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OLD BOY 04-12-2018 10:03
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35973648)
Spot on Andrew but alas any constructive criticism of some of the incumbent governments policies and its the usual predictable flag waving default response from him.

l will criticise a policy whichever party it is if l think there is a problem with that policy but the Conservatives are the incumbent sitting government so the buck stops with them as its their policies that are playing out in the country currently.
That makes any argument one-sided, but if that's how you like to run your arguments, at least now we know.

I mean, blaming the Conservatives for actions they had to take to save the economy from Labour's overspending is rather a good wheeze for those on the other side of the argument, isn't it?

denphone 04-12-2018 10:21
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35973670)
That makes any argument one-sided, but if that's how you like to run your arguments, at least now we know.

I mean, blaming the Conservatives for actions they had to take to save the economy from Labour's overspending is rather a good wheeze for those on the other side of the argument, isn't it?
l will criticise any other party which l have before quite a few times if you open your pretty blinkered mind and as for one sided arguments well you are pretty much the expert at that as you praise government policy after policy without any hint of criticism for any of their policies..

OLD BOY 04-12-2018 10:27
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35973681)
l will criticise any other party which l have before quite a few times if you open your pretty blinkered mind and as for one sided arguments well you are pretty much the expert at that as you praise government policy after policy without any hint of criticism for any of their policies..
I have voted both Conservative and Labour previously, so not as 'one-sided' as you claim. I am not an apologist for the Conservatives, but they are the most credible party of all of them right now.

All I am saying is that all arguments should be in context.

denphone 04-12-2018 10:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35973684)
I have voted both Conservative and Labour previously, so not as 'one-sided' as you claim. I am not an apologist for the Conservatives, but they are the most credible party of all of them right now.

All I am saying is that all arguments should be in context.
l am not calling you this or that OB but just pointing out to you my thoughts on the governments policies but that does not mean l am happy with some of the oppositions policies either as remember all of us are individuals and each individual will have his own rational reasons where he or she puts their vote at the end of the day and they should not be lambasted for that.

Damien 05-12-2018 08:03
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So now what?

Looks like the DUP will vote against the government all the time but for confidence and supply motions ensuring they can't do anything but also we can't elect a new one.

denphone 05-12-2018 08:15
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We are pretty much in uncharted waters to where we go from here as your guess is as good as mine as to what will happen in these coming weeks and months.

denphone 05-03-2019 17:31
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Tories suspend 14 members over alleged Islamophobia.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lamophobia#_=_

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Sayeeda Warsi, a former Conservative party chairman, repeated her calls for the party to hold an inquiry into Islamophobia, saying it had “a deep-rooted problem of anti-Muslim comments, Islamophobic comments, racist comments”.
It seems the Conservatives have just as much a problem with Islamophobia as Labour has with Antisemitism.

heero_yuy 05-03-2019 17:41
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Quote from denphone:


It seems the Conservatives have just as much a problem with Islamophobia as Labour has with Antisemitism.
However the difference is that it is the followers of Islam that keep trying to kill us.

OLD BOY 05-03-2019 19:26
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35985436)
Tories suspend 14 members over alleged Islamophobia.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lamophobia#_=_



It seems the Conservatives have just as much a problem with Islamophobia as Labour has with Antisemitism.
The whole nation, including the Labour Party, has a problem with Islam because of its association with Al Queda and ISIS. It wasn't like this until the Twin Towers incident changed everything.

If you have an enemy, the tendency is for people to hate the religion or philosophy that caused it, even though this might be a blunt instrument.

Incidentally, just to make clear, it is not Islam that is the problem but the perverse interpretation of it by extremists. They are the real enemy.

jfman 05-03-2019 19:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985458)
The whole nation, including the Labour Party, has a problem with Islam because of its association with Al Queda and ISIS. It wasn't like this until the Twin Towers incident changed everything.

If you have an enemy, the tendency is for people to hate the religion or philosophy that caused it, even though this might be a blunt instrument.

Incidentally, just to make clear, it is not Islam that is the problem but the perverse interpretation of it by extremists. They are the real enemy.
Maybe the real problem is the politicians and the media who are happy to scapegoat then give platforms to the loudest right wing idiots to dog whistle from?

denphone 05-03-2019 19:50
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985464)
Maybe the real problem is the politicians and the media who are happy to scapegoat then give platforms to the loudest right wing idiots to dog whistle from?
Here are the latest statistics regarding Terrorism in Great Britain.

https://researchbriefings.files.parl...3/CBP-7613.pdf

denphone 05-04-2019 07:28
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Labour holds on to Newport West seat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-47786885

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...h-jones-brexit

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Labour saw its majority over the Conservatives fall to 1,951 from 5,658 at the 2017 general election. Mr Flynn had held the seat since 1987.
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All three leading parties claimed they were satisfied with the result but expressed concern about the mood they had come across while campaigning, anger that was reflected in a poor turnout of just 37%, compared with 67.5% in the 2017 general election.
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Conservative candidate Matthew Evans, the leader of the opposition on Newport city council, polled 7,357 (31%) votes. He said what was happening in Westminster had not helped his chances. “I’ve never known such anger and frustration,” he said. “What I’ve heard on the doorstep is that people want decisions made. People just want clarity and I’ve seen no appetite for another referendum or a general election.”

jfman 05-04-2019 08:02
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Poor show from UKIP, despite a high profile candidate.

denphone 05-04-2019 08:05
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990042)
Poor show from UKIP, despite a high profile candidate.
When it comes down to the nitty gritty voters shy away from their extreme policies.

Chris 05-04-2019 08:10
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Difficult to crunch the numbers in any meaningful way given the poor turnout but it represents a 2.4% swing to the Tories, which ain’t half bad given the extended panto season underway at the Palace of Westminster.

Having said that, Labour and Tory both lost vote share; it just happens that Labour lost a lot more (which again, is kind of notable given that so many card-carrying Labour Party members still think Jezza is the messiah).

UKIP’s votes, had they gone to the Tory, would have made this a Conservative win last night. Something Tory strategists should be thinking very carefully about if an election occurs before Brexit does.


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