Cable Forum - U.S President: Donald Trump

Being honest i think he's out of his depth and he's starting to realise it, it's one thing to talk about changing this that and the other it's a totally different thing when you have to try and fight the established system in washington that i think trump clearly underestimated. The saddest part of this is that it was a great chance to fundamentally alter US politics and return the government more to the people that may well be lost because it was trump that rode that wave of dissatisfaction. If he goes too quick it will be looked at as a blip rather then the desperate wish for change that many americans based their vote on, he has to stick it out and keep trying to affect change because if he just quits americans will never forgive him.

Good analysis. I wonder if his businesses will suffer from his presidency?

Mick	12-07-2017 10:36

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35907447)

Trump has so far deflected all scandals thrown his way. If he can maintain GOP support, he ain't going anywhere.

It will be the Mid Terms that will depend on his future. A strong Democrat majority in Congress, after mid terms, will see Trump ousted.

Republicans want to get on with the business of changing laws and setting new ones, they own both chambers of Congress and they own the White House, they would still own it if Trump is removed, with Mike Pence sworn in as the 46th President, if any indictments get levied, Pence may Pardon Trump people.

A sitting President cannot be indicted, they have to be removed, impeached and that is a political process, not a common law court case process. The Senate requires a two thirds vote majority to remove a President from office.

If President Trump starts losing GOP backing, he'll be on dodgy ground. But the Republican Senators have to be careful too, because if they vote to remove a democratically elected President, the public may revolt, Trump still has a very strong support base, so Republicans may lose ground and Democrats regain control in both chambers of Congress. Republicans have won all 5 Congressional Seats that have gone up for grabs since Trumps inauguration. The last Seat in Georgia saw the Democrats throw millions of dollars, record amounts to try grab the Seat but they failed after having spent a fortune trying to win it.

papa smurf

12-07-2017 10:48

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i wonder if the citizens of the USA are trying this hard to find dirt on and get rid of our PM :shrug:

Kursk

12-07-2017 10:51

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The American people voted for the change that President Trump offered. If the established system won't embrace that change there will be repercussions. Same applies here in relation to Brexit.

It is wholly wrong to attempt to subvert the will of the people.

Damien

12-07-2017 11:06

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35907459)

It will be the Mid Terms that will depend on his future. A strong Democrat majority in Congress, after mid terms, will see Trump ousted.

They might not. It would be two years from the General Election and they might prefer to keep him in place, run against him and even hope the Republicans tear themselves part deciding if he should have an uncontested primary (assuming he would want to run again - big assumption).

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35907460)

i wonder if the citizens of the USA are trying this hard to find dirt on and get rid of our PM :shrug:

No but the dirt here is being uncovered by Americans. We're pretty ruthless to our politicians and if our press could find something on May they would.

papa smurf

12-07-2017 11:06

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35907461)

i find it disturbing how many people here want to interfere in American politics it's bad enough what they are trying to do to our own .

Damien

12-07-2017 11:07

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35907461)

Trump and the Republicans are in the majority in all three branches of government. They have the power to do an awful lot now but as they're finding out with healthcare it's not that easy.

Kursk

12-07-2017 13:47

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35907465)

i find it disturbing how many people here want to interfere in American politics it's bad enough what they are trying to do to our own .

I agree. The decision of the American people should be respected and as their closest ally we should respect their elected President.

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Trump and the Republicans are in the majority in all three branches of government. They have the power to do an awful lot now but as they're finding out with healthcare it's not that easy.

Then it is good that they are being measured in what they do.

nomadking

12-07-2017 13:52

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907307)

There are two hacks. The hacking of the DNC and the hacking of Clinton's campaign manager. Most of the issues here focus on the former and I believe those servers were handed over - but could be wrong - they haven't been in the latter case but that's because it was a gmail account.

It wasn't just those 2 there were ATTEMPTED to be hacked. They are just the 2 that were successful. It still depended on what was found.

Hugh	12-07-2017 14:08

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35907496)

It wasn't just those 2 there were ATTEMPTED to be hacked. They are just the 2 that were successful. It still depended on what was found.

The RNC was hacked as well, just not released.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN14U2DD

passingbat

12-07-2017 15:15

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907307)

There are two hacks. The hacking of the DNC and the hacking of Clinton's campaign manager. Most of the issues here focus on the former and I believe those servers were handed over - but could be wrong - they haven't been in the latter case but that's because it was a gmail account.

The DNC refused to let the FBI examine their servers. Whether the DNC have handed them over now, I don't know; I've been out of the loop for a few weeks.

From an admittedly Trump supporting network:

Hannity Exclusive 7/11/17: Interview Donald Trump Jr ABOUT MEETING W/ RUSSIAN LAWYER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48o79L2XGYc

Hugh	12-07-2017 16:09

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35907520)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ess-dnc-serve/

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In his testimony in January on the cyber attacks, then-director of the FBI James Comey said the agency never got access to the machines themselves, but obtained access to the forensics from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm.

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this my folks tell me was an appropriate substitute," Comey said.

"The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers," Watson said. She added that the copy contains the same information as the physical server.

The FBI joined CrowdStrike’s efforts to boot Russia from the server, but then-Homeland Security Department secretary Jeh Johnson complained the DNC rebuffed their offer to help. This was because Russia was already out of their system by then.

passingbat

12-07-2017 19:31

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35907532)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ess-dnc-serve/

So, why didn't the DNC give the FBI access to the actual machine? Did they have something to hide, such as screwing over Bernie Sanders? Makes you wonder.

1andrew1

12-07-2017 20:04

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35907465)

i find it disturbing how many people here want to interfere in American politics it's bad enough what they are trying to do to our own .

I quite agree. And what's the weather like in Moscow these days? ;)

papa smurf

12-07-2017 20:09

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907572)