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We should copy him, delclare both days as holidays and celebrate our wins. :)

(and get rid of the May 1st holiday)

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36195900)

Russia suffered more casualties than the yanks.

Had they not joined in, we still would have wo,n but it would have taken considerably longer and suffered more casualties ourselves.

Always fun pointing this out to yanks on social media.

I think not but if it makes you feel better :angel:

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36195900)

You can’t retro war game WWII.

There’s no telling what would have happened if you remove any part. There’s certainly no guarantee that we would have won without the US.

When the US did join, the war was effectively won, it was then just a matter of time.

Without the US, and that would mean no Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, leaving the Japs to reign in the Pacific theatre, the outcome would have almost certainly been not total victory in either theatre.

The world would look very different today

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36195908)

There’s no telling what would have happened if you remove any part. There’s certainly no guarantee that we would have won without the US.

When the US did join, the war was effectively won, it was then just a matter of time.

Without the US, and that would mean no Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, leaving the Japs to reign in the Pacific theatre, the outcome would have almost certainly been not total victory in either theatre.

The world would look very different today

Assuming we still had lend-lease then the Western front was, as you say, almost certainly won already. I guess the question is, would we still be able to pull off D-Day, and when? How fast could we have crossed Europe?

It would probably have taken a lot longer, had a lot more deaths, and more of Europe would have been under Soviet control. I might be wrong, but I believe one of the big motivations for America was to race to Berlin as the writing was on the wall as to what post-war Europe was going to look like.

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36195869)

Do you also object to the sentiment :confused:

Of course, I'm not being given a history lesson by someone who disrespects genuine war heroes and equates his grab 'em by the pussy response as the bravest thing a General had ever seen and that's not even considering his disputed suckers and losers comment when he didn't want to get, whatever that thing on his head is wet besides which I'm sure his handlers will have something to say about the 10+ million of their countrymens sacrifice

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Trump is an embarrassment compared to all former US Presidents.

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From today’s Telegraph

https://archive.ph/xHuo3

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Britain’s tariff burden worse than EU

Britain faces a higher rate of US tariff than the European Union despite Donald Trump’s hatred of Brussels, new analysis shows.

The UK’s effective tariff rate – the average charged on British goods exported to the US – is 11.6pc, compared with 9.5pc for the EU, according to Capital Economics.

British imports also face a higher average rate than Mexico, Canada, India, Thailand and Vietnam.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1746605884

The figures reflect the mix of products being exported to the US. Despite the UK facing just the minimum 10pc tariff introduced by Mr Trump, compared with 20pc for the EU, many British exports are subject to extra sector-specific levies.

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That’s interesting, but seems like only half an analysis to me.

On the one hand, the headline tariffs give a decent indication of Trump’s intent. On that reading, he doesn’t like Brussels at all, but sort-of likes the UK because of his Scottish granny.

On the other hand, the effective tariffs presented here don’t really give the full picture with regard to the actual effect on the UK economy because, while they weight for the amount of tariffed goods traded, they don’t seem to account for how sensitive to tariffs those goods are. Items that are easily replaceable by domestically produced alternatives within the US ought to be weighted more than those which can’t be. Scotch whisky, for example - while there is (allegedly) an American alternative, the alternative isn’t Scotch whisky. If that’s what you want, and plenty of people do, that’s what you have to buy.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36196191)

From today’s Telegraph

https://archive.ph/xHuo3

Lies Damn lies and statistics :dunce:

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36196200)

Lies Damn lies and statistics :dunce:

Drat those pesky facts and statistics…

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/06/p...carney-imports

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Fact check: Trump claimed the US doesn’t do ‘much business with Canada.’ Canada is the world’s top buyer of US exports

During his Tuesday meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, President Donald Trump falsely minimized the importance of the US trade relationship with Canada.

“We don’t do much business with Canada from our standpoint. They do a lot of business with us. We’re at like 4%,” Trump said.

That “4%” figure is wrong. Official US data shows that Canada bought about 17% of US goods exports in February and March, the last month for which data is available – more than any other country. Canada bought about 16% of US goods exports in January, second only to Mexico.

Trump’s “we don’t do much business with Canada from our standpoint” claim is too subjective to render a definitive fact-check verdict, but Carney’s remark that “we are the largest client of the United States” is confirmed by the US government itself. Official US data shows that Canada bought about $440 billion worth of US goods and services in 2024, more than any other country, and the Office of the US Trade Representative notes on its website that “in 2024, Canada was the top destination for U.S. exports” as well as “the third-largest source of U.S. imports.”

Trump also repeated his frequent claim that the US is “subsidizing Canada to the tune of maybe $200 billion per year.” Trump has previously made clear that he is speaking about the US trade deficit with Canada, but that is not even close to $200 billion. Official US statistics show the 2024 deficit with Canada in goods and services trade was about $36 billion.

Even if you only count trade in goods and ignore the services trade at which the US excels, the deficit was about $71 billion. And even if he was this time using the word “subsidizing” to describe unspecified other things in addition to the trade deficit, there is no basis for the claim.

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I’ve never hidden my complete distrust and dislike of the man (or as some call it, “Trump derangement syndrome” which I actually love the sound of :D ) but I can’t shake the overwhelming feeling that this new trade “deal” will massively favour the yanks than ourselves, most likely behind the scenes.

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The "deal" will last until he changes his mind again, or somebody says something he doesn’t like, or until Stephen Miller/Musk/Dan Scavino/Peter Navarro tells him the U.K. is ripping him off…

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Maybe Starmer's lot have done the UK a good turn. We'll see, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

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The sheet confirmed that the 10% tariff Trump levied on the UK last month will remain in effect.

The deal appears to center predominantly around cars, the US’ sixth-top export to the UK and the UK’s top export to the US, according to data from the Commerce Department.

“Under the deal, the first 100,000 vehicles imported into the US by UK car manufacturers each year are subject to the reciprocal rate of 10% and any additional vehicles each year are subject to 25% rates,” the fact sheet states. That’s a change from the 25% tariff in place for foreign cars shipped to the US.
Wow

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Knowing trump, probably all part of his plan. Go high then reduce it. Makes it look like you're getting a good deal and he'll end up being the good guy all for it.