirely on the ability to flatten towns and cities with artillery so there’s literally nothing left to defend. But if they’re deprived of artillery shells, they’re stuffed. And some of the explosions you can easily find on YouTube or Twatter represent a *lot* of artillery shells.

Pierre

13-07-2022 22:32

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I can't see it extended beyond Ukraine. I also can't see what is it in for China to fund Russia's war when Russia's resources become strained.

Russia is the worlds second biggest supplier of energy. Their resources will not be strained…….as long as they have customers.

China will just dictate terms to Russia, they’ll purchase energy in Renminbi, not dollars or Roubles. They’ll strengthen their currency.

Western economies are under pressure, especially with COVID, Russia and Net Zero. You have pick which battle you want to fight. Never fight a war on two fronts.

Battle Putin, or battle climate change. We need to park Net-Zero, bring power stations back online. Make fuel affordable get the western economies moving, supply chains moving.

We can worry about the debatable issues Climate Change presents later, we need to sort Russia first.

pip08456

15-07-2022 14:51

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Reznikov confident Ukraine will receive more HIMARS, including 300 kilometers-range version.

"We give them (the U.S.) proof that we can use it with precision and sophistication and we get more, and longer range,” Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov told the Financial Times.

Possibility Ukraine is about to commence offensive operations.

Source Kyiv Independant.

Damien

19-07-2022 07:51

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https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/st...79577884790784.

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Excl: Ukraine is preparing to destroy the Russian navy’s Black Sea fleet with western weapons and take back Crimea, Kyiv’s deputy defence minister tells @thetimes

Jaymoss

19-07-2022 08:22

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How is it tactical to tell the enemy what you are about to do? blatant propaganda. It is like a boxer telegraphing a punch

1andrew1

19-07-2022 08:27

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36128749)

How is it tactical to tell the enemy what you are about to do? blatant propaganda. It is like a boxer telegraphing a punch

Morale is very important hence statements like this.

Jaymoss

19-07-2022 08:42

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128750)

Morale is very important hence statements like this.

"Hey Mr Russians I need to cheer our men up so I am going to broadcast our plans. Please ignore"

1andrew1

19-07-2022 08:56

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"Hey Mr Russians I need to cheer our men up so I am going to broadcast our plans. Please ignore"

Nope, more about demoralising the Russians.

As a Russian, why sign up with that as a prospect? Shows it's not going to be a temporary special operation where you can make some easy money but a long-term commitment.

Jaymoss

19-07-2022 09:21

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Dunno why you are arguing with me cuz like I originally said PROPAGANDA

1andrew1

19-07-2022 09:46

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36128756)

Dunno why you are arguing with me cuz like I originally said PROPAGANDA

This is a discussion forum and we're discussing a topic. :)

Stating propaganda in one sentence doesn't mean that I have to agree with all your subsequent posts.

Jaymoss

19-07-2022 09:55

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This is a discussion forum and we're discussing a topic. :)

Stating propaganda in one sentence doesn't mean that I have to agree with all your subsequent posts.

But the point is you are agreeing with me you are just arguing semantics and mansplaining the point I had already made by just using one word

I just realised you actually thought I thought they were really giving away their plans. Awww bless

tweetiepooh

19-07-2022 10:23

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If you want to clear an area of enemy ships so you can get through you could tell them that you now have the weapons to reach them in that area. Doesn't really matter if you can't and long as you can make them think you can. Of course is does help if you can do at least some damage in case they need a bit of encouragement.

pip08456

19-07-2022 10:24

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It looks like the bottom of the barrel is being scraped.

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Desperate to reinforce its battered forces in Ukraine, the Kremlin is raising scores of volunteer battalions—and plans to rush them to the front after just 30 days of training.

A month isn’t enough to train an individual recruit in a soldier’s individual tasks—to say nothing of training the battalion as a whole to fight and survive against battle-hardened Ukrainian formations.

“This drive will likely produce ‘soldiers’ of lower quality than the normal conscripts,” the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for the Study of War explained.

Cannon fodder comes to mind.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=2f0e6bb9701b