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No reason why we can't boot them out now .We deport plenty of criminals back to their original country but stopping them returning has always been an issue simply because they are EU citizens and can move freely around the EU

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Agreed. Europe would intervene tomorrow if we went against EU legislation.

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and do what ,threaten to kick us out .

To be clear we have always deported criminals back to EU countries but we cannot stop them returning after they serve their time while we are still in the EU .Now we can and there is no reason why we shouldn't give new guide lines to the courts immediately

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I don't know if it's a case of:
1) You tell people different messages according to what they want to hear and hope no one compares your messages.
2) You realise that being outside the European single market is seen by the markets as a poor idea...so you apply a swift handbrake turn.
3) You realise that being outside the European single market is seen by the markets as a poor idea...so you pretend to Sky News that you don't want to leave the single market knowing that a week is a long time in politics let alone 2.5 months!

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We certainly don't want to annoy EU member states if we want them to agree our Brexit conditions and future trade terms.

That's incorrect. Since David Cameron's negotiations we can prevent anyone who's a threat from a threat from returning and I link to an independent fact-checking website to show this.
I don't know what the agreement states for not complying with EU legislation. Presumably there's a sliding scale starting with fines. and ending with expulsion. David Cameron's deal made it far easier to deport EU criminals and to prevent anyone who was a threat from returning to the UK. .https://fullfact.org/europe/explaini...eu-immigrants/

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That's a UKIP myth, see above post.

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David Camerons negotiations mean didley squat.He only negotiated them early this year and besides that we voted to leave so now his supposed better deal is meaningless

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What is ?

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We're still in the EU till March 2019 so it's only common sense that we implement them which is what we're doing.
The myth that we can't prevent EU criminals from returning to the UK. Per the independent fact-checking website I linked to https://fullfact.org/immigration/imm...ecific-groups/

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It's not common sense at all it's ridiculous to keep implementing rules we are going to ditch .Think of how many of our criminals we can jail if we kick out the thousands of foreign criminals we jail.

If we couldn't prevent EU criminals from returning to the UK why did Cameron make such a big play of trying to get the ability to prevent EU criminals entering the UK . To be clear ,EU citizens have the right to live and work in any EU member state ,full stop ,it's the very basis of the single market and the European Union.Camerons supposed negotiations giving us all these changes to our membership was all hot air and so full of holes as to sink at the first test ,that's why we voted out

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I'm confused. If we implement Cameron's agreement then we can repatriate these EU criminals. If we don't, we can't. And as I explained earlier, we need to keep the EU member states on board if we're to get a good settlement with them and trade deals afterwards. It's called diplomacy or common sense.

If you can grab a couple of minutes to read that fact-checking website you should find it useful. It concludes "These changes don’t deliver on the Prime Minister’s previous proposals for “tougher and longer” re-entry bans for foreign rough sleepers, beggars and fraudsters. But they do qualify as “stronger powers to deport criminals and stop them coming back”.
I'm afraid that fact-checking websites are rather dry and less of an interesting read than UKIP tabloids like the Daily Express. But their findings are accurate and that's what's important...whatever your opinion of EU membership.

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Britain slips down to become the sixth-largest economy in the World.
https://www.ft.com/content/7508bf1e-...7-e7ada1d123b1

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More people didn't vote for it than did in other words

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We aren't a Donald Trump business, there are consequences to unilaterally breaking treaties that go well beyond our relationship with the EU.

Until we leave our businesses and people continue to have the same privileges while we have the same responsibilities. Really not worth threatening our economy for the sake of something so minor. We start leaving diplomacy behind we basically force the EU to retaliate and everyone loses even more. A bad exit deal will cost many jobs and tens of billions to the economy.

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FFS..... your right you are confused

Camerons agreement doesn't mean a thing ,we have voted to leave so all of his supposed deals are useless and meaningless,the choice we had was to vote to leave or remain with a renegotiated deal with the EU we chose the former because the latter didn't happen and apart from that even if we had voted to stay he ONLY NEGOTIATED IT THIS YEAR so that means for years previously we have had trouble deporting criminals and powerless to prevent them entering the UK.The biggest criticism Cameron got after his return from the negotiating table was that his deal was ineffective and meaningless ,that is one reason why we voted to leave

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Put Cameron deal to one side

We already have the power to deport criminals regardless of nationality

As we are not part of schengen, we have control to restrict who comes in if we feel the need to on good reasons such as strong criminal record, we show a passport leaving/entry

That is available today regardless of leaving EU, and despite what others have said

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None of which has anything to do with kicking criminals out of the country.We get to dictate our terms now not Brussels

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I know ,i said that earlier ,we have always deported criminals back to EU countries it's stopping them getting into the UK that's the problem because we cannot stop EU citizens entering the UK and those good reasons you speak of are so complicated and heavily conditioned as to be pointless.Even the 'special deal' Cameron negotiated was riddled with conditions and caveats

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A useful analysis here regarding the exchange rate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-fall-further/

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As I and others have tried our very best to explain - the UK can't suddenly decide to stop complying with EU legislation. So, nothing to be lost putting into effect the concessions that Cameron won.

Agree with you except that we have not been totally powerless to prevent them re-entering the UK. Our powers in this area have been strengthened by Cameron's negotiations as the Factchecking article showed, which incidentally is worth a read when you get a chance.

Agreed, that was the biggest criticism he got. It wasn't valid criticism but Cameron failed in presentation by showing his hand first, a mistake Theresa May is keen not to make.