Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

NewsreadeR that would have been better to pm them with sorry.

yeah it`s back thank you mod`s.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Dude, your actions don't make sense. You have wasted a lot of people's time by choosing when and what you like to see posted. If it means a ban for me then so be it. Your members make the forum, not moderating decisions.

/rant mode off

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I don't believe it would have been, those who take the time to register and post, should not have to wonder which website the next reply is going to be made on.

I have said my peace and I will now let it go.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

We make the moderating decisions, not you.

Very good idea.

The thread is now open, apologies to all for the confusion, the topic is Phorm in case people had forgotten.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well hello again everyone.
:erm:
Here we are again.

Phorm is still out there.
:mad:
BT execs are preparing for their big speeches at the AGM, and hopefully their little speeches to Metropolitan policemen once the prosecution file has been read.
;)
And Phorm are losing money fast.
:D

When there was a hiatus here, which looked absolutely permanent
:(
although it turns out to have been temporary,
:confused:
the thread transferred to noDPI.org and went here - https://nodpi.org/forum/on-topic/con...-thread/page-1

and has got quite busy.
:cool:
No doubt there will be a sizeable discussion there about here.
;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Firstly may I thank the moderators for reconsidering their decision.

Secondly may I make an appeal that they (and I am sure they are aware of this already) understand that many pro Phorm PR activists would love to see this thread closed and that they, the CFT, please bear this in mind in relation to any abnormal postings with a possible intent to provoke its closure.

By and large this thread had been on track and I certainly hope it will stay that way.

So come on guys and gals, lets not forget that the issue we have to fight and discuss is Phorm / Webwise and its possible illegal adoption by any ISP's.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just a question re Placards. Is anyone bringing loads of them for the protest or should we try and make out own?


And

Thank you for re-opening the forum

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I will be bringing a dozen with me but people are welcome to make their own.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I for one will be there (my lunch break) with my prosumer DSLR to take some shots of you motley crew.

What time are the speakers Mr Hanff ?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The Baroness is 1:15pm, I will be giving a speech too as will Jason from UKFSN but I haven't set a time for those yet as they are more flexible and there is still the possibility that another Peer will be speaking so I want to make sure we can accomodate their schedule if they turn up.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I for one wont be there hospital appointments and what not but we be watching the news,
so good luck and smile a lot.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thanks for the info - noDPI.org is a better place to discuss phorm/webwise. I'm going to start following the thread you linked to.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

This is the correct place if you want a discussion in a neutral environment, that way it stops from getting to fanatical and adds credance to the anti-phorm movement, but people have to respect the rules.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I would like thank the Mods for reconsidering this thread.

Just to open the discussion with one about phorm in general...

With the revamp all logos have gone but I noticed this:
If they are agreeing to pay BT in $ they might not be getting as much as they first expected..

Right now 100 USdollars is

50.146 UK Pounds (GBP) is equal to 100 US Dollars (USD)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

that is a misleading quote as the 41 billion dollars is the global spend on internet advertising, not OIX total revenue that the ISP's would share

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Am I right in believing that you intend to close this Phorm thread midweek?

Bob aka TGLS

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:shocked:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Good point... (And on topic which is good!) Anyone know what OIX's share of the market actually is...? What number should they be quoting as "the pie that ISPs can get a slice of"?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just to remind everyone, I will be taking part in Steve Gibson's Security Now! podcast tomorrow evening (7pm our time). I have just had a test call with Steve using Skype and it went very well, he was suprised at the quality of the audio and bandwidth despite our geographical distance from each other.

You can all watch the podcast on http://twitlive.tv as it is being recorded and there is even a chat application embedded into the web page so you can engage the presenters as the show is being recorded.

Hope to see many of you in there.

I will be doing an article on Thursday covering the Security Now! Podcasts and hosting them directly on the NoDPI web site as the set of 3 podcasts.

Incidentally, Security Now! has 110 000 active listeners, so this is a good opportunity to increase public awareness.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Kerching kerching kerching ----> Computer says; nil.

OIX hasn't launched yet, because they've got no ISPs operational (thank God).

Quoting the global figure in dollars sounds like big money. If you quote the global spend in rupees, its even better. Around 1.7 TRILLION RUPEES.

But OIX is still, currently, worthless even in rupees.

:)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thread continued here:-


https://nodpi.org/forum/on-topic/con...-thread/page-1




[Moderator Edit (Rob M): Link fixed]

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You beat me to it :)

Even if they say they have people signed up to OIX, without delivering adverts there is zero revenue.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well I suppose we ought not be surprised, I mean...

http://www.phorm.com/about/introducing/OIX.html

If you click on the "Skip Animation" guess what happens... You get more animation LOL. Like adverts, just annoying!

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just registered :tu:

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You have a pm.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Has there been a complete list of speakers drawn up for Wednesday's demonstration? I know some names have been mentioned but I wonder if there is a programme, running order type thing compiled?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Currently there are 3 verified speakers and speeches will take place between 12-2pm with Baroness Miller scheduled to speak at 1:15pm.

I haven't scheduled time slots for the other 2 yet as there is the possibility another Peer will be joining us and I need to make sure I can accomodate their schedule if they can make it.

If any of you guys would like to speak you are of course welcome just drop me a PM and we will get it organised, this is afterall a public protest it is only fair the public be given the opportunity to "have their say" but I have promised the local residents that speeches will only be 12-2pm so whereas it is a reasonable window it is limited to 2 hours.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

one thing i am not sure of is if someone like the FT is signed up for phorm / OIX, they have a default advert as a placeholder waiting to be replaced by a relevant advert (if / when BT WebWise comes live), do phorm get any income from this advert or do they only get income when this default advert is replaced with a more relevant one

if so what is the mechanism for choosing this default advert, is it set by the site owner directly or is it just a random one from any advertiser who has placed an advert via OIX

i would also assume this advert is at a flat rate and not the premium as no auction has taken place for the targeted space and audience so minimal income at this point for both site owner and phorm and no income for the ISP

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There was somat about the isp getting 85m over 4 years, peanuts when they got to house the gear and power it and cool it and what not, and that was when it was opt out. it`s buried in this thread way back.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

thats the revenue for premium targeted adverts, not the prabably lower income from the default adverts

even 10% of that 8.5million more than covers hosting / power costs just

it then depends on cost of maintenance by phorm as to whether it is economically viable

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Received from BT

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The advertisers on iii, Dianomioffers, have published their whois data;

Dianomioffers who is

Same address as the Embassy Of The Republic Of Georgia?!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

well is it with opt IN ?

If your using FF you should be using this
 

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/

The Dephormation Add On ensures that your decision to permanently opt out of Phorm profiling cannot be undone in Firefox.

I have this running and I keep getting OIX warnings on this site..............

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have always read the OIX as being a tracking script, whether you are with a phormed ISP or not. Just the ISP customers will be tracked a whole lot more.

As tracking scripts have access to the browser DOM they can pick up little bits of info like which site you were on before you visited the current page - url content can give away some info about your interests too, i.e. one advert can track you for the current page content plus keywords in url of previous page viewed.

With so many dynamic scripts now putting the title into the url, that can give a fair bit of information.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

NP thanks, just trying to help as im sure everyone else is ;)

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I seemed to have that very problem on this site earlier, I made a post about something (with the dephormation add-on disabled) and the URL I typed was altered in some way (i had been on ebay earlier and the URL I posted took ppl there)

Very weird, I will be extra careful in the future...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

AFAIK that was due to the auctionads mod... it saw your link for thepiratebay contained "ebay" & tried to turn it into an auctionads referral link... never happened before AFAIK, so may be a quirk of vB 3.7.x. Something for Paul M to check/fix.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:) @ Moderators - appreciation society checking back in on the monster thread. Thank you for returning this thread.
It is a valuable resource for the purpose of anti-phorm technology, not only for the content contributed by all so far, but also for the gathered readership and supporters. Yes there are more dedicated sites we all advertise in our own way but this site I think is the biggest focal point for 'the massive'.
I personally have introduced hundreds via my chosen profession and family/friends around the globe, some of which at the oposite end of the earth, and indirectly via those probably many more. To lose this as a point of contact (even though it is becoming fairly unmanageable) would be a great shame and would scatter much of the support.
I think most of us realise you as moderators have a bit of a nightmare keeping track of this which has become more serious than your average daily gripes on broadband speed, and a hell of a lot more political with potential threats and deceipts. But please, if you are going to get heavy, wipe the individual, not the thread.
Thank you again.
And apologies if this detracts from whatever has been said whilst typing this post, I have only just caught up again :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi Guys

Due to the Finance involved, I cannot attend the Demo (4x everything - its proven far too much)

If anyone who is attending would like to PM me, who is willing to contact me at a regular basis, I hope to create a Blog as things happen.

I will copy all the details into ALL the relevant Threads covering the Phorm Debate.

Sammy

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

good to see those of us who want MAC codes are not the only ones getting the "our systems are down and we can't process your request" message from BT look at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07..._wont_connect/ seems thay need to get some reliable computers, or get some decent switches (preferably not layer 7 from phorm) to give them a reliable network, i also see a standard response
*******
"expect normal system service to resume shortly".

This looks like pushing the definition of "shortly" pretty hard. We called again today and BT had no better timescale to offer.
**********

does this use of "shortly" sound familar, the trials will start "shortly" :LOL:

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've uploaded the Home Office FoI responses received so far to Dephormation

See here for details.

The incomplete FoI response is subject to a formal internal review, which may not complete until September.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Nothing to do with vb 3.7, but it does look like a small quirk of the auction ads mod. :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Discussion of the ebay adchoice system should continue http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/25...ng-system.html

Recent posts on this matter have been moved to that thread.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I will be unable to attend hospital appointment it has only taken 2 years to reach this far and would hate to ask them to change it.
I will then be away for a few days so lets keep this on topic..

I will be working on the transcript again today sop all being well and no more uninvited guests when done will upload and post a link to it.
Alex if you could quickly check it all incase we missed the odd word just to be sure sin ce you were there and mioght notice if we picked up a word wrong.

Wish he would use some smaller words gof where did he get some of his words... :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thanks to a post at nodpi for this link. An interesting read about the campaigners at
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ne...ition-400.html

KE "We actually protect privacy better than anyone out there but because we raised the debate there has been a vocal minority which has attracted media attention that don't understand what we do and misrepresent us."

"We then see what sites they look at so we can understand what they are interested in. We store the things they are interested in, not the actual sites...."

Also, "We'd love Phorm to join us and they've introduced themselves to us but they're not a member and they're not an applicant," reveals IASH chairman, James Aitken. - Internet Advertising Sale Houses (IASH)

And, is the BT protest being written off before it has even started?
"Against this background Phorm and BT executives will no doubt be interested to see if a planned demonstration against BT's intended roll out of the technology "in the next few weeks" goes ahead tomorrow at its AGM."

It never ceases to amaze me. KE seems to have completely forgotten what the equipment installed by the ISP is doing and is capable of doing. How does he keep getting the wrong end of the whole argument?

If someone had talked the ISPs into popping up a survey page asking visitors to the ISP's site their general interests and getting them to tick a box to agree to accept a cookie and have ads related to their interests popping up around the internet in exchange for a commission percentage to the ISP, then that person would be being hailed as a hero of privacy and opt-in choice. Lots of other sites would also be clambering to host the profitable little pop-up on their sites too. So close, yet so far.

[And, if anybody does set up this business model: you read it here first and I want my share of the profits for providing the idea.]
Oops, I am forgetting. The internet used to be full of annoying little pop-ups that resulted in advertising scripts following us around the internet and popping up even more little pop-ups full of adverts that we did not dare go anywhere near in case they downloaded a rootkit onto our computers.

It takes humans a long time to evolve.
First we bought newspapers because we wanted news. Then newspapers started to subsidise the cost by carrying ads in the blank spaces. People were happy because no one wanted to buy a paper full of white space and the ads were a way for businesses to share their news and keep down the cost of the newspaper.
Then the internet came along and we discovered that websites carried news/information about products that we were interested in and if we were really responsive to that information we may even have gone so far as to look at their advertisement showing us what price they sold the product at. Yes, we actively went looking for these ads and search engines evolved to help us find them.
Then some fool decided to fill our faces with ads that we were not looking for and we have been blocking them ever since.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Another vote for academic / technical breach of copyright

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That bit in bold. That is factually wrong. More factually wrong than the statement "Elvis lives!".

More wrong than you could possibly ever be wrong.

And perhaps I may be able prove it soon, with a little help from a friend. :angel:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

From

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ne...ition-400.html

Finally opt-in model confirmed by Kent. Thats got to hurt.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No the system is still very much Opt-Out he is just being very careful to avoid using the words Opt-Out. If you read the updates to their web site he completely obfuscates the matter of opt-in/opt-out to try and remove focus from it.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

As posted to NoDPI, London Stock Exchange is showing a small sale of PHRX stock today at a 12 month low price (£12.83)

PHRX is the unrestricted stock.

09:43:26 15-Jul-2008, £12.83.33, 150, £1,925.00, Ordinary Trade

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK I need someone to volunteer to send out a press release, I was going to do it myself but I am just completely overloaded with thing to do in time for tomorrow morning, so if someone can take this task off my hands it would be very much appreciated.

It needs to go to as many press/media newsrooms as possible including online press. Madslug has been working on a list of contacts if you contact her I am sure she would be happy to pass them on to you.

Ideally this needs to go out within the next 2 hours at the latest. Unfortunately I have been running around all day sorting out printing issues, getting the generator for the speeches and a whole bunch of other things. It looks like our original printer has let us down (no contact in the last 2 days and I was supposed to be going to Manchester to pick them up this morning) so I have had to organise printing from elsewhere at the last minute which is unfortunately taking up all my time at the moment.

Please let me know if you are going to take on the press release job so I know it is being dealt with.

Thanks

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'll back that comment. BT have also, even following the ICO, consistently and continuously FAILED to change their official public stance on opt-in/opt-out/not opted-in etc. for the Phorm product. As far as I can see, the trial is definitely opt-IN (with technical holes) but the final product is anyone's guess - they are not publicly committed to obeying the ICO's requirement for Opt-IN.

They have simply said - the phorm/webwise TRIAL will be "opt-IN" but then declined to discuss the cookie arrangements except to say that if you are opted in then block the relevant domains, you will be unable to browse. That's on record.

I suspect they don't want the issue discussed in any way, because of course it impacts on the legality/illegality arguments about their covert trials which were of course, no opt-in/out at all. So while they are worrying about the police knocking at the door, they can't really afford to publicly backtrack and accept the legal requirement that legality requires informed consent and opt-IN.

They have also refused to clarify what tracking/profiling/ is done on those who NEVER opt-in to the trial (they use obfuscated language that APPEARS to say that they don't touch you - but the argument has enough wriggle room for a Routemaster to get through sideways).

They also are very careful to use vague words with no clear technical definition for the activity of intercepting/tracking/profiling/copying. You can never work out exactly what they mean. They will never say what packets go where in an unambiguous clear sentence.

They BT - have also said they are "working on" a cookie free system for opting in/out for the possible final rollout, and have never answered any technical questions on the topic.

They have also been very careful to use vague hard to define language whenever talking about opt-in/out/not opt-in/choice - as slippery as a bowl of spilt custard on top of a floor covered in diesel oil.

As always - its the questions they WON'T answer and the things they DON'T say, that give the game away.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have sent a short Press Release to Regional Newspapers and Radio Stations in Scotland.

The Press release can be viewed on the badphorm Blog:

http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...als.php?blog.2

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Can anyone help compile Regional lists of Newspapers, Radio and TV Stations please.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sent the press release to Manchester evening news

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

el reg today http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...annual_report/
not sure if it old or posted before
full report i think here http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documen...rt_2007_08.pdf

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Also everyone going should have a look at this pic (click to zoom):
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8...8885uh7.th.jpg

Look from the bottom left, you see the metal studs in the ground. This marks the seperation of Barbican(private) land and public land.

No protesting on the Barbican side of this line.

For pics of the protest site see:

http://badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugins/f...topic.php?7287

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://forums.pcw.co.uk/thread.jspa?...39246&tstart=0

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

About to start the Security Now podcast, hit http://twitlive.tv to see the podcast recorded live and interact via their chat room.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Good luck Alex, see you tommorow around 12 ish.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Good luck Alex - will grab the mp3 of the cast later, the live feed is lagging/stuttering something fierce. Am sure someone will be kind enough to link it once available ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've just listened to the podcast at TWiT Live, Alex that was brilliant, you managed to covered just about every aspect of Phorm.

Good luck tomorrow

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I agree, well done Alex.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

sounded damn good to me Alex your cred is surely rising day by day now phorm were exposed globally.My hat is off to you sir:):angel:

Bob aka TGLS

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Nice one Alex.

My wife asks if she makes a few cucumber/tomato sandwiches, if the protesting group would also like some :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hehe, it's a nice offer but I have to confess I really can't eat cucumber.

And thanks for the feedback on the podcast, I turned twitlive off just before they called to make sure there were no bandwidth issues so I didn't get a chance to see what people were saying in the chat room.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Superb Alex, and dont know if anyone else noticed privacy_matters injecting help and info on the chat line, nice :) (BTW Callailly said would follow up on your links after the show :))

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Only if it has fresh salmon on as well.

Great podcast Alex, and the recognition, as well as the compliments they paid at the end was awesome.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK, I'll have a small selection anyway, Cucumber, Red Leicester and Tomato, Ham and Tomato(no salmon in the fridge, sorry). I'm bringing a cooler bag to chuck some water etc also as it will be a hot day.

Placard made today :), should be fun. I'll hopefully arrive just before 10.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

My placards are a bit posh. A3 full colour laminated placards screwed onto 4 foot lengths of dowel hehe. I wanted to make sure they were weather proof but also that they were not too heavy, so hopefully if people are bringing their kids they will be able to have a bit a fun and get involved as well. You can bet if kids are there they will want to hold a placard, I know my son would.

Because of the emergency flier situation I found myself in today I had to get the fliers printed on A4 as opposed to A5 so now I am in the process of hand guilotining about 1300-1400 fliers, it's gonna take a little while.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I am still waiting for VM to renounce Phorm and ask for my forgiveness.:angel:

Seriously, I really wonder if they have any idea of the outrage that will hit them if they suddenly came out of the closet and went actively pro-phorm again. I suspect the backlash would be a hell of a lot worse than is currently targeted towards BT.

As education grows about who is, what is, and why Phorm / Webwise exists, the backlash would surely be a lot bigger than it was originally before VM went quiet on the issue.

While Virgin Media are having this honeymoon period, possibly sitting on the fence, many cable customers, myself included, are secretly hoping VM will see sense and suddenly announce that Phorm has gone away.

Imagine if suddenly after this relatively 'quiet' period VM suddenly came off the fence and went pro-Phorm again. I think many customers would go ballistic. They would feel cheated, hurt and very angry.

While many of us cable customers have been following the BT tests and the current issues, we have been learning. Learning what to do. learning about DPA notices, learning how to get Freedom of Information requests and many, many other things.

So if VM think for one second that the BT storm would act as some form of cushion if somehow (can't see it myself) BT could pull through this one, I will suggest now that they should think seriously about it again.

Phorm / Webwise and DPI of this nature will never be considered acceptable on our VM cable network.

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Well - badphorm had a great deal of visitors during the show :angel:

How did nodpi do Alex? And do you have the latest stats?

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did mine turn up ok alex??

peter

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Yup and thanks :)

Alexander Hanff

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Yes we were busy, have been for the last couple of days, pulling in close to 10 000 visit a day at the moment. Seems a lot of people have subscribed to the RSS as well, RSS traffic is way up on last month.

Alexander Hanff

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Ok

In my view. its been too long since some info regarding Virgin Media has been posted. Personally I am going to start writing emails again, and put some questions back to Virgin - to see if they will at least make some sort of Public acknowledgement/Denial in regards of Phorm.

I feel that the more of us do this, the better as we may get something form them.

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I've gone for A1 card and used rasterbator to print an A1 image across 4 A3 sheets. Doesn't look too bad :D

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I know some people will not be coming to the event until lunch time, but could I ask that everyone who is planning on arriving early, if you could try to get there as close to 10am as possible it would be a huge help in handing out fliers to BT shareholders on their way in to the AGM.

Also Channel 4 will be arriving around 10:30 so the more people we have there the better with regards to their coverage of the issue.

Also I will be looking for a couple of volunteers to wear a flourescent yellow waist coat, it is to identify us with the police should they need to talk to us about anything. I will be wearing one and I have 2 others.

Thanks

Alexander Hanff

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You better hope it is not windy hehe

Alexander Hanff

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Good Luck! I hope all goes well. :)

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any advance on A1 posters,

<joke>
how about draping a big banner on the front of the barbican or wrapping the BT tower
</joke>

peter

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any one know where to get the full podcast from was trying to register for chat after seeing friendly names .also when I checked back after Alex speaking I head what I think was an ad for tomorrow just caught leo saying "badphorm" and the date

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I though you came across very well Alex.

I thought your point about the US politicians having a lot more IT knowledge than ours was maybe a little amusing to Steve G. What he/they did not realise was that you meant relative knowledge :-)

Compared to our lot they must have infinitesimally so much more.

Good luck again tomorrow, I don't think you need it. The law is the law and I hope the BT 'get out of jail' cards are removed from the pack you are handing over to the police.

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just use the link below:

http://twit.tv/sites/all/themes/twit.../podcast_2.jpg

It will be podcast 153 - still to be edited though, just keep checking.

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Great link posted by VforVendetta (please come back ;) )

http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1654

on BadPhorm

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hope you got the other ways in covered can`t let em sneak in without a programme been hand to em on the way in :) <joke>
good luck guys..

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I am coming,

Got my laptop + 3g modem (of sorts)
100 Flyer's (can print more as i work close by, if needed)
A 3CCD MMC Digital Video Camera
A Good DSLR with a few gigs cards
Myself (i will be there at 10am)

I will upload some pics from my PPC on the fly, prob to my website. not too great quality but good enough...

Cant wait really!!!

JTech

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alex you got the final list of high profile speakers

i am putting a notice together a comment on iii about the demo and want to highlight the speakers

peter

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Well the list is just the three of us now unfortunately. Earl of Northesk was trying to clear his schedule to attend but has been unable to and apologises to everyone for not being able to make it.

That said, I am looking forward to hearing what Baroness Miller and Jason have to say on the issue and the offer still stands for anyone else to have their say on the microphone, so I expect a few of you to take me up on that offer ;)

Alexander Hanff

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Just to encourage - more bad news for DPI advocates and for Phorm/NebuAd- looks like the heat is being turned up in the USA another notch by Congress.

http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1654

I like the list of questions they are asking Embarq. Just the ones we can't get BT to answer. MP's please note!!! These Congressmen are doing good. We need to be similarly well served by OUR elected representatives. Time we had a BT executive or two sitting in front of a Commons select committee and getting grilled.

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Well done - you just beat me to it on iii with the news from Congress about Embarq.

I've copied the "questions" they asked Embarq to the BT Beta thread and substituted BT Retail for Embarq and provided my understanding of how BT might answer. Of course if they would answer for themselves we'd all know a bit more!

Oh for MP's like those Congressmen?! With a bit of bite.

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Sorry Rob but scouse beat you by an hour and a half;);) #11782
Having said that its as if they lifted the questions from the original BT Q&A thread but as you say where is our representation and such a short time if that were here you would smell the fear:D

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All my best wishes to all attending in London today :)

On the subject of VM... If anyone does get answers from them about Phorm I'll be interested cos I'm sitting on a BT MAC code ready to move isp to a none phorming one!

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best of luck you guys and girls at the demo, hope plenty turn up and some embarrasing questions get asked in the agm

shame i am in brum today, would have loved to be there

peter

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Good luck today everyone, I so wanted to come down for the protest but the surgery last Monday put the stop on that.

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As the BT AGM goes ahead, in the midst of all the controversy about Phorm and Webwise, I took a look at the corporate BTplc website for a peek their values statement.
http://www.btplc.com/Thegroup/Compan.../Ourvalues.htm
I publish it here without comment (although I have added comments on the BT Beta forums webwise thread)

Our vision, strategy & values

Our vision

Our vision is to be dedicated to helping customers thrive in a changing world. The world we live in and the way we communicate are changing, and we believe in progress, growth and possibility. We want to help all our customers make their lives and businesses better with products and services that are tailored to their needs and easy to use.

This means getting ever closer to customers, understanding their lifestyles and their businesses, and establishing long-term relationships with them.

We're passionate about customers and are working to meet the needs they have today and innovating to meet the needs they will have tomorrow.
Our strategy

We build long-term partnerships with our customers. With their support, we can maximise the potential of our traditional business, through a combination of enhanced quality of service, creative marketing, innovative pricing and cost efficiency. At the same time, we'll pursue profitable growth by migrating our customers to new wave products and services, such as ICT (information communications technology), broadband, mobility and managed services.
Our values

Our corporate identity defines the kind of company we are now and the one we need to be in the future.

Central to that identity is a commitment to create ways to help customers thrive in a changing world. To do this we must live our brand values:

• Trustworthy - we do what we say we will
• Helpful - we work as one team
• Inspiring - we create new possibilities
• Straightforward - we make things clear
• Heart - we believe in what we do

We are committed to contributing positively to society and to a sustainable future. This is part of the heart of BT.

If you feel you have received excellent service from someone in BT and that they have exemplified the BT values, why not tell us about it so that we can ensure outstanding performance becomes business as usual.

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Good luck all, shake a protest sign once for me.
I will be checking in regularly on the badphorm and nodpi sites to check for updates and if any one has any requests during the day I will do my best to help out.
Look forward to any media coverage that happens.

Maiott

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Where is everyone??

Come down and help!

We are here giving out loads of flyer's but we need more people!!

Jtech

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after lunch more be there and don`t forget there is a big strike going on the council workers.
any chance of a web cam?

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Hello,
I'm a reporter for the Register.co.uk - was hoping to get down to the protest but am stuck in the office.
Any chance Alex or someone else at the protest could give me a call and let me know what's going on?
i'm on [Moderator Edit]
cheers
john oates



[Moderator Edit (Rob M): Incorrect number removed, see post #11798 below]

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added an image,

will add more soon

Jtech

http://www.btweblies.com/index.php

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Sorry, can't even type my own phone number correctly.
It should be 0203 178 6501
cheers
john

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john - will let him know

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I just posted an update on my site with regards a letter I received from the EU regards Phorm and my complaint about it issued in June.