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:tu: This woman agrees.

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Totally agree - but measures have to be in place to minimise/mitigate unconscious bias (as I’m sure you know, being ex-HR).

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That's how the Conservative Party works and I've not seen you criticising it there.https://framexec.com/on-politics-and...gotten-legacy/

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Those measures must relate to the prevention of discrimination, not treating those people as if they were the master race, giving them preference above everyone else. That is what causes resentment.

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I don’t recall anyone on this forum creating a list of all the things they would criticise.

For the record, I believe ability should be recognised and optimised. and unlawful discrimination should always be called out.

I do not believe in positive discrimination but I believe everyone should be given equal opportunities in line with their capabilities and experience.

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Fair enough, I should have said that the Bill will not go ahead in its present form. Clearly, we still need to deal with the other issues it covers such as child porn.

Note that Truss is concerned with the freedom of speech, as we are.

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Speaking of unconcious bias... :erm:

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Well I knew what he meant, and I'm sure everyone else too, as you can't help yourself it's that kind of nit picking that is the causes of all this.

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Unless you go to your local dungeon and pay Mistress Diabolic for it.

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:shocked:Well you would know :)

In fact thinking about it under the new regulation someone might find my post offensive on your behalf and report me to the offense overloads :p:

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Unconscious bias is another white elephant.

I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but bias exists across all race, sex, age, class, looks. Etc you name it.

To look at it at a base level, if you were male and recruiting for a position and two equally qualified women applied. One looked like Beyoncé and one was a fat ginger girl from Rotherham I’m pretty sure I know which way your unconscious bias would lean. You could swap old ginger, for bald, short fat bloke = same result.

It isn’t just black people and woman that are victims, everyone is and I would argue older people are the most.

Everybody has bias, that’s just the way it is.

Positive discrimination, quotas, etc is just discrimination and it always seems to go just one way.

We recently just had Women in Engineering day. A big fan fair to get more women in engineering as they are under-represented. No problem with that. But firms like VM are pursuing 50/50 representation in their engineering base. Which is unrealistic and not good for the business as they’re not getting the best engineers.

But where is the men in nursing day, men in primary teaching day, men in caring day?

We should do more to encourage everyone to pursue the paths they want, but do you think the reason there aren’t many women engineers is because they don’t want to do it?

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Don’t be ridiculous, Hugh.Is there nothing you won’t argue about?

‘Those people ‘ were those that were mentioned. Obviously.

This kind of pedantry is what many of us are concerned about with this legislation. Disrupters will be able to pick up and complain about anything.

Thanks for making the point for me, though. :D

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Psychologists urge the Government to make class a protected characteristic under the Equality Act:

https://www.newstatesman.com/society...bery-be-banned

If successful, terms such as Toff, Chav etc would no longer be permitted.

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Oh just f…. Off.

I am tempted just to leave it at that…..actually, I will.

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Right, the world is perfect, we all get along, sitting by the lake, in the warm sunshine, singing Kum-ba-ya every evening. I'm sure you live in your own little fantasy world.

You dont seem to know what to believe, since you contradict yourself here.
Prioritising "underrepresented groups" (whatever that means) is the opposite of merit, its called bias.

The rationale is complete nonsense.
Creating resentment and disharmony is not going to lead to "a fairer society in the longer term", it will lead to trouble (and already does).

Thats nothing more than guesswork (and as stated, theory) you could just equally state that (in theory) if women stayed at home, and did everything they were told, there would be a decrease in abuse. (You may not agree with it, but you cannot prove or disprove it any more than the previous theory).


It just goes to show, the lunatics are still trying to run the asylum - I suppose it wins stupid idea of the week.

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My God, it gets worse. How many ‘protected characteristics’ do you want? This is the work of the madhouse.

Just give everyone the same right. To be treated fairly and with respect. Nothing more needed.

I am tempted to say that many vulnerable people will get very confused by having too many special characteristics. Some not so vulnerable people will be confused also.

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I think that what she's saying is that if, say, two candidates are shortlisted for a job in a tech firm are of equal merit, consideration of merit can then be taken out of the equation.

If one candidate is male and one is female, especially if they are a person of colour or are a lesbian, then they should be picked if these groups are underepresented in the company, as their input/influence should lead to tech firms taking a different approach/attitude towards treatment of the aforementioned minority groups to improve the treatment and consideration of them by the company.