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Kursk 28-01-2018 21:29

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35934456)
A rout for one side or the other in the referendum would have been far more preferable to the result we got imo, would've made what followed far less messy

The majority decision to Leave was a clear enough mandate; it's the subsequent remoaning that's confusing you (as is the intention).

But my real point is that the remoaning has buggered up the forum.

1andrew1 28-01-2018 21:32

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35934418)
I'm sure it is in countries in receipt of EU largess.:erm:

From the research that followed in this thread, it looks like it was just the UK that was in favour of leaving. :erm:

OLD BOY 28-01-2018 21:57

Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35934469)
From the research that followed in this thread, it looks like it was just the UK that was in favour of leaving. :erm:

I think we will all see that changing once the UK leaves the EU and prospers.

The EU has nothing to offer as it stands. It needs to change or it will disintegrate.

The only real question is, how quickly?

Mr K 28-01-2018 21:58

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35934468)
But my real point is that the remoaning has buggered up the forum.

Sounds like you want an echo chamber ! The public is split, shouldn't the forum reflect that ?

1andrew1 28-01-2018 22:19

Re: Brexit discussion
 
This to me is the Brexit problem.
https://twitter.com/lasancmt/status/955038018737442816

Damien 28-01-2018 23:14

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35934475)
I think we will all see that changing once the UK leaves the EU and prospers.

The EU has nothing to offer as it stands. It needs to change or it will disintegrate.

The only real question is, how quickly?

One thing I think we underestimate in the UK, Remain or Leave, is the emotional aspect of the EU for those on the continent. Remainers largely focused on the economic aspect whereas Leavers focused no the control/legal aspect.

But we could be overlooking the importance of the concept on those on the continent. The EU was set-up by a generation who grew up in the aftermath of WW2 and is currently run by a generation who grew up in a Europe divided by the Berlin Wall.

Stuff like that might explain why the EU can be quite unpopular in these countries but support for leaving it be so low because it represents something more to them than just the institutions...

1andrew1 29-01-2018 00:47

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Meanwhile, back at the Coalition of Chaos
Brexiteers who accused MPs of 'selling out' over £39bn EU bill branded 'swivel-eyed' old men by senior minister

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35934487)
One thing I think we underestimate in the UK, Remain or Leave, is the emotional aspect of the EU for those on the continent. Remainers largely focused on the economic aspect whereas Leavers focused no the control/legal aspect.

But we could be overlooking the importance of the concept on those on the continent. The EU was set-up by a generation who grew up in the aftermath of WW2 and is currently run by a generation who grew up in a Europe divided by the Berlin Wall.

Stuff like that might explain why the EU can be quite unpopular in these countries but support for leaving it be so low because it represents something more to them than just the institutions...

I think you're right, Damien. To many on the Continent, the EU offers peace. For those in central and eastern Europe, it provides security from the threat of Russia and a badge of status.

When Old Boy says "The EU has nothing to offer as it stands" he is self-projecting. People in these countries believe otherwise.

Kursk 29-01-2018 01:54

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35934476)
Sounds like you want an echo chamber ! The public is split, shouldn't the forum reflect that ?

How droll :monkey:

Hugh 29-01-2018 02:02

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35934500)
How droll :monkey:

But true

Kursk 29-01-2018 02:03

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35934501)
But true

What's true?

denphone 29-01-2018 05:32

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35934476)
Sounds like you want an echo chamber ! The public is split, shouldn't the forum reflect that ?

Its what you call democracy Mr K as most have accepted the referendum result but some want to reduce the debate to little more then what they want to say and not what they want to hear.;)

TheDaddy 29-01-2018 08:31

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35934468)
The majority decision to Leave was a clear enough mandate; it's the subsequent remoaning that's confusing you (as is the intention).

But my real point is that the remoaning has buggered up the forum.

Hardly a rout was it and it wasn't a clear enough mandate for Nigel who considers 52% - 48% unfinished business.

I don't recall remoaners mobbing people of the forum because they'd had the temerity to post a few graphs or link to a newspaper that questioned the education levels of people that voted leave, still YMMV of course

Kursk 29-01-2018 13:46

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35934501)
But true

What's true, Hugh? :shrug:
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35934506)
Its what you call democracy Mr K as most have accepted the referendum result but some want to reduce the debate to little more then what they want to say and not what they want to hear.;)

Is any of that true? :shrug: Look up 'democracy' and 'majority' then look up 'referendum result' and 'acceptance' then look up 'gibberish'.
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35934511)
Hardly a rout was it and it wasn't a clear enough mandate for Nigel who considers 52% - 48% unfinished business.

Nigel is self-promoting don't you think? :shrug:
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35934511)
I don't recall remoaners mobbing people of the forum because they'd had the temerity to post a few graphs or link to a newspaper that questioned the education levels of people that voted leave, still YMMV of course

I don't recall that either? :shrug:

ianch99 29-01-2018 20:45

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35934538)
What's true, Hugh? :shrug:

Is any of that true? :shrug: Look up 'democracy' and 'majority' then look up 'referendum result' and 'acceptance' then look up 'gibberish'.

Nigel is self-promoting don't you think? :shrug:

I don't recall that either? :shrug:

I sense selective amnesia: "What? ... I don't recall ..." :)

You seem to forget there are those that moaned and complained for 40 years after the vote to join the Common Market. I missed the post where you affirmed that any dissent after this vote was anti-democractic?

Dave42 29-01-2018 21:12

Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35934584)
I sense selective amnesia: "What? ... I don't recall ..." :)

You seem to forget there are those that moaned and complained for 40 years after the vote to join the Common Market. I missed the post where you affirmed that any dissent after this vote was anti-democractic?

hit nail on head remember the Brextremists only think one vote counts and no one has right to say anything about it


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