Cable Forum - U.S Election 2016

The order bans the “entry” of foreigners from those countries and specifically exempts from the ban those who hold certain diplomatic visas.

Not included in the exemption, however, are those who hold long-term temporary visas — such as students or employees — who have the right to live in the United States for years at a time, as well as to travel abroad and back as they please.

“If applied literally, this provision would bar even those visitors who had made temporary trips abroad, for example a student who went home on winter break and is now returning,” Legomsky said on Friday evening executive order.

A director nominated for an Oscar will now be banned from entering because they're from Iran: https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/82...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Google are worried too: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e_AnSLx6mXwDV3

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The order also sparked concern in the business world.

Google recalled all travelling staff members to the United States following the order and told the BBC it is concerned about the possible restrictions preventing it from recruiting top talent abroad.

martyh

28-01-2017 15:34

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35882675)

Trump's ban on people from a collection of middle-eastern countries is so broad in language that legal residents returning from abroad are being blocked too: https://www.propublica.org/article/t...ing-to-america

A director nominated for an Oscar will now be banned from entering because they're from Iran: https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/82...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Google are worried too: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e_AnSLx6mXwDV3

ah but lets not forget that the terrorists of the world will all be thwarted now because the yanks won't give them a visa

RizzyKing

28-01-2017 16:15

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I think Trump needs to realise and quickly too that the position of president cannot be executed in the same way as a C.E.O and Trump clearly doesn't understand that yet he's barking orders in the same old way but unlike before it's not his company and the consequences have wider implications.

1andrew1

28-01-2017 16:30

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35882708)

Spot on.

nidave

28-01-2017 18:25

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35882708)

Isnt that what a executive order is, it can override pretty much anything else. Much like a CEO can make unilateral decisions.

Reading Wiki about it however gives me this

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executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution

Damien

28-01-2017 18:42

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Homeland Security has confirmed that US Green Card holders are included in this ban. These are citizens who are legally there, and documented, and are considered residents. They're now banned from coming home if they arrive back in the country from abroad and are originally from one of the banned countries.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/us..._medium=Social

This has to be illegal and will probably be stopped but Jesus.

Osem	28-01-2017 19:02

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Ah well it'll take the focus off Brexit... :D

denphone

28-01-2017 19:10

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35882698)

ah but lets not forget that the terrorists of the world will all be thwarted now because the yanks won't give them a visa

A delusion if ever l saw one.

papa smurf

28-01-2017 19:13

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35882739)

Ah well it'll take the focus off Brexit... :D

he definitely has border control well in hand .

Damien

28-01-2017 19:36

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The Republicans seem to be pretty unhappy too and are working to change it. There are people who can't go home, they live in the United States, their homes are there, their families are there. People who return home from business trips are turned away and there is nowhere else for them to go. You can live on a green card so long that it is your life now. We're not talking about tourists, or temporary visas, these are permanent residents.

martyh

28-01-2017 19:44

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This ridiculous action won't stop one single terrorist action towards the USA ,if anything it will make things worse ,it's as bad a decision as his wall

Damien

28-01-2017 19:46

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35882756)

This ridiculous action won't stop one single terrorist action towards the USA ,if anything it will make things worse ,it's as bad a decision as his wall

I can't see this lasting until tomorrow. They'll likely tell them to let green card holders in before a legal challenge, the legal challenge will be one, or worst case scenario congress can overturn the action. There is no way this will hold for 90 days, Trump might as well given in and save the headache.

martyh

28-01-2017 19:52

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35882757)

Agree, the other thing to consider is that all the terrorist actions on American soil have been done by American citizens not by refugees or jihadists pretending to be refugees.

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All the lethal acts of jihadist terrorism in the States since 9/11 have been carried out by American citizens or legal residents, and none of them have been the work of Syrian refugees.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/op...gen/index.html

Damien

28-01-2017 20:14

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It also applies to citizen with a joint nationality. So British citizens, if born in Iraq or Syria for example, are banned. Again even if they have a green card: http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-vi...28654?mod=e2tw

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